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Didn't the WWI nostalgia fest get worse after Harry Patch died? Jeremy Corbyn posted:Today we remember the fallen in all wars, both servicemen and women and civilians. On the 70th anniversary of the end of the Second World War, we honour in particular those who gave their lives to defeat fascism. In their memory, and that of all who have suffered or lost their lives in war, let us resolve to build a world of peace.
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Kegluneq posted:Didn't the WWI nostalgia fest get worse after Harry Patch died? Then again "For their tomorrow, we gave our today." always seemed to get applied retroactively to WWI even before then, as if refusing to enter WWI would have meant we'd be speaking German now or something, when the epitaph was actually about protecting British India from Japan in 1944.
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Nov 8, 2015 14:03
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thespaceinvader posted:Well, that's hideous. E: what happens if they refuse; does the loss of the Royal charter actually mean that much when they ARE their major professional orgs? It actually is a big deal, the Royal Charter is what gives them the right to award degrees. Lose that and they are effectively no longer a college. Possibly they could still teach but someone else would have to award the degree - a few universities have this arrangement where you are taught at the Remote College of Rural Learning and then your degree is awarded by Nearest Major Town University. But it'd be a big loss of independence and prestige, not to mention probably fees.
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Nov 8, 2015 14:03
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What if they all got together and wrote a response to the effect of "this attempt to limit the long held tradition of academia as a free press is appalling, and if it is not taken back and apologized for in full then we will all withdraw from the royal charter system and start our own"?
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Nov 8, 2015 14:09
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TinTower posted:Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori. big scary monsters posted:It actually is a big deal, the Royal Charter is what gives them the right to award degrees. Lose that and they are effectively no longer a college. Possibly they could still teach but someone else would have to award the degree - a few universities have this arrangement where you are taught at the Remote College of Rural Learning and then your degree is awarded by Nearest Major Town University. But it'd be a big loss of independence and prestige, not to mention probably fees. Either way, I'm not sure that removing their charters is actually a credible threat - if it effectively does nothing, then who cares. If it removes their ability to grant professional training to their members, then hey, guess what, by loving with them the Government has effectively removed the UK's ability to train new doctors, nice loving job.
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Guavanaut posted:What if they all got together and wrote a response to the effect of "this attempt to limit the long held tradition of academia as a free press is appalling, and if it is not taken back and apologized for in full then we will all withdraw from the royal charter system and start our own"? That would be nice, but I don't see a way out of the gradual erosion of academic freedoms by the state. Other than full you-know-what you-know-when.
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Nov 8, 2015 14:11
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big scary monsters posted:It actually is a big deal, the Royal Charter is what gives them the right to award degrees. Lose that and they are effectively no longer a college. Possibly they could still teach but someone else would have to award the degree - a few universities have this arrangement where you are taught at the Remote College of Rural Learning and then your degree is awarded by Nearest Major Town University. But it'd be a big loss of independence and prestige, not to mention probably fees. thespaceinvader posted:It's terrifying how many people forget the rest of this poem. It means nothing, it's a prestige thing and little more. The College of Emergency Medicine has been running the postgraduate exams for A&E doctors for years and is the body that awards the certificate required to be an A&E consultant. They only got a royal charter in January this year despite having been around and functioning since 2006. There's equivalent bodies for other specialities such as acute medicine and intensive care that don't have royal charters but their members will also be members or the RCP or RCA, so that's a slightly different thing.
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Apologies, I clearly did not correctly understand how medical colleges work.
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The only thing I think could happen would be the suffix letters you get after passing a membership exam (MRCP, MRCS etc) might no longer exist? Presumably the government has to have some sort of involvement to legally enforce those. So basically prestige and nothing more. Possibly some taxation benefit stuff too. Kudos to Jeremy though, he's galvanised doctors in a way I didn't think was possible.
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Nov 8, 2015 15:42
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Jippa posted:Do you guys know who sean gabb is? He is from the "libertarian alliance" and he is a massive goon. I heard him interviewed on iain lee's bbc radio show.  Yup.
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Nov 8, 2015 16:04
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winegums posted:The only thing I think could happen would be the suffix letters you get after passing a membership exam (MRCP, MRCS etc) might no longer exist? Presumably the government has to have some sort of involvement to legally enforce those. You'd have to remove the R, but I assume the rest of the letters wouldn't change. (Also, they're usually Fs not Ms I think) And yeah, it's impressively bad when you can galvanise one of the least likely groups of all to strike, to strike.
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Nov 8, 2015 16:07
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You don't think forcing the public to think about whether they like doctors or Jeremy Hunt more was a winning strategic move?
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thespaceinvader posted:It's terrifying how many people forget the rest of this poem. Reminder that if David Cameron managed to accidentally sell the entire country into literal slavery in Germany, he'd get out of it by saying "Labour is a threat to our national security, economic security and your family's security" and this would be reported in the press as CAMERON BLASTS LOONY CORBYN OVER EU CONCESSIONS.
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Nov 8, 2015 16:13
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thespaceinvader posted:You'd have to remove the R, but I assume the rest of the letters wouldn't change. Can be a fellow or a member of a college. Regardless don't suffixes need to be awarded by recognised bodies? Is this Hunt's way of saying the government won't recognise the colleges? i.e. to get BSc, MA etc you need to attend a recognised university. As kim said though it's a fairly toothless threat unless their long-term goal is to make doctor a non-profession by making titles and membership of professional bodies meaningless.
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Nov 8, 2015 16:22
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The RCP and RCGP are denying they were threatened so it's little more than a rumour. Don't know what the RCS have said but they're enormous shits who broke ranks and supported Lansley's NHS reforms, as well as constantly trying to get the EWTD revoked for doctors so gently caress them.
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Nov 8, 2015 16:26
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El Scotch posted:
That's Iain Lee.
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Nov 8, 2015 16:37
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Where do the RCMP stand on all of this?
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Guavanaut posted:Where do the RCMP stand on all of this? On top of horses
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Nov 8, 2015 16:47
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I know by now I should know better, but got to love the sheer affrontery of Blair showing up at the Cenotaph for remberance ceremony for the war dead.
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Nov 8, 2015 16:53
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Soundtrack is edited in, video remains the original release. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB9wkB-G5CI
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Nov 8, 2015 16:57
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Trickjaw posted:I know by now I should know better, but got to love the sheer affrontery of Blair showing up at the Cenotaph for remberance ceremony for the war dead. But he remembers them all time. Every night, as soon as he shuts his eyes. (I hope)
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Coohoolin posted:Soundtrack is edited in, video remains the original release. You could have warned me it was a Man from Bath video so I could have not clicked it. Saved me 2 seconds.
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Nov 8, 2015 16:58
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forkboy84 posted:You could have warned me it was a Man from Bath video so I could have not clicked it. Saved me 2 seconds. I can't find the original Scottish Labour broadcast except this one where he's added a soundtrack to it. It's quite a spectacular piece of pr.
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The RCS have been unforgivably tight lipped during the current debacle. Is the EWTD exemption not something supported by their trainee membership though?
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Coohoolin posted:I can't find the original Scottish Labour broadcast except this one where he's added a soundtrack to it. It's quite a spectacular piece of pr. I got as far as "we stand for people who want to get on in life" before mentally checking out.
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Nov 8, 2015 17:08
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Renaissance Robot posted:I got as far as "we stand for people who want to get on in life" before mentally checking out. Aw, you missed the spelling mistakes!
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Nov 8, 2015 17:12
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Support-o...QEAAOSw4iRWEsbA Corbyn is too good for this shitheep of a country.
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Nov 8, 2015 17:37
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Gonzo McFee posted:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Support-o...QEAAOSw4iRWEsbA Even in the worst of times, someone makes a profit.
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Gonzo McFee posted:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Support-o...QEAAOSw4iRWEsbA People who think like that either don't vote or vote UKIP or BNP. They're useless lumpen and would never vote Labour anyway.
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Nov 8, 2015 17:49
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Jeremy Corbyn upsets the worst type of person and it rules.
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I thought his speech was very appropriate for the day and it's funny that he gets remembrance day much better than any of his detractors.
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OwlFancier posted:I thought his speech was very appropriate for the day and it's funny that he gets remembrance day much better than any of his detractors. Yes. The card on the wreath was measured, respectful and hopeful. But you'll likely not see anything mentioned about it.
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Nov 8, 2015 17:58
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OwlFancier posted:I thought his speech was very appropriate for the day and it's funny that he gets remembrance day much better than any of his detractors. BUT HE DIDN'T BOW ENOUGH!
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Trickjaw posted:Yes. The card on the wreath was measured, respectful and hopeful. But you'll likely not see anything mentioned about it. LOONY LABOUR CORBYN BLASTS OUR WAR DEAD AND KOWTOWS TO JAPS BY NOT KOWTOWING
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Trickjaw posted:I know by now I should know better, but got to love the sheer affrontery of Blair showing up at the Cenotaph for remberance ceremony for the war dead. They trotted out the 'our economic security, our national security' line when they don't even talk about Labour at all now. In the Cameron's list if demands to the EU they talk about the relationship being in terms of economic security, national security. I guess not family's security? That's reserved only for the evil Corbyn himself.
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Nov 8, 2015 18:27
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Hopefully the media strategy of being OMG SO OUTRAGED HOW COULD HE DO THIS TO BRITAN whenever Corbyn sneezes is going to just wear people out and backfire on them. Please. 
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Private Speech posted:They trotted out the 'our economic security, our national security' line when they don't even talk about Labour at all now. In the Cameron's list if demands to the EU they talk about the relationship being in terms of economic security, national security. I guess not family's security? That's reserved only for the evil Corbyn himself.
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They talk in the language of authoritarianism because that's what they are. The UK is under threat at all times, and only the vigilance and unwavering resolve of a conservative government will hold it together and protect you, with tough but necessary sacrifices like cutting welfare or rights. Anyone who opposes us in any way is the true enemy Makes sense that they'd hold back the family angle just for Corbyn. Everything's always framed as its subversive opposite - anyone who wants to protect the welfare system is harming poor people. Anyone who wants to avoid reforming the NHS is dooming the NHS. Anyone who wants to protect human rights is aiding people who want to destroy human rights, and so on. The EU doesn't really relate to families much, but Corbyn is an affable grandpa figure who makes jam and talks like a socialist who wants to improve the lot of the average person - so he has to be painted as a danger to YUOR FAMLY so nobody will be comfortable trusting him
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It just occurred to me watching repeat of the ceremony, thank God no party leader with less than six seats can participate. Imagine what big Nige would have made of it.
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