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SwissArmyDruid posted:Oh good, it looks like they recognized the problem with grouping BRD/MCH with BLM/SMN in the same "ranged DPS" category. So what catigory are they going into? It be nice if we weren't getting 30 min queue times when I'm playing MCH.
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Arashiofordo3 posted:So what catigory are they going into? It be nice if we weren't getting 30 min queue times when I'm playing MCH. That's wholly unrelated 
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nuru posted:That's wholly unrelated My bad, I just remember people talking about diffrent dps catigories getting diffrent queue priority around ROG/NIN release. If I misunderstood then I apologise. To be honest half the poo poo you lot go on about goes over my head anyway.
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So I've just been mostly skimming this thread for the last 10 pages or so but what I'm getting is that, among other things, people hate PLD because its DPS potential is very very low. It is, however, the most "pure" tank class. If I were preparing to make myself a tank alt, don't usually play tank classes, am worried about my ability to retain threat, and don't plan on ever doing raids, should I make a PLD? Or is WAR/DRK good enough at keeping threat that even an inexperienced tank should be able to do it in dungeons etc?
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I can't wait to queue into every diadem asking where the butts are at loquacius posted:So I've just been mostly skimming this thread for the last 10 pages or so but what I'm getting is that, among other things, people hate PLD because its DPS potential is very very low. It is, however, the most "pure" tank class. If I were preparing to make myself a tank alt, don't usually play tank classes, am worried about my ability to retain threat, and don't plan on ever doing raids, should I make a PLD? Or is WAR/DRK good enough at keeping threat that even an inexperienced tank should be able to do it in dungeons etc? The problem is that people actually LIKE Paladin, but the class itself doesn't excel at anything other than having a lot of defensive capabilities right now. WAR and DRK do almost everything it can do if not everything better. That being said if you don't ever plan on doing raids don't worry about it too much. The complaints about PLD are mostly relevant to end-game and raiding. Outside of those contexts PLD is fine, WAR and DRK are just better. Play what you like. Samba De Amigo fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Nov 9, 2015 |
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loquacius posted:So I've just been mostly skimming this thread for the last 10 pages or so but what I'm getting is that, among other things, people hate PLD because its DPS potential is very very low. It is, however, the most "pure" tank class. If I were preparing to make myself a tank alt, don't usually play tank classes, am worried about my ability to retain threat, and don't plan on ever doing raids, should I make a PLD? Or is WAR/DRK good enough at keeping threat that even an inexperienced tank should be able to do it in dungeons etc? PLD actually has the hardest time keeping threat, because of their low damage output. They're the best at getting hit and living through it, but you don't really need their extra defense for anything in the game.
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loquacius posted:So I've just been mostly skimming this thread for the last 10 pages or so but what I'm getting is that, among other things, people hate PLD because its DPS potential is very very low. It is, however, the most "pure" tank class. If I were preparing to make myself a tank alt, don't usually play tank classes, am worried about my ability to retain threat, and don't plan on ever doing raids, should I make a PLD? Or is WAR/DRK good enough at keeping threat that even an inexperienced tank should be able to do it in dungeons etc? PLD isn't any better at tanking AND sucks at DPS which is what the problem is. It is also bad at holding threat. WAR/DRK are better at tanking and more fun to play as well. Unless you're REALLY attached to the sword-n-board asthetic, don't bother leveling GLA past provoke at this juncture.
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Samba De Amigo posted:I can't wait to queue into every diadem asking where the butts are at /mdance
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loquacius posted:So I've just been mostly skimming this thread for the last 10 pages or so but what I'm getting is that, among other things, people hate PLD because its DPS potential is very very low. It is, however, the most "pure" tank class. If I were preparing to make myself a tank alt, don't usually play tank classes, am worried about my ability to retain threat, and don't plan on ever doing raids, should I make a PLD? Or is WAR/DRK good enough at keeping threat that even an inexperienced tank should be able to do it in dungeons etc? Paladin has the most trouble holding hate of the three classes. Warrior and Dark both can grab and lockdown hate with very little difficulty. Either way, all three tanks are absolutely viable for all content in the game. There is no specific piece of content that any one of the three cannot do. So play them all and find whatever you like best and just stick with it.
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loquacius posted:So I've just been mostly skimming this thread for the last 10 pages or so but what I'm getting is that, among other things, people hate PLD because its DPS potential is very very low. It is, however, the most "pure" tank class. If I were preparing to make myself a tank alt, don't usually play tank classes, am worried about my ability to retain threat, and don't plan on ever doing raids, should I make a PLD? Or is WAR/DRK good enough at keeping threat that even an inexperienced tank should be able to do it in dungeons etc? Don't make an alt.
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Noted, thanks guys  Fister Roboto posted:Don't make an alt. Yeah we've been way over this a while ago, "alt" in this case means the same character in a different job I even got the limit-one-character subscription
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loquacius posted:So I've just been mostly skimming this thread for the last 10 pages or so but what I'm getting is that, among other things, people hate PLD because its DPS potential is very very low. It is, however, the most "pure" tank class. If I were preparing to make myself a tank alt, don't usually play tank classes, am worried about my ability to retain threat, and don't plan on ever doing raids, should I make a PLD? Or is WAR/DRK good enough at keeping threat that even an inexperienced tank should be able to do it in dungeons etc? I'd suggest that you wait until you unlock Heavensward and give Dark Knight a shot. You'll start at level 30 with your tanking stance unlocked which means you'll take less damage and hold threat easier. The big issue with Paladin I find that makes it hard at the make-or-break point of Brayflox's Longstop is you don't get your tanking stance until level 40, making it hard to hold threat unless you spam flash constantly. Plus Dark Knight is baller as hell.
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DarkHamsterlord posted:Well you can only get one Void Ark piece per week, while they're removing the cap on Alex gear so you can theoretically get the gear much faster assuming you can consistently win rolls against 7 other people because there's no longer any reason not to roll need on everything every time Gear is still locked by class though right and whether the person already has one in the inventory? So it'll more likely than not you'll be competing with just another dude, maybe less.
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loquacius posted:So I've just been mostly skimming this thread for the last 10 pages or so but what I'm getting is that, among other things, people hate PLD because its DPS potential is very very low. It is, however, the most "pure" tank class. If I were preparing to make myself a tank alt, don't usually play tank classes, am worried about my ability to retain threat, and don't plan on ever doing raids, should I make a PLD? Or is WAR/DRK good enough at keeping threat that even an inexperienced tank should be able to do it in dungeons etc? I've only leveled up Marauder to 20 (I will get it to 26 for mercy stroke and that will probably be it) so I can't comment on that too much but I have PLD and DRK at 60. DRK is just more fun on every level for me, because 1. It holds hate way better, 2. The abilities look cooler, 3. Higher DPS. PLD has nice defensive cooldowns and slightly higher defense because of the shield but that's about it over DRK. One of the main things I like about DRK is you find yourself using the DPS combos more often and not worrying about losing hate. There's a lot more thought into what you should do next as opposed to PLD which is a predictable rage of halone combo, goring blade combo, then royal authority combo (or probably another halone combo because you're losing hate fast) and repeat. PLD has nice utility in specific fights, but overall I just think DRK is a more fun class.
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Boten Anna posted:I can't decide what I want to do when servers are up, void ark, thordian, exploratory voyages Come do totally not Dynamis forever!
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Lant posted:Come do totally not Dynamis forever! Big Ol' Edit: I still want to go out and do airship adventures forever and ever.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Gear is still locked by class though right and whether the person already has one in the inventory? So it'll more likely than not you'll be competing with just another dude, maybe less. Not in Alex, because you get tokens instead of gear, so every class can roll and you can hold as many as will fit in your inventory I mean, it doesn't really matter since it's all irrelevant gear now anyway, but it will make farming for alts outside of premade groups with loot agreements a huge pain in the rear end
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DarkHamsterlord posted:Not in Alex, because you get tokens instead of gear, so every class can roll and you can hold as many as will fit in your inventory
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You need mission fuel for going on the voyages, you can only go once every two hours, your airship use has a 20 minute cooldown. So I can only cram 32 goons per 20 minutes into the trashcans. Assuming the ships don't remain "in use" while someone is on mission
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RuanGacho posted:You need mission fuel for going on the voyages, you can only go once every two hours, your airship use has a 20 minute cooldown. So I can only cram 32 goons per 20 minutes into the trashcans. Send everyone to the diadem and leave them there forever
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seiferguy posted:I've only leveled up Marauder to 20 (I will get it to 26 for mercy stroke and that will probably be it) so I can't comment on that too much but I have PLD and DRK at 60. DRK is just more fun on every level for me, because 1. It holds hate way better, 2. The abilities look cooler, 3. Higher DPS. PLD has nice defensive cooldowns and slightly higher defense because of the shield but that's about it over DRK. Marauder is good, Warrior is great, and post-50 warrior is goddamned amazing. Like you're kind of comparing classes you have at 60 (or at least, started at 30) with something you refuse to even get to the jobstone for. Fair enough if it doesn't interest you enough to level, but you have to at least *try* to wreck poo poo with chainsaws while main tanking before you can compare it to the other tanks with any authority.
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Boten Anna posted:Marauder is good, Warrior is great, and post-50 warrior is goddamned amazing. Like you're kind of comparing classes you have at 60 (or at least, started at 30) with something you refuse to even get to the jobstone for. Fair enough if it doesn't interest you enough to level, but you have to at least *try* to wreck poo poo with chainsaws while main tanking before you can compare it to the other tanks with any authority. <Fell Cleave> But really all of this is true. Warrior is the best class, Just roll 5 Warriors for all content.
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LordNat posted:<Fell Cleave> warrior.flv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vs7AVPLjBY
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BRB, solofarming cragdad pony. (Seriously, un-cleanly stacked Weight is the bane of my existence.) Edit: gently caress, forgot the servers are down for another 12 hours.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:BRB, solofarming cragdad pony. (Seriously, un-cleanly stacked Weight is the bane of my existence.) Cragdad's not too bad unsync'd. Just spread out and loving eat a plume. Still got to deal with landslides, jails, and stomp knockback (and adds and their puddles), but the simple option of beating able to eat plumes and bombs works wonders for getting people through the fight alive. In the day, I saw way more deaths to slow plume dodging than I did to slow landslide dodging (even if the former is recoverable).
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Vil posted:Cragdad's not too bad unsync'd. Just spread out and loving eat a plume. Still got to deal with landslides, jails, and stomp knockback (and adds and their puddles), but the simple option of beating able to eat plumes and bombs works wonders for getting people through the fight alive. In the day, I saw way more deaths to slow plume dodging than I did to slow landslide dodging (even if the former is recoverable). Titan and Shiva are the most fun pony farms (Garuda deserves honorable mention for being piss easy) but gently caress that stingy rear end fish motherfucker Leviathan and his tedious-rear end fight and broken droprate.
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Boten Anna posted:Titan and Shiva are the most fun pony farms (Garuda deserves honorable mention for being piss easy) but gently caress that stingy rear end fish motherfucker Leviathan and his tedious-rear end fight and broken droprate. Farming Leviathan is painful. Most parties are synced because DPS don't know how to stop pressing their buttons.
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Ahah! The cause of the loss of Miqote butts revealed!
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Boten Anna posted:Marauder is good, Warrior is great, and post-50 warrior is goddamned amazing. Like you're kind of comparing classes you have at 60 (or at least, started at 30) with something you refuse to even get to the jobstone for. Fair enough if it doesn't interest you enough to level, but you have to at least *try* to wreck poo poo with chainsaws while main tanking before you can compare it to the other tanks with any authority. Yeah, I am comparing my level 60 classes that I have, which is why I gave the disclaimer that I couldn't comment on MRD/WAR. I would love to have WAR at 60, but I already have two tanking classes there, and it feels like the effort to level another tank class to 60 isn't time well spent especially since I only have 1 DPS class at 60 (SMN, which I only mainly got by leveling SCH). I'd like to have 2 tank classes, 2 healer classes, then 1 caster DPS, 1 support DPS and 1 melee DPS. After I get those, I'll probably go for more classes in terms of interest. Leveling alt classes is getting easier in 3.1 since they're adding more experience to Heavensward dungeons, at least.
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Boten Anna posted:Titan and Shiva are the most fun pony farms (Garuda deserves honorable mention for being piss easy) but gently caress that stingy rear end fish motherfucker Leviathan and his tedious-rear end fight and broken droprate. All I ever want is Leviathan's GLD sword to finish a Leviknight glamor thing. I got the pony four instances in back in 2.5 but all the way up to farming him last night I still have not seen the sword once. Now monk petas on the other hand dropped four times yesterday  (also gently caress mirrors too)
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I farmed Leviathan EX for roughly four hours a day for five days starting this past Tuesday and ending Saturday watching everyone get dumb horse but me until Saturday. I got glowy Leviathan weapons for every mage class and started passing on mirrors by like Thursday. I dunno how many people I saw get horse on first or second attempt but sometimes probability just hates you.
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