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Also keep in mind the particular kind of anime that NRx people latch onto. They're much more likely to have a doe-eyed waifu avatar than an SSJ6 1/2 muscleman shonen fighter. (Though come to think of it, it sure is odd that the super saiyans get blond hair and blue eyes...  )
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Cingulate posted:I assume anime in general is also a fairly reactionary genre? anime reflects Japanese society at large, so i would say it's right wing but not to an extreme degree and not in a way that directly corresponds to the style of reddit right-libertarian we're talking about here. ironically enough it's also much more gender-egalitarian than american nerd media, there's lots and lots of anime poo poo for a female audience, most of it basically trashy romance novel comics, and it's fully integrated into the medium as a whole. of course that also has its own issues with being rapey Twilight-style and fetishizing the gays for the titillation of the female audience, but i think it counts for something. and attitudes towards homosexuality in general are surprisingly progressive at least compared to the fundie Christian 'gays are subhuman and should be stoned', even if not perfect, like the fetishization stuff mentioned above. bottom line is i don't think it's fair or accurate to say anime is particularly right wing, at least not compared to Japan in general. IMO American nerd media is actually noticeably more right wing compared to American society at large than anime stuff is compared to Japan, to the point where American nerd stuff ends up being almost as lovely or as lovely as anime stuff, even with Japan being a right wing shithole and yeah the kind of anime the neoreactionary types stereotypically latch on to is the kind which infantilizes women into being perfect doting innocent waifus for the enjoyment of the male audience icantfindaname has a new favorite as of 22:15 on Nov 9, 2015 |
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Actually common cause is probably the wrong word. I'm sure there are fascist Japanese nerds, but I don't know if they even know Moldbug exists for the most part. Woolie Wool posted:(Though come to think of it, it sure is odd that the super saiyans get blond hair and blue eyes... 
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yeah, the antiwar screed in which the evil militaristic empire commits brutal reprisals against civilians in a guerrilla war is basically a stock plot in anime
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Nessus posted:There's definitely right-wing stuff, some zombie series actually got censored because it went from "right wing cranks' armories are our best hope of getting guns to fight the zombie apocalypse!" to "actually, they have a lot of good points regarding our innocence of war crimes." But there is also a lot of anti-war stuff from what I've gathered. Most every Gundam other than the one with the Tequila Gundam attempts to show how war is hell. Even the one with the Tequila Gundam covered that. There was a lot of stuff about how the Gundam Fights were an alternative to the horrors of war, but were still causing an unacceptable amount of civilian casualties and environmental damage. Hell, it was basically a good chunk of the plot.
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divabot posted:Yeah, he's been sending me drafts as he goes. This morning's excerpt (actually about "Phyl-Undhu") has a good go at slightly explaining Roko's Basilisk, at least enough to get across the concept of a philosophy having to face its own implicit horror story. "Phyl-Undhu" really does stick it hard to LessWrong, and will entertain any experienced LW hatereader. Phil does think Nick Land is of value, and reading him on Land has led me to concede this might be the case and Land might ever have had substance. Land also inspired Vaporwave somehow, which is beloved by the exact subset of Tumblr that the DE hates. Darth Walrus posted:Two of his most famous, The Call of Cthulhu and The Shadow Over Innsmouth, are all about dat racism. At The Mountains of Madness is a grey area, depending on how you interpret the relationship between the Elder Things and shoggoths, and The Colour Out of Space (his best work, IMO) is pretty much devoid of it. Lovecraft could write non-racist stuff sometimes - it's not quite as hard to untangle as, say, Robert Howard's stories. The funniest bit of racism in Mountains of Madness is the narrator classifying some unfathomable alien art as 'degenerate' after seeing it for less than an hour.
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Let us all remember the time last year when Matt "Makes a living off of e-books about jacking it and rageclicks" discovered the conspiracy goes deeper than anybody suspected https://twitter.com/realmattforney/status/525892287587311616
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Count Chocula posted:Land also inspired Vaporwave somehow, which is beloved by the exact subset of Tumblr that the DE hates. Uh, no, that would be dubstep. One producer, I think Kode9, was Land's student at some crappy British university. There's an article about Land's days as a professor. He was as crazy as you'd think.
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Merdifex posted:Uh, no, that would be dubstep. One producer, I think Kode9, was Land's student at some crappy British university. There's an article about Land's days as a professor. He was as crazy as you'd think. I read that article and it made him sound amazing. But I also linked a huge Vaporwave thinkpiece that cited Land. China Mieville wrote a book about jungle/drum n bass, King Rat, from a socialist perspective. The article calling Land 'a figure in an Adam Curtis movie' was spot-on.
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we're done talking about IQ, right? I use this app on my phone called Podkicker where for some reason it automatically subscribes me to poo poo I don't care to listen to, until now... http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p036vwgd quote:
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Nessus posted:I understand why a lot of these jerks would have anime avatars, and not even just like - "ha ha, everyone else has a Random Anime Girl Face, I'll get some random anime girl face too" ones. My real question is how they reconcile this love of the aneems with all this pro-Western pro-white pro-Christianity stuff. Do they consider the Japanese to be honorary whites? Do they consider Japanese animism to be a font of masculine paganist virtue?
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U.T. Raptor posted:For some strange reason, people (on the left as well as the right) tend to treat the Japanese as honorary whites whenever it's rhetorically convenient. It's an age old trope in racism that goes back hundreds of years. For some reason racist white imperialists in the 1800's decided that unlike all other Asian people the Japanese alone were "white" in the sense that they could also be racist imperialist assholes.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:It's an age old trope in racism that goes back hundreds of years. For some reason racist white imperialists in the 1800's decided that unlike all other Asian people the Japanese alone were "white" in the sense that they could also be racist imperialist assholes.
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Another SJW rant post from Scott. http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/11/09/looking-a-gift-horse-in-the-mouth/
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Merdifex posted:Another SJW rant post from Scott. What a goddamn pud
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So his problem is that now the Big Cathedral is looking at his cause, and is both potentially appropriating it to their Dark Agendas (doubtless determined in a mofference) while simultaneously rejecting the one thing he personally likes? That must be rough, buddy. Maybe if his IQ and genetic value was higher he could get a job at a think tank.
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Nessus posted:So his problem is that now the Big Cathedral is looking at his cause, and is both potentially appropriating it to their Dark Agendas (doubtless determined in a mofference) while simultaneously rejecting the one thing he personally likes? That must be rough, buddy. Maybe if his IQ and genetic value was higher he could get a job at a think tank. He has half a point. The backlash against trigger warnings strikes me as excessive too; they have obvious uses, and even at their absolute worst, they're silly rather than truly harmful. But the claim that the media isn't worried about various negative arguably-social-justice-related things seems strange when you consider that in the same post, he links to media articles about those things. He may be right that Salon doesn't particularly care about these things, relative to the attention they give to attacking college students as coddled, but I think Scott tends to attach too much importance to what Salon thinks in general. Edit: I kind of see what he's getting at here; there's a difference between news articles describing events and op-eds complaining about trends. Some of the "trends" in question are perhaps better understood as individual events, though, and in any case aren't things that people who write op-eds/thinkpieces are likely to have relevant personal experiences of. Silver2195 has a new favorite as of 08:52 on Nov 10, 2015 |
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Race Realists posted:what it is with Reactionary nerds and anime avatars?  icantfindaname posted:It's not wrong. Nerds like anime, and neo-fascist losers are nerds, therefore neofascists have anime avatars. Just like LF Maoists, as the article points out Curvature of Earth posted:The most reasonable hypothesis is simply crank magnetism. Weeaboos consider anime to be outside of the mainstream (as they define it), and that inclination towards non-mainstream art makes them more inclined to like other non-mainstream things, including politics. This covers not just reactionaries, but leftists as well—hence the much-mocked Tumblr trend of "anime communism".   Woolie Wool posted:Also keep in mind the particular kind of anime that NRx people latch onto. They're much more likely to have a doe-eyed waifu avatar than an SSJ6 1/2 muscleman shonen fighter. http://www.therobotsvoice.com/2008/12/fan_ficition_friday_goku_and_anne_frank_in_until_t.php The Vosgian Beast posted:Let us all remember the time last year when Matt "Makes a living off of e-books about jacking it and rageclicks" discovered the conspiracy goes deeper than anybody suspected Assepoester has a new favorite as of 08:56 on Nov 10, 2015 |
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Just imagine how beautiful it would be if Jews got a break from being the shadowy antagonists, to be replaced by... weird twitter. (Almost as bizarre as a world where the collective brain of the ultraright is housed in 4chan, you might say.)
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i think you people spend too much time on the internet
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We're just hedging our bets, in case we get recreated from our posting history. Want to make sure alt-Peztopiary is different enough from the real me that any acausal threats are ineffective/inefficient.
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Race Realists posted:we're done talking about IQ, right? 
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Merdifex posted:Another SJW rant post from Scott. Scott posted:I started criticizing social justice back in 2010, which doesn’t sound so impressive Scott posted:I started criticizing social justice back in 2010, which doesn’t sound so impressive until you realize that’s two centuries ago in Internet Years. Scott posted:At the time, you rarely heard such criticism outside of wingnutty lesbianism-causes-witchcraft circles. Scott posted:[back then, critics of "social justice"]were nobodies, and nobody cared what they thought. The lesbian-causes-witchcraft types had their talk shows, but among moderate liberals social justice criticism stayed mostly confined to a bunch of small blogs. Cingulate has a new favorite as of 10:37 on Nov 10, 2015 |
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Phobophilia posted:i think you people spend too much time on the internet
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My understanding is the Japanese nerd-right is mostly centered on militarism and fighting the villainous Chinese. I used to say this made it distinct from the American nerd-right's libertarian focus, but the latter's collapse into outright reaction has probably closed the gap some.
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Merdifex posted:Another SJW rant post from Scott. My favorite parts are the ones where he links to his own blogposts as evidence of sjw evil, and the part where he randomly declares that sjws don't believe men can be victims of abuse.
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Also him leaping on the denunciation train immediately when there's an internet abuse scandal in SJW circles, compared to him still not criticizing gamergate outside of vague "maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle" terms.
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Nessus posted:I understand why a lot of these jerks would have anime avatars, and not even just like - "ha ha, everyone else has a Random Anime Girl Face, I'll get some random anime girl face too" ones. My real question is how they reconcile this love of the aneems with all this pro-Western pro-white pro-Christianity stuff. Do they consider the Japanese to be honorary whites? Do they consider Japanese animism to be a font of masculine paganist virtue? Cingulate posted:I read Kane stuff only as a probably sanitized translation when I was a very naive child, are they super racist? Half of Solomon Kane stories are set in Africa and those are really pretty egregious. And he gives us gems such as this Gems ni the Night posted:"Kane stood, an unconscious statue of triumph - the ancient empires fall, the dark-skinned peoples fade and even the demons of antiquity gasp their last, but over all stands the Aryan barbarian, white-skinned, cold-eyed, dominant, the supreme fighting man of the earth, whether he be clad in wolf-hide and horned helmet, or boots and doublet - whether he bear in his hand battle-ax or rapier - whether he be called Dorian, Saxon or Englishman - whether his name is Jason, Hengist or Solomon Kane." For every "oh the frog people of innsmouth are supposed to be part black", I can find something really glaring in Solomon Kane. 
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Race Realists posted:we're done talking about IQ, right? I like how the intro seems to paint him as not giving a gently caress and only going into academia because it was a thing to do.
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Cingulate posted:I'm with you so far, that indeed doesn't sound impressive ... Lesbianism probably doesn't cause witchcraft but gayness has been shown to cause fabulous faerieness.
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Merdifex posted:Another SJW rant post from Scott. quote:A friend on Tumblr pointed out that Hillary Clinton’s official list of campaign priorities include “ending sexual assault on campus”? Why not just “ending sexual assault”? #AllRapesMatter
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Post-rationalists are really, really obsessed with rape rates on campuses. It helps that MRAs tell them feminists don't care about prison rape or other forms of male sexual abuse, and they've never bothered to check with any actual feminist.
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The Time Dissolver posted:#AllRapesMatter To be fair, there is reason to believe that college students are more likely to report rapes, being better educated about it, and that there's actually a greater proportion of sexual violence that goes utterly unreported among poorer, less educated women. Please don't citation needed me, I'm tired.
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Nessus posted:I understand why a lot of these jerks would have anime avatars, and not even just like - "ha ha, everyone else has a Random Anime Girl Face, I'll get some random anime girl face too" ones. My real question is how they reconcile this love of the aneems with all this pro-Western pro-white pro-Christianity stuff. Do they consider the Japanese to be honorary whites? Do they consider Japanese animism to be a font of masculine paganist virtue? A lot of people believe that anime characters are all supposed to be white, despite living in Japan and having Japanese names.
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Puppy Time posted:A lot of people believe that anime characters are all supposed to be white, despite living in Japan and having Japanese names. It doesn't help that anime can trace its origins back to loving Betty Boop
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#AllRapesMatter lol But I'm actually with Scott on this one. Blacks are disproportionally victims of I guess everything you can be victim of (exception: terminal trust fund kid ennui!). "White people also sometimes get shot" is a distasteful point. But "poor people, especially poor women, experience much more sexual violence" is a good point. College is comparatively safe and I see zero good from claiming the opposite to the exclusion of the disprivileged.
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Peel posted:My understanding is the Japanese nerd-right is mostly centered on militarism and fighting the villainous Chinese. I used to say this made it distinct from the American nerd-right's libertarian focus, but the latter's collapse into outright reaction has probably closed the gap some. Does anybody have a sense of when this happened? It seems like the Google Ron Paul crowd has neatly separated into reaction and Feel The Bern, and it's definitely clear that libertarianism is the most common reactionary background story (one even described it as "post-libertarianism") but I'm not seeing any eg sharp trend lines on Google Trends (other than a rise in alt-right shibboleths from around the end of the decade) or the like so I might just be forcing a narrative.
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also the actual answer for why the far-right likes other cultures is because it believes in a culture war might makes right sort of social darwinism. there's no contradiction in Hitler praising the Japanese because the Nazi worldview considered different cultures to be fighting to the death for supremacy. the Germans must defeat the Slavs to triumph just like the Japanese must defeat the Chinese. and at that point in time the Japanese were pretty successful in stomping their East Asian neighbors, so in Hitler's opinion, good for them.
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icantfindaname posted:also the actual answer for why the far-right likes other cultures is because it believes in a culture war might makes right sort of social darwinism. there's no contradiction in Hitler praising the Japanese because the Nazi worldview considered different cultures to be fighting to the death for supremacy. the Germans must defeat the Slavs to triumph just like the Japanese must defeat the Chinese. and at that point in time the Japanese were pretty successful in stomping their East Asian neighbors, for in Hitler's opinion, good for them. Bird of a feather flock together.
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Cingulate posted:#AllRapesMatter lol The problem is you're taking his framing as non-disingenuous.
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