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Timely reminder that everywhere and every time, the popular press has always been bad. pre:Ich bin ein Kohlkopf, kennt Ihr meine Blätter? I am a cabbage head, have you seen my papers?
Ich weiss vor Sorgen zwar nicht aus noch ein, Worry has left me confused and hopeless
doch halt ich still und hoff auf einen Retter. so I stay quiet and hope for a saviour.
Ich will ein schwarz-rot-goldener Kohlkopf sein! I want to be a black, red and golden cabbage head!
Ich will nichts seh'n und höhren, I don't want to see or hear anything,
das Staatsgeschäft nicht stören. or disturb the affairs of state.
Und zieht man mich auch bis auf's Hemde aus Though you take the shirt from my back
dir Rote Presse kommt mir nicht ins Haus. I'll never allow the Red Press in my house.
WER BÜRGERBLÄTTER LIEST WIRD BLIND UND TAUB THOSE WHO READ THE PAPERS OF THE BOURGEOISIE BECOME BLIND AND DEAF
WEG MIT DEN VERDUMMUNGSBANDAGEN! BE RID OF THE BANDAGES OF IGNORANCE!
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Nov 8, 2015 19:07
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Burgerblatter is a wonderful word.
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Nov 8, 2015 19:09
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Dabir posted:http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-eu-referendum-is-just-a-civil-war-between-two-separate-factions-of-the-british-business-class-509 I mean I been loving saying it - the left and the people in general do not have a dog in this specific fight. The fight is between two different sets of gangsters who each want to snatch the lion's share of poor-loving from the other.
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Nov 8, 2015 19:11
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Dabir posted:http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-eu-referendum-is-just-a-civil-war-between-two-separate-factions-of-the-british-business-class-509 Other than the guillotine. OwlFancier posted:Burgerblatter is a wonderful word. 
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Nov 8, 2015 19:15
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I can't remember the alt codes for umlauts and boorgerblehtter doesn't look right.
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Nov 8, 2015 19:16
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Trickjaw posted:It just occurred to me watching repeat of the ceremony, thank God no party leader with less than six seats can participate. Imagine what big Nige would have made of it. pouring a sip on the concrete for my homies
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Nov 8, 2015 19:18
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OwlFancier posted:I can't remember the alt codes for umlauts and boorgerblehtter doesn't look right. On Windows, ü: Alt + 0252, ä: Alt + 0228. Bürgerblatt can also just mean "citizens' newspaper", like just the local press, but I've seen it translated this way too and in context it makes more sense. Also there's probably a more colloquially meaningful translation of Kohlkopf but cabbage head is a funny insult imo.
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Nov 8, 2015 19:19
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I'd just like to add a little more cynicism to Remembrance Sunday, but I need a senior military man to debate it with. Has anybody seen the general?
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Nov 8, 2015 19:23
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baka kaba posted:They talk in the language of authoritarianism because that's what they are. The UK is under threat at all times, and only the vigilance and unwavering resolve of a conservative government will hold it together and protect you, with tough but necessary sacrifices like cutting welfare or rights. Anyone who opposes us in any way is the true enemy This is precisely what I was thinking, there is something oddly fascistic in people closely watching Jeremy Corbyn's every gesture and expression. It strikes me that really all they want to do when they complain about him not singing the national anthem or not bowing correctly is to police his thoughts. You punish someone for symbolic behaviour because you want to crush the thoughts behind that symbolic behaviour. That's a fascist impulse in this case. The Tories may not do that specifically, just vile people in the media, but they don't help by screaming names at him until his complete unacceptability in the eyes of the public sticks, and he's forced to live in the Shetlands due to the sheer opprobrium
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Nov 8, 2015 19:26
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Picking the weekend of the Myanmar elections to to have miliatry figure abuse his position to intrude into civilian politics is some good stuff.
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Nov 8, 2015 19:36
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Oberleutnant posted:I mean I been loving saying it - the left and the people in general do not have a dog in this specific fight. The fight is between two different sets of gangsters who each want to snatch the lion's share of poor-loving from the other. One's way more fun than the other. If we leave Scotland gets another referendum (at least I think that's the idea) and Cameron gets to be the guy that proceeded over the destruction of the Union. And also hosed a pig. I'm down with Scottish independence purely as a force of chaos and destruction.
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Nov 8, 2015 20:07
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Regarde Aduck posted:One's way more fun than the other. If we leave Scotland gets another referendum (at least I think that's the idea) and Cameron gets to be the guy that proceeded over the destruction of the Union. And also hosed a pig. I'm down with Scottish independence purely as a force of chaos and destruction.
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Nov 8, 2015 20:17
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Trickjaw posted:Yes. The card on the wreath was measured, respectful and hopeful. But you'll likely not see anything mentioned about it. Some incandescent shitwizard at the Telegraph posted:The Labour leader's message in his wreath contained an appeal to remember the fallen "in all wars" and was not directed specifically at Britain's war dead.
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Nov 8, 2015 20:30
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Pilchenstein posted:Hah! Just how wrong are you? Corbyn does another Good Thing. One of the most offensive things about Remembrance Day and the main reason I wouldn't wear a red poppy is that it is all exclusively about British (and sometimes Allied) war dead. As though the losses of other nations are any less a tragedy.
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Nov 8, 2015 20:35
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Pilchenstein posted:Hah! Just how wrong are you? Jesus gently caress. British Nationalism is loving scary.
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Nov 8, 2015 20:36
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OwlFancier posted:Burgerblatter is a wonderful word. not as good as Verdummungsbandagen
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Nov 8, 2015 20:39
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OvineYeast posted:not as good as Verdummungsbandagen Gonzo McFee posted:Jesus gently caress. British Nationalism is loving scary. "But that said, it is his right not to bow and the people he was there to remember fought for our rights to do, or not to do, anything." is a point that doesn't get made enough, although it glosses over that a lot of them fought for other things. I remember a couple of years ago when the WWI revisionism kicked up a notch and there was the poppy burning case, people were literally saying "these people died for our freedom" and "poppy burners need locking up" in the same rant. Unrelated: 
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Nov 8, 2015 20:53
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"They fought because we would have locked them up otherwise" doesn't really have the same ring to it.
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Nov 8, 2015 20:56
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Darth Walrus posted:Also, carte blanche for war crimes. From what I've heard getting rid of the Human Rights Act will raise constitutional problems (actual, not imagined) with the devolved governments, especially Northern Ireland, as it is a part of the Good Friday agreement. So while I am admittedly no professional, as far as I can tell "they want to gently caress up the Good Friday agreement so they can protect British soldiers from being prosecuted for war crimes" is an accurate statement.  Regarde Aduck posted:One's way more fun than the other. If we leave Scotland gets another referendum (at least I think that's the idea) and Cameron gets to be the guy that proceeded over the destruction of the Union. And also hosed a pig. I'm down with Scottish independence purely as a force of chaos and destruction. Britain must leave the EU, Scotland must leave the UK and Northern Ireland must burn. Chaos reigns, but people still vote Tory anyway.
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Nov 8, 2015 21:01
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Trickjaw posted:It just occurred to me watching repeat of the ceremony, thank God no party leader with less than six seats can participate. Imagine what big Nige would have made of it. Didn't they have a hissy fit about that and write to the Queen to complain about it recently? I'm sure I read that somewhere the other day.
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Nov 8, 2015 21:11
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Perhaps everyone's just really accelerationist. And also don't really understand the word which explains the popularity of top gear.
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Nov 8, 2015 21:12
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Kaislioc posted:From what I've heard getting rid of the Human Rights Act will raise constitutional problems (actual, not imagined) with the devolved governments, especially Northern Ireland, as it is a part of the Good Friday agreement. So while I am admittedly no professional, as far as I can tell "they want to gently caress up the Good Friday agreement so they can protect British soldiers from being prosecuted for war crimes" is an accurate statement. OwlFancier posted:"They fought because we would have locked them up otherwise" doesn't really have the same ring to it. There's no way to encompass the breadth of reasons why all fought without doing a disservice to some, although "to knowingly or unknowingly further the interests of the capital classes and the construct of the state" would serve as a background for many of the reasons. We seem to have settled on 'are freedoms' though, such as the freedom to not be spied on without good reason, the freedom to sit on someone's face on camera, the freedom to grow all kinds of plants, and the freedom to burn paper flowers.
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Nov 8, 2015 21:15
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Kaislioc posted:From what I've heard getting rid of the Human Rights Act will raise constitutional problems (actual, not imagined) with the devolved governments, especially Northern Ireland, as it is a part of the Good Friday agreement. So while I am admittedly no professional, as far as I can tell "they want to gently caress up the Good Friday agreement so they can protect British soldiers from being prosecuted for war crimes" is an accurate statement. Not like a whole lot of that was going on with the HRA in place, to be fair.
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Nov 8, 2015 21:17
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Nov 8, 2015 21:22
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Nov 8, 2015 21:24
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They fought for your freedom and your rights, also we're getting rid of the human rights act and increasing domestic spying powers. But everybody pay attention to the old man who didn't bend over enough for the pricks in favour of all that.
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Nov 8, 2015 21:26
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Firing squad was reserved for desertion, cowardice, and post-traumatic stress. Conscientious objectors usually got prison or went to the front anyway in non-combat roles. And mockery, because going out to rescue the wounded instead of shooting people makes you worthy of derision.
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Nov 8, 2015 21:28
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Pilchenstein posted:Hah! Just how wrong are you? Jesus. I can't even understand that mindset. Perhaps the Dutch king should have got a shoeing for being there? I also saw, you know, dark people there. Is this country getting thicker or just nastier?
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Nov 8, 2015 21:35
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Trickjaw posted:Jesus. I can't even understand that mindset. Perhaps the Dutch king should have got a shoeing for being there? I also saw, you know, dark people there. It's the Telegraph. They're just letting it show more.
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Nov 8, 2015 21:37
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Kaislioc posted:From what I've heard getting rid of the Human Rights Act will raise constitutional problems (actual, not imagined) with the devolved governments, especially Northern Ireland, as it is a part of the Good Friday agreement. So while I am admittedly no professional, as far as I can tell "they want to gently caress up the Good Friday agreement so they can protect British soldiers from being prosecuted for war crimes" is an accurate statement. There's an argument that, as the HRA fundamentally underpins the Good Friday Agreement treaty, the Government of Ireland may also need to be consulted to fulfill treaty obligations.
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Trickjaw posted:Is this country getting thicker or just nastier? 
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Trickjaw posted:Jesus. I can't even understand that mindset. Perhaps the Dutch king should have got a shoeing for being there? I also saw, you know, dark people there. It's gotten considerably meaner since the election, I think. A conservative majority has really emboldened the most evil of our society and having Corbyn as contrast is really highlighting it.
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Guavanaut posted:We seem to have settled on 'are freedoms' though, such as the freedom to not be spied on without good reason, the freedom to sit on someone's face on camera, the freedom to grow all kinds of plants, and the freedom to burn paper flowers. Because suggesting that people's loved ones died propping up what has always been at best a morally grey establishment is never going to be a popular move, regardless of what other good you may acknowledge them to have possibly been doing depending on their individual circumstances. God forbid you suggest they died for nothing at all. When Chilcot comes out I fully expect Iraq war widows to be some of its biggest detractors, because saying "your fellas shouldn't even have been there, because the war was both pointless and illegal" has the potential to rather abruptly kick the legs out from under the justifications many of them have been using to cope with their loss (ie that the servicemen in question were at least doing their bit for a solid cause).
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Nov 8, 2015 21:50
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The version I was told by my grandparents about my great-grandfathers is that they were told it was for God, King, and Country, or that it'd all be over in a matter of months, or that it would be an adventure full of excitement and a chance to see new places. And that they were misled and afterwards would never speak a word about what happened, or died rather quickly from disease and injury after coming home. I never heard WWI described in terms of 'freedoms' until fairly recently, it was always even at its most charitable about 'duty'.
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I'm told my (Irish) Great-granddad went into the British Army during WWI but was apparently bullied out of it for being Catholic. No idea about his motivations but I'm guessing King and Country didn't have much to do with it.
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Guavanaut posted:The version I was told by my grandparents about my great-grandfathers is that they were told it was for God, King, and Country, or that it'd all be over in a matter of months, or that it would be an adventure full of excitement and a chance to see new places. And that they were misled and afterwards would never speak a word about what happened, or died rather quickly from disease and injury after coming home. I think you'll find that's all just lefty teachers and Blackadder that's responsible for that myth and actually everyone had a really good time and were proud to be serving the cause of protecting their better's investments abroad. There was nobody named Harry Patch and he certainly never said this: quote:We weren’t heroes. We didn’t want to be there. We were scared, we all were, all the time. Any man who tells you he wasn’t is a drat liar. Life in the trenches was dirty, lousy and unsanitary. The barrages that proceeded battle were one long nightmare and when you went over the top it was just mud, more mud mixed with blood and you struggled through it with dead bodies all around you, any one of whom could have been me.
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Guavanaut posted:The version I was told by my grandparents about my great-grandfathers is that they were told it was for God, King, and Country, or that it'd all be over in a matter of months, or that it would be an adventure full of excitement and a chance to see new places. And that they were misled and afterwards would never speak a word about what happened, or died rather quickly from disease and injury after coming home. So all technically true then, the best kind of bastardry
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OvineYeast posted:I'm told my (Irish) Great-granddad went into the British Army during WWI but was apparently bullied out of it for being Catholic. No idea about his motivations but I'm guessing King and Country didn't have much to do with it.  (Or Mary, or Ba'al, depending on which brand of crazy is talking.)Bringing pride to your family if you did and bringing shame to them if you didn't was a part of it too. The idea that the Kaiser had stolen all of are freedoms and buried them in a ditch in Belgium never seemed to enter into any of the discourse though.
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Guavanaut posted:The idea that the Kaiser had stolen all of are freedoms and buried them in a ditch in Belgium never seemed to enter into any of the discourse though. He was trying to do an empire, but that was our idea first and he just nicked it. WWI was fought to protect our copyright on the concept of a global monopoly on bastardry.
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