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GORDON posted:Funny, I am binge-watching Community for the first time because they made fun of it in the Unity episode. I wanted to get the joke. Yeah honestly I enjoy some old school Chevy Chase but for whatever reason he is just the biggest loving dick in Community. Like I get that that's his character but it just was never fun or entertaining to me. Oh boy here's Pierce to be a dick again, probably some tired joke about Blacks or Gays or something. ha. so funny. Oh and now they've gotta waste time redeeming his character slightly so he's a huge dick but not quite full-on dick. I seriously don't care. Get back to the funny stuff. I'm really glad he got dropped for whatever reason. Baronjutter posted:As much as I love the show I've heard Harmon and Roiland are both raving libertarians of some stripe. Which makes sense that the main character is an insane libertarian intergalactic free-man-on-the-spacetime and his arch nemisis is the very concept of an organized government which he's willing to murder countless of it's police and civilians if they get in the way of his right to be a space criminal. Ugh, I really don't want to think about Rick as a Soverign Citizen but... he kinda is yeah. At least when he turned himself in to the cops, he just accepted his fate. He didn't try to argue some bullshit legalese to get himself out of it.
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Zaphod42 posted:Ugh, I really don't want to think about Rick as a Soverign Citizen but... he kinda is yeah. .... meaning that he's not a Sovereign Citizen at all, because believing that they can argue their way out of a legal jam by (insert a list of stupid things here, with each item being stupider than the last) is literally the one thing that makes Sovereign Citizens what they are. Rick doesn't believe that people are fully independent of government and that laws only apply to people if those people consent to it, either willingly or by being tricked. He understands who is in charge and fights against it. No legal-ish arguments, no creative interpretations of tiny sections and misquotes of eons-old laws that no longer apply to anything: he fights against the government using violence. He understands why the government considers him a terrorist. Rick despises the government, but unlike a sovereign citizen, he concedes that it has authority. (Again, that's the very thing he rallies against.) Freedom fighters and terrorists are not the same thing as freemen on the land. Saying that they are is an insult to terrorists.
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Nov 6, 2015 18:08
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Johnny Truant posted:My "SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT" ringtone went off on my commute home from work yesterday and I had two people comment on it. 
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tarlibone posted:.... meaning that he's not a Sovereign Citizen at all, because believing that they can argue their way out of a legal jam by (insert a list of stupid things here, with each item being stupider than the last) is literally the one thing that makes Sovereign Citizens what they are. Yeah fair enough. That's why I said kinda, but yeah more not.
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah honestly I enjoy some old school Chevy Chase but for whatever reason he is just the biggest loving dick in Community. Like I get that that's his character but it just was never fun or entertaining to me. Oh boy here's Pierce to be a dick again, probably some tired joke about Blacks or Gays or something. ha. so funny. Oh and now they've gotta waste time redeeming his character slightly so he's a huge dick but not quite full-on dick. I seriously don't care. Get back to the funny stuff. In fairness, Chevy Chase hated that too. He got so pissed off at it one day that he said they might as well have his character just say "friend of the family". Then they fired Chevy Chase for saying "friend of the family".
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rydiafan posted:In fairness, Chevy Chase hated that too. He got so pissed off at it one day that he said they might as well have his character just say "friend of the family". Then they fired Chevy Chase for saying "friend of the family". Then Harmon yelled at him on Twitter for seven hours.
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Curious/Explorer Cosby sounds a lot like Mr Meeseeks.
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So I just finished the second season. They're kidding, right? About the year and a half?
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WarpedNaba posted:So I just finished the second season. or more!!!
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Nov 7, 2015 13:56
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6 months to write, ~9 months to animate (they can finish animating the later episodes as it starts to run) and a couple of months for promotion and preparation.
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I'm glad they included that little meta bit at the end of season 2. After the first season ended, a couple of my friends would drat near constantly ask me when new Rick and Morty was coming out, and I'd have to patiently explain that it'd take a year or longer. It takes a while to come up with great crazy plots. It takes a while for the art teams to crank out those awesome eye candy designs. It takes even longer to actually to combine those factors and get everything animated. If they wanted, they probably could rush it and have new episodes out quicker, but I'm sure the quality of everything about the show would take a HUGE dip, and I doubt even the most impatient R&M fan wants that.
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Not trying to disagree, but why doesn't it take Fox's animated series that long? Or Southpark (although obviously easier to animate)?
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three posted:Not trying to disagree, but why doesn't it take Fox's animated series that long? Or Southpark (although obviously easier to animate)? Fox's animated series are on a sweatshop (both figurative and literal) work schedule where they're in constant, constant production, some aspect of every show that airs in the animation domination block (especially in regards to The Simpsons) is being worked on year-round That's how they get turnarounds that quickly, because the instant the writers are done with a 22-episode season of The Simpsons/Family Guy/American Dad/etc they turn around and start writing the next season with virtually no breaks, and that's not even counting the insane schedule the artists and animators are on The biggest difference between every other animated TV show and South Park is time spent in animation, considering a South Park episode can and is animated within the space of a couple of days But they also do wildly different stuff in their writing methodology than every other show, animated or not, does that allows them ludicrously quick production turnarounds, mostly dealing with how the writers on South Park are basically in constant crunch and pull incredibly weird and hazardous hours, led by Matt and Trey who often rewrite whole sections of scripts during voice sessions The production of South Park is very interesting, nightmarish, and singular, and if you're interested theres a netflix documentary called 6 days to air that covers the production of a single episode of South Park from conception to finished product. But, essentially, the reason they can have such quick turnarounds is due entirely to the fact that their animation pipeline is unbelievably fast and everything else following natural from that increased speed In contrast the FOX animation teams just work everyone involved in making the show(s) like dogs, there's zero downtime at any real point for anyone involved in those shows' productions
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WarpedNaba posted:So I just finished the second season. Yeah when questioned on it they said it'll be more like a year.
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three posted:Not trying to disagree, but why doesn't it take Fox's animated series that long? Or Southpark (although obviously easier to animate)? Harmon is also notorious for late scripts. There's a good chance they hit 15 months though.
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Tiny Riiiiiick!
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Toxxupation posted:In contrast the FOX animation teams just work everyone involved in making the show(s) like dogs, there's zero downtime at any real point for anyone involved in those shows' productions I expect that the Family Guy voice actors don't have to pull crazy hours, and even Macfarlane has enough time to do other movies or shows. For sure the writing and animation teams are busy as hell though. The voice actors in Simpsons and Family guy definitely get the best slice of the pie though with pretty massive paychecks per episode while working a fraction of the time that the animators and writers do. Basically, for the normal VA's it's a 40 hour work week for a shorter period of time, and for just about everyone else on the shows it's probably more in the 60-80 range for most of the year. Macfarlane is the outlier because across all his stuff he has to be working like a madman.
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MacFarlane has very little to do with Family Guy or American Dad anymore, not for years.
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I remember hearing a thing a long time ago that the Simpsons VAs actually have a kind of bullshit contract that was negotiated back in the 80s/early 90s and don't even get royalties.
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Yeah, they weren't even in the credits for a long time.
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Lol at asking how fox can churn it out so quickly compared to rick and morty. Have you seen the shows they make? Simpsons is dead. Bobs burgers is good, but its not as out there as r&m so I think its probably easier to write for and animate since the locations are all pretty reusable and that it takes place on earth with normal earth stuff. Just, compare the quality, there's your answer.
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The primary Simpsons VAs all make like $400K per episode. They're not having trouble paying their mortgages.
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The simpsons has been on so long. Can they at least reuse all the old backgrounds and stuff. How many times do you have to draw the same couch in the same room?
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Entropic posted:The primary Simpsons VAs all make like $400K per episode. They're not having trouble paying their mortgages. Yeah, and they sometimes literally phone in their lines. I don't feel any sympathy for whatever "contract woes" they complain about.
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sweetmercifulcrap posted:Yeah, and they sometimes literally phone in their lines. I don't feel any sympathy for whatever "contract woes" they complain about. Bart Simpson's voice actress, for one, got the award from scientology which basically means "gave $20 million to the church all in one package" . If she can just throw that much away on the right to shake hands with David Miscavige and get a dumb plaque, I imagine she's rolling in it.
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Johnny Truant posted:My "SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT" ringtone went off on my commute home from work yesterday and I had two people comment on it. yeah? was it in Virginia?
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I finally got around to watching my first episode this weekend. This is the absolute best show on TV. It hits on so many levels. Holy poo poo.
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tarlibone posted:.... meaning that he's not a Sovereign Citizen at all, because believing that they can argue their way out of a legal jam by (insert a list of stupid things here, with each item being stupider than the last) is literally the one thing that makes Sovereign Citizens what they are. Rick doesn't seem to have a problem with the concept of government (at least on Earth). It's only when government tries to get in his way or otherwise bother him (Galactic Feds). Basically, leave him alone and your fine. The Galactic Feds seem like they are after Rick not just for the terrorism, but for his science gear (at the Birdman wedding, they tried to secure his portal gun, presumably to study it). Maybe this whole terrorism started because the Feds tried to kidnap Rick to steal his gear. After all, Rick's partner in crime Birdperson doesn't seem to be the type to destroy stuff for the hell of it, unlike Rick. I'm guessing we will learn more next season, especially since Earth is now Galactic Fed (or, at least this Earth is).
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I think they wanted to confiscate the portal gun mainly to keep him from escaping. With that gun, he's in the wind immediately. Without it, they have him, as long as they can keep him from commandeering a catering space-van, and seriously, what were the odds on that happening? But they might be after him partially for his knowledge and equipment. The G-Fed seems to be pretty powerful, but they clearly haven't mastered inter-dimensional travel, at least not to the level that Rick has. And Ricks keep Morties around for camouflage, and they're not necessarily hiding from the Council of Ricks all the time. (Hell, most of the Ricks are part of that council.) It's probably the G-Fed they're hiding from.
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three posted:Not trying to disagree, but why doesn't it take Fox's animated series that long? Or Southpark (although obviously easier to animate)? It does take that long, you just don't notice it. Most of them have a staff of writers so they're writing the next season while the current season is airing. As soon as an episode is done being written, it gets handed off to the animation team. These smaller shows take longer because there's bottlenecks are some point, ie. Harmon turning in scripts late, McCulloch & Hammer doing everything themselves, etc. Dr_Amazing posted:The simpsons has been on so long. Can they at least reuse all the old backgrounds and stuff. How many times do you have to draw the same couch in the same room? In the commentaries for some of the golden seasons of the seasons they point out the scenes they pulled from another episode and redubbed. Now that it's all digital it's probably easy to just reuse parts, I know they have a people gun to automatically draw crowds.
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Toxxupation posted:[stuff about cartoon production] I enjoyed reading this; it was informative. 
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tarlibone posted:But they might be after him partially for his knowledge and equipment. The G-Fed seems to be pretty powerful, but they clearly haven't mastered inter-dimensional travel, at least not to the level that Rick has. And Ricks keep Morties around for camouflage, and they're not necessarily hiding from the Council of Ricks all the time. (Hell, most of the Ricks are part of that council.) It's probably the G-Fed they're hiding from. In Close Rick-Counters, Rick does say "You wanted to be safe from the government, so you became a stupid government." We have to assume that the Galactic Federation exists in some form in most realities, but that makes sense to me. We also know they have at least elementary knowledge of Portals since Rick and Morty use a stationary one to get back to Earth in the pilot, but I'm not sure if they mention whether or not they're in another dimension or just another galaxy within their dimension. So, assuming that the G-Fed doesn't know how to travel or communicate between dimensions like the Ricks' do, it makes sense for them to chase after Rick for his Tech since it means being able to coordinate your forces across multiple dimensions. I mean, the Council of Ricks was pretty formidable and it was just made up of one guy from across multiple dimensions. If you had one government across multiple dimensions, your influence could only stand to grow from it.
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tarlibone posted:But they might be after him partially for his knowledge and equipment. The G-Fed seems to be pretty powerful, but they clearly haven't mastered inter-dimensional travel, at least not to the level that Rick has. And Ricks keep Morties around for camouflage, and they're not necessarily hiding from the Council of Ricks all the time. (Hell, most of the Ricks are part of that council.) It's probably the G-Fed they're hiding from. This just seemed like a given to me. Ricks use Morties to hide from the G-Fed, but its not enough to hide from other Ricks. I guess they could be hiding from space pirates or whatever too, but I'm pretty sure that the G-Fed was the implication. In general Ricks don't have to hide from the Council of Ricks. Even though C-137 Rick disapproves of the Council, and they know where he lives, they live in relative harmony. Its only when Ricks start getting murdered that they investigate him, and even then he just gives himself over to them because he knows he can trust them to not gently caress him up over nothing. And they mention knowing other Ricks who disprove of the Council too like the Artist formerly known as Rick, and seem cool with him.
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Ahem the Scientist Formally Known as Rick
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Toxxupation posted:Fox's animated series are on a sweatshop (both figurative and literal) work schedule where they're in constant, constant production, some aspect of every show that airs in the animation domination block (especially in regards to The Simpsons) is being worked on year-round 6 Days to Air is worth watching if you're interested in the processes of animation, television production, or just any process at all. I would seriously show it to any team trying to implement a new and faster workflow in any industry.
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SwissCM posted:MacFarlane has very little to do with Family Guy or American Dad anymore, not for years. Besides the obvious, of course.
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tarlibone posted:I think they wanted to confiscate the portal gun mainly to keep him from escaping. With that gun, he's in the wind immediately. Without it, they have him, as long as they can keep him from commandeering a catering space-van, and seriously, what were the odds on that happening?
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AlternateNu posted:Then it blew up in her rear end rear end assin' rear end face. I, too, wonder why Rick didn't just make a gun which turns peoples' faces into butts and use it to kick rear end with.
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