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bobbilljim posted:red hat is based on fedora, really? it's the upstream, yean
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Symbolic Butt posted:I looked into scl as first mentioned by MrMoo itt but scl is kind of roundabout with the sourcing the context and poo poo so I decided to just go with epel and... well loving use anaconda you fucker
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:it's the upstream, yean huh i always thought it was the other way around, because i don't know jack poo poo about the differences between linuxes except for the logos. i decided to educate myself and found this lol quote:July 4, 29; August 19 2002 lmbo what were the circumstances, i don't get it. did they name it something unsavory?
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Nov 10, 2015 01:49
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Nov 10, 2015 01:55
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is "centos fonts hosed" a good enough reason to re-install linux, but this time a fedora? my idiot opinion is 'yes', and away i go
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Barnyard Protein posted:is "centos fonts hosed" a good enough reason to re-install linux, but this time a fedora? my idiot opinion is 'yes', and away i go if you're using centos as a desktop operation system then you already hosed up. install fedora.
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Nov 10, 2015 01:58
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Barnyard Protein posted:is "centos fonts hosed" a good enough reason to re-install linux, but this time a fedora? my idiot opinion is 'yes', and away i go are you using centos like, on a desktop? don't do that!
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Nov 10, 2015 01:59
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don't use Linux on your desktop. or really don't use Linux anywhere
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Nov 10, 2015 02:00
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calm down its a laptop
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Linux on the desktop has made it into the mainstream - http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/11/new-encryption-ransomware-targets-linux-systems/
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hells yeah. unlike centos, fedora correctly detected the windows 7 partition and configured grub right and didn't repeatedly and ironically crash on the "kdump" config screen. and these fonds, well these fonts are Nice.
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Nov 10, 2015 02:14
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it was probably 16 years ago that i installed my first linux. it took the better part of the weekend just to do the install, i had to figure out stuff like partition the drive by sectors. and then recompile the kernel to get the soundblaster to work. and then re-install linux again to fix the fuckup from doing a bad job compiling the kernel. then waiting a week to find a us robotics serial modem because nobody had written a drive for my win modem. and now here i am 16 years later, installed a linux real quick, and everything works. and the fonts look nice. lads, i think linux is ready for the laptop.
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Nov 10, 2015 02:23
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jony neuemonic posted:python rules if you just want portable / saner bash.
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Suspicious Dish posted:i guess my question is why you trust the OS vendor to patch and update third-party software better than the software vendor. i have contracts with canonical and red hat. i'm not going to sign hundreds of other contracts with consultants to try and get that level of support from upstream authors additionally, i can rely on redhat to maintain a stable base for 10 years at a time. they'll backport security fixes without expecting me to upgrade to the newest versions of software
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crazypenguin posted:we could have had this ages ago, and we probably still will get it... eventually. bundling is not real popular inside of a distribution because it flies in the face of their internal operations. there's a guy who handles libxml, and a guy who handles nokogiri, and the nokogiri guy doesn't want to worry about libxml versioning / security issues and vice versa. if you are an isv or an end user, sure, bundling is a halfway reasonable option. you're gonna want to keep a close eye on a whole lot of security mailing lists though. do a find on your virtualenv or bundler directories -- there's a lotta fuckin SOs in there.
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the best python
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Shaggar posted:don't use Linux on your desktop. or really don't use Linux anywhere it's too late for that dude, even microsoft uses linux for some things these days, it ain't going away any time soon
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Soricidus posted:it's too late for that dude, even microsoft uses linux for some things these days, it ain't going away any time soon microsoft <3 linux
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tbh linux rules
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linux is the best *nix
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actually its apple operating system x 10.11.1 el capitan
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pram posted:actually its apple operating system x 10.11.1 el capitan it's good
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anaconda is great but I'm not using any of the scientific stuff for this so I was hoping I could get away with a basic python 3 installation I think the takeaway from this is that yes, just doing stuff in python 2 is still the less problematic option in the year of 2015
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I just realized that I could use just miniconda HMMMM
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Symbolic Butt posted:I think the takeaway from this is that yes, just doing stuff in python 2 is still the less problematic option in the year of 2015 gently caress you for this, red hat, py3 is part of the base image in the most recent stable version of every distribution except RHEL, and i bet it took specific effort to exclude it from RHEL 7 since it was in that fedora release (dont remember which one) e: fedora 19, and python 3.3.2 is present in the live image, im debating whether i want to actually install it to disk to see if its there in an actual install Lysidas fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Nov 10, 2015 |
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so far the only way fedora is worse for working on this dumb poo poo i'm working on is that i can't figure out how to export my cisco vpn ssl cert in a way that openconnect can read. otherwise, boy oh boy is it needs suiting. wtf is up with `yum` being deprecated? i thought it was the thing people liked.
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lol no. people hate yum, it's slow as poo poo
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I used to be a big yum advocate a long time ago because I thought Debian users were retards but I was wrong. apt was and continues to be far superior
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i thought the freebsd ports system was good. where you just have a huge hierarchy of make files and say "oh look another one of those games where you push around blocks to the right place, nice,. make && make install"
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Barnyard Protein posted:i thought the freebsd ports system was good. where you just have a huge hierarchy of make files and say "oh look another one of those games where you push around blocks to the right place, nice,. make && make install" you can still do this except it's usually just one command now. mostly you can set it all to auto-update so it just seamlessly patches itself, works well
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pacman shits on both deb+apt and rpm+dnf arch is really really ftw in a lot of ways, it would be nice if there was some sort of RHEL style long-term-supported snapshot derivative.
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unfortunately it still uses the equivalent of maintaner scripts running as root in order to install/uninstall stuff instead of being declarative (loving MSI of all things gets this right). But the package format is very simple & nice and idk why deb is so stupid complex by comparison. other than that though, imagine apt and dpkg, except lightning fast. and instead of using apt-get for some thing, apt-cache for others, and dpkg for other poo poo you just use one command apt-cache search xterm apt-cache show xterm apt-get install xterm dpkg -s xterm dpkg -L xterm dpkg -S /usr/bin/xterm becomes pacman -Ss xterm pacman -Si xterm pacman -S xterm pacman -Qi xterm pacman -Ql xterm pacman -Qo /usr/bin/xterm
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Mr Dog posted:pacman shits on both deb+apt and rpm+dnf lol in general
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Mr Dog posted:other than that though, imagine apt and dpkg, except lightning fast. and instead of using apt-get for some thing, apt-cache for others, and dpkg for other poo poo you just use one command.
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