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Merry Magpie
Jan 8, 2012

A superstitious cowardly lot.

SunAndSpring posted:

Alright how do I get rid of the lovely cash register noise? I'm getting sick of this poo poo already.

Are you on PC?

If not, you can take perks to sometimes replace it with other annoying noises.

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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Merry Magpie posted:

I have to respectfully disagree, but I invite you to introduce any examples.
The entire synth subplot lacks ambiguity or any examination of humanity. Instead, it is a hackneyed metaphor for slavery with the Railroad making it abundantly obvious.


There are absolutely missions where the ambiguity is a part of it. There are several characters who are Synths and who it never comes up for unless you happen to murder them and check their bodies. Like the mission with the compound and the girl you have to rescue it turns out they were in fact entirely correct and she was a synth all along. There's also conflict over the idea that they can even be human. You have someone like Glory whose every line of dialogue is basically "So, uh, I'm pretty sure I'm alive but everyone keeps telling me I'm a machine" and who dies with the surprisingly uncomfortable line "isn't there supposed to be a light?" It's a hamfisted slavery metaphor but there is actual ambiguity presented in the story over if synths are legitimately living beings or just defective AIs. The story obviously favors the former but there are missions which hint at both and there's some uncomfortable subtext to the Railroad as well in that they 'free' synths by effectively killing them and replacing them with another person, something that is presented as kind of hosed up. Even though the slavery metaphor is pretty apt it goes along with the idea that synths are not individuals in the same way and you get things like that one guy you freed talking awkwardly about how everyone tells him it will be better if he erases himself where it's framed like his dying message.

The Shaun stuff on the other hand is utterly meaningless. It is your character's motivation but they don't need that motivation. Every single person you speak to once you leave the Vault talks about the Institute and every faction sidequest leads you there even without Shaun being brought into play. Father making you the Institute successor relies on you being his mother/father but only in the most trivial way and his actual reasoning for it (we need someone who is a leader, not a scientist) could just as readily apply to a Institute-friendly Wastelander instead. It theoretically gives your protagonist a motivation but then the rest of the game gives you plenty of other motivations to find out about the Institute instead.


Obviously this is tempered through "Bethesda is bad at writing." I am not claiming they are successful. Just that they tried.

ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Nov 9, 2015

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

TG-Chrono posted:

The defence of lovely narrative and characters in this, an RPG.

Would you defend Pillars of Eternity if someone called it poo poo compared to Lord of the Rings?

Kea
Oct 5, 2007

SunAndSpring posted:

Alright how do I get rid of the lovely cash register noise? I'm getting sick of this poo poo already.

This might be able to be modded out without needing the GECK equivalent.

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



It's unlocking 5 minutes early :derp:

Elderbean
Jun 10, 2013


Is there a way to reset your perks?

Parasara
Sep 17, 2014

Next time I see that woman, I'm shooting her, and not in the knee.
For those of you struggling to use an Aussie VPN, I just VPN'd from Stockholm and FO4 seems to be preparing for launch

MisterBibs
Jul 17, 2010

dolla dolla
bill y'all
Fun Shoe

TG-Chrono posted:

It's like Bethesda fans haven't seen Obsidian's latest effort, God's own Pillars of Eternity

Mainstream gamers not knowing about the spiritual sequel of a game that nobody played? I'm shocked.

Verranicus
Aug 18, 2009

by VideoGames
Playing it on PC now, and I'm surprised it runs as well as it does on such high settings. Game defaulted me to very high and I expect to have to turn some stuff down so I can record footage, but considering recent launches like Arkham Knight I'm pleased.

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


Pillars of Eternity is good. Fallout 4, though I have not yet played it, will probably also be good.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Parasara posted:

For those of you struggling to use an Aussie VPN, I just VPN'd from Stockholm and FO4 seems to be preparing for launch

Did you have to change your Store Settings or just run it with the VPN?

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:

Wait on a price drop and pick it up on PC deeply discounted. Game won't ever be better but it will be cheaper
Mods. FNV was significantly improved by them and it was starting from a better place, and every other Bethesda game was drastically improved. There's really no reason to get a Bethesda game at release, IMO.

FormatAmerica
Jun 3, 2005
Grimey Drawer

AlternateAccount posted:

Did you have to change your Store Settings or just run it with the VPN?

Just VPN, worked for me as well right now.

NWO
Oct 2, 2005

Press butan for porn
Well, I'm running it surprisingly well on my rig from 1989. If anybody is interested;

X4 631 @ 3.1Ghz
8GB RAM
Slightly fettled GTX460 (The 768Mb version, believe it or not.)
Latest nVidia drivers

Granted, everything is as low as possible, but the result is pretty smooth even at 1080p. Tad choppy in deep bushy areas but overall manageable.

I should really upgrade..

Pretzel Rod Serling
Aug 6, 2008



Ravenfood posted:

Mods. FNV was significantly improved by them and it was starting from a better place, and every other Bethesda game was drastically improved. There's really no reason to get a Bethesda game at release, IMO.

That's true but I'm not going to give a bad game points because motivated players who paid $60 plus time invested can fix it

GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007

How the gently caress do I scrap all these junk items?

Max Wilco
Jan 23, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

MisterBibs posted:

Mainstream gamers not knowing about the spiritual sequel of a game that nobody played? I'm shocked.

Nascent Bethesda fans were playing games that punted PS:T into the pit of gaming obscurity back then.

I would argue that PoE was more styled off of Baldur's Gate, or the Infinity Engine games in general.

ImpAtom posted:

The Shaun stuff on the other hand is utterly meaningless. It is your character's motivation but they don't need that motivation. Every single person you speak to once you leave the Vault talks about the Institute and every faction sidequest leads you there even without Shaun being brought into play. Father making you the Institute successor relies on you being his mother/father but only in the most trivial way and his actual reasoning for it (we need someone who is a leader, not a scientist) could just as readily apply to a Institute-friendly Wastelander instead. It theoretically gives your protagonist a motivation but then the rest of the game gives you plenty of other motivations to find out about the Institute instead.

Obviously this is tempered through "Bethesda is bad at writing." I am not claiming they are successful. Just that they tried.
Having read this, it sounds like the borrowed the plot from Snatcher, in the sense that Shaun is like Harry Benson and Elijah Modnar combined into a single character.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

GreenBuckanneer posted:

How the gently caress do I scrap all these junk items?

I think you have to take it to a settlement or home like the garage to be able to scrap the item.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:

That's true but I'm not going to give a bad game points because motivated players who paid $60 plus time invested can fix it

Yeah but give credit at least for making it so easily moddable. It's not like that's the norm for games.

Most AAA games come out and are poo poo on release and get some patches and that's about it.

Cthulhuite
Mar 22, 2007

Shwmae!
I think it also autoscraps items if you're in the settlement building GUI, as opposed to just collecting things as you're exploring.

Rockybar
Sep 3, 2008

Put my settings down to minimum and still getting lag spikes taking it down to 40 or so fps, so guess my cpu really is to blame :shrug:

Merry Magpie
Jan 8, 2012

A superstitious cowardly lot.

ImpAtom posted:


There are absolutely missions where the ambiguity is a part of it. There are several characters who are Synths and who it never comes up for unless you happen to murder them and check their bodies. Like the mission with the compound and the girl you have to rescue it turns out they were in fact entirely correct and she was a synth all along. There's also conflict over the idea that they can even be human. You have someone like Glory whose every line of dialogue is basically "So, uh, I'm pretty sure I'm alive but everyone keeps telling me I'm a machine" and who dies with the surprisingly uncomfortable line "isn't there supposed to be a light?" It's a hamfisted slavery metaphor but there is actual ambiguity presented in the story over if synths are legitimately living beings or just defective AIs. The story obviously favors the former but there are missions which hint at both and there's some uncomfortable subtext to the Railroad as well in that they 'free' synths by effectively killing them and replacing them with another person, something that is presented as kind of hosed up.

The Shaun stuff on the other hand is utterly meaningless. It is your character's motivation but they don't need that motivation. Every single person you speak to once you leave the Vault talks about the Institute and every faction sidequest leads you there even without Shaun being brought into play. Father making you the Institute successor relies on you being his mother/father but only in the most trivial way and his actual reasoning for it (we need someone who is a leader, not a scientist) could just as readily apply to a Institute-friendly Wastelander instead.


Obviously this is tempered through "Bethesda is bad at writing." I am not claiming they are successful. Just that they tried.

Glory is entirely aware she is a synth.
Valentine, despite looking like a broken mannequin in a trench coat, has more characterization than any other companion.
The game broadly paints advanced synths as sapient beings.

The only proponents of the "defective AI" position are the Institute, the glaringly obvious villains responsible for murdering and replacing people. They are also biased because they are reliant on synth labor.

It is hard to read this as moral ambiguity on the nature of synths.

On your second point, I completely agree.
The player has no reason to care about a spouse and child they met minutes ago.
Bethesda chose to make it central to the plot and the character's motivation. It is simply bad writing.

Odette
Mar 19, 2011

PC UI is loving balls.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Speedball posted:

This video would have sold me if I wasn't already. Nice.

Also of note is the character :v:

Building an ultra goober character is awesome and the animation fluidity is terrifying.

VanillaGorilla
Oct 2, 2003

So, bringing this back to see if there are more responses now : can anyone comment on differences between hard and normal? I like the idea of more legendary mobs spawning (and their gear), but don't want to deal with everything becoming a massive sponge. Is there a huge difference in spawns between the two?

GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007

Crabtree posted:

I think you have to take it to a settlement or home like the garage to be able to scrap the item.

I really hope you're not saying I gotta dump all these items on the floor of my settlement and scrap em one by one. There's got to be an easier way.

Odette posted:

PC UI is loving balls.

Yeah, it's pretty awful. Hotkeys are all wrong, the interface is not consistent in what buttons are okay to press (e and enter do the same thing!!), etc

F for favorites? wtf is this poo poo, get outa here, bind that poo poo to 1-4 asswipes

Mr Beens
Dec 2, 2006

GreenBuckanneer posted:

How the gently caress do I scrap all these junk items?

Go to work bench, select deposit all junk.
When crafting it will automatically extract the materials you need.
The only things you need to scrap manually are all the big items already in the world that you can't pickup like trees and cars

Mr Beens fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Nov 10, 2015

Pretzel Rod Serling
Aug 6, 2008



Moridin920 posted:

Yeah but give credit at least for making it so easily moddable. It's not like that's the norm for games.

Most AAA games come out and are poo poo on release and get some patches and that's about it.

Yeah, that's true. That and playing a silent blank slate amid all the stupid Cinematic RPG Experiences of this era is why I play Bethesda games and, well...

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQi8yERBWI0
best review

redwalrus
Jul 27, 2013

:stoke:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013


I really wish I could buy a voice pack to make the main character geordie.

E: And also a gopher.

Verranicus
Aug 18, 2009

by VideoGames

That's cute.

vandalism
Aug 4, 2003
I downloaded the game all day at work and used the VPN thing to fully load the game, but my laptop is poo poo so the game failed to run. I'm trying to copy it over to my desktop at home using a homegroup, but that is nothing but endless hassles. I got it over and started steam in offline mode and it said that it wasn't ready to play in offline mode. Fine. I have the whole 25.2gb in my common folder, whatever. I get the vpn on my desktop and begin to launch steam. It shows that the game isn't even preloaded or anything. I deleted it and am transferring the files over from my laptop to the desktop again. ANy advice?

Pretzel Rod Serling
Aug 6, 2008




oh wow u were right, this is the best review

nosl
Jan 17, 2015

CHIM, bitch!

Mystic Stylez posted:

How is the PC performance? Will I be able to run this with decent graphics and framerate at 1600x900 in a i5 3570/GTX660/16GB of RAM?

You can literally find this answer multiple times in the thread, even though it is not directly answered. You also neglected to say what specs you'd be running it on.

For reference, I upgraded from an i5 2500k and GTX 660 to a GTX 970 and i7 4790k just to run this game on ultra settings with max shadows and godrays, and I think I still might have to turn godrays down.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014


Masterful.

Republicans
Oct 14, 2003

- More money for us

- Fuck you


What exactly does the first rank of Local Leader do? Does it just create a shared inventory for resources among all workbenches?

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Merry Magpie posted:

The only proponents of the "defective AI" position are the Institute, the glaringly obvious villains responsible for murdering and replacing people. They are also biased because they are reliant on synth labor.

There are others in other sidequests and as I said the Railroad is weird in that they are pro-freeing Synths but pretty straightforwardly do not view the synths as actual individuals. They are more interested in freeing them physically than actually freeing the person. I'd say this is just bad Bethesda writing but they actually have characters bring it up so the intended it. There are more sympathetic characters who don't really like synths, partially due to the extreme paranoia around them and just partially due to liking the idea. They really want this to be a theme of the game because people bring it up constantly, they're just not great at following through.

The game obviously wants you to be pro-synth but it tries, ineptly, to pain some ambiguity there. I suspect half the reason the Institute is so needlessly cacklingly evil is because they couldn't find a better way to make you pick the 'right' choice because the institute's synth-replacement stuff doesn't actually make any sense. Some of it is explained as the railroad being involved but some of it is just goofy evil because otherwise people might pick to side with their stupid son.

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


Does anyone have that heat map that was posted earlier of the enemy levels in various areas?

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Republicans
Oct 14, 2003

- More money for us

- Fuck you


Odette posted:

PC UI is loving balls.

Just let me double-tap R to scrap the drat trees! :argh:

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