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communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
Surprised that we had no discussion of a serving General being backed by No.10 after publically criticising the policy of the political opposition. The government's (horseshit) justification is that it was appropriate because he's the government's defence adviser.

Allowing a serving general to dip his toes into politics is setting a dirty, horrible precedent. You can insert your own slippery slope argument here.

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Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you

Oberleutnant posted:

Surprised that we had no discussion of a serving General being backed by No.10 after publically criticising the policy of the political opposition. The government's (horseshit) justification is that it was appropriate because he's the government's defence adviser.

Allowing a serving general to dip his toes into politics is setting a dirty, horrible precedent. You can insert your own slippery slope argument here.

I wish I could be surprised by it, but this government in particular has shown that it has no qualms about any seedy business so long as it works in their short term advantage. It goes beyond competing ideologies or corporate capture - they're all round a bunch of power hungry scumbags.

AttitudeAdjuster
May 2, 2010
The Armed Forces interfering in politics is pretty loving terrifying but I'm sure that the right-wing commentariat who are all about the Liberty will be criticising this in the strongest possible terms.

Who am I kidding, we're hosed.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Yeah I saw that - I'm sure I saw reports of them basically reinforcing what he said too. Not too surprising since he didn't just magically appear on TV in full dress uniform to spout some reckons. Nice to know being a government advisor means you get carte blanche to propagandise in the media!

This is a great photo choice

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Crashbee posted:

She's also a black woman in a position of power who once said something bad about white people, which is what right-wingers seem to hate the most.

You're overthinking it. She's a black woman who hosed a white man. That's all right wingers need to hate her.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

baka kaba posted:

Yeah I saw that - I'm sure I saw reports of them basically reinforcing what he said too. Not too surprising since he didn't just magically appear on TV in full dress uniform to spout some reckons. Nice to know being a government advisor means you get carte blanche to propagandise in the media!

This is a great photo choice


It's not unethical if you're slagging off Corbyn, duh.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Jedit posted:

You're overthinking it. She's a black woman who hosed a white man. That's all right wingers need to hate her.

Somewhere on Bizarro D&D there's a monthly UK thread filled with nothing but "Jeremy Corbyn hosed a black woman" in various permutations

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house

Jedit posted:

You're overthinking it. She's a black woman who hosed a white man. That's all right wingers need to hate her.

In both senses of the word, I guess.

Also it's pretty drat scary that military officials are taking a partisan stance on issues rather than being the glorified civil servants they are.

Glad to know that politicians have to answer to the military, which makes us a model democracy rather than a military dictatorship.

Crashbee
May 15, 2007

Stupid people are great at winning arguments, because they're too stupid to realize they've lost.

Jedit posted:

You're overthinking it. She's a black woman who hosed a white man. That's all right wingers need to hate her.

Well either way they definitely like accusing her of racism. There's a guy on Guido Fawkes who does nothing but call her a 'fat loving racist cow' for example.

Crashbee fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Nov 10, 2015

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Crashbee posted:

Well either way they definitely like accusing her of racism. There's a guy on Guido Fawkes who does nothing but call her a 'fat loving racist cow' for example.

You'd think if you wanted to call someone racist and take the high ground then you wouldn't immediately follow with a sexist insult, but then I guess sexism (against women) doesn't exist in TYOOL 2015 and the only kind of discrimination that's important now is that against white men.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Noxville posted:

He'll get nothing but the most minor concessions (because he and his team are the worst negotiatiors) and hold these up as a grand victory that justifies a Stay vote because as one of the rich countries the EU is worth too much money to us to justify leaving.

Every single thing Cameron does reminds me how shocked I was that they got a majority. It just feels like nobody pays attention to anything.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Red Ed eat the sandwich. It was the Sun wot won it. Etc.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
Cameron has released the Kraken his demands for Britain's EU membership renegotiation:








Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves, Britons never never shall be slaves to brussels-based banana straighteners

LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Nov 10, 2015

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
"I want this to be a formal, binding , and irreversible way" - Whatever happened to no Parliament being able to bind any future Parliament?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
"Free flow of capital, goods, and services, but not people or labour."

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
And of course I know the answer here is that a change to the EU's treaty in respect of Britain isn't actually legally binding Parliament in any way - it's binding the EU in its relationship to Parliament, which is either utterly meaningless because a different parliament could ask (and get an agreement to) renegotiate these agreements yet again, or it's a dirty as gently caress way to circumvent one of the cornerstones of our Parliamentary system.
Either or.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
My rough take is that the Economic Governance stuff is perfectly reasonable and will win strong support from the other non-eurozone Member States (it basically boils down to "you lot have chosen to shackle yourselves into a completely unworkable monetary union and hey, that's your business, but don't drag us under if you founder or expect us to pay to keep your shitshow afloat"), the Competitiveness stuff is so vague and woolly as to be meaningless, the Sovereignty stuff is harmless verbiage for the most part and won't upset anybody but the most ardent euro-federalists, and the Immigration one is going to be incredibly contentious.

So no real surprises, I guess.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Angepain posted:

Somewhere on Bizarro D&D there's a monthly UK thread filled with nothing but "Jeremy Corbyn hosed a black woman" in various permutations

Actually, traditionally rightwingers have not had a problem with this specific combination (which is why black people in the New World tend to come in a variety of shades of brown). If she were a dude, or if they got married or something, sure.

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.
Just watched the final hustings for the Labour leadership for the first time today after missing it many moons ago. Looking back on the race and the candidates, it's fun to see Jeremy Corbyn so decisive and upstanding in his views and beliefs on the questions, while the others felt so cagey and "politician" about the whole thing. Their measured tones and rhythmic speech patternation as if set to a loving metronome. And Andy Burnham, oh my God. With his immaculately plucked eyebrows and polished, porcelain features, powdered and preened to lifeless perfection. Jesus how could anyone have supported such a man.

Yeah, looking back at it all it's hard to see how Corbyn could not win.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

quote:

It means addressing the fact that it is easier for an EU citizen to bring a non-EU spouse to Britain than it is for a British citizen to do the same.

I know what he's getting at but lol at having the audacity to phrase it like British citizens have the EU to blame

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



DesperateDan posted:

All the good intentions and policies regarding school lunches are not really going to make a difference without getting through to the parents. My kids school has a really good lunches program that uses locally produced stuff where possible, still doesn't stop me seeing 5 year old kids on the school run having a breakfast of coke and a mars bar forced into them before the gates.


I did it. But rather than sweets it was discs full of the best porn the late 90's internet had to offer, then duty free cigarettes when that ring got busted (snitches deserve stitches)

I'm old school. My Dad worked in Libya when there were no direct flights back to England, so he often came back through Amsterdam. Consequently, be had a big cardboard box of eyewateringly hardcore euro porn. At lunchtimes, I ran a smut palace, charging per head for the viewing, and mixing drinks for the punters for additional extortionate charges.

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

Kokoro Wish posted:

And Andy Burnham, oh my God. With his immaculately plucked eyebrows and polished, porcelain features, powdered and preened to lifeless perfection. Jesus how could anyone have supported such a man.

Andy Burnham isn't a man, he's an animatronic.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Noxville posted:

Andy Burnham isn't a man, he's an animatronic.

Only registered members can see post attachments!

Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.

That was literally my first thought when I saw him. Though I guess my brain was being kind at the time and I imagined more of a Captain Scarlet rather than a Stingray.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Next to Burnham that puppet oozes charisma (and probably has stronger political convictions)

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
A critique of Thunderbirds as propaganda for bourgeois philanthropy enabled by laissez faire economic policies, in 3 volumes.

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Digby Jones is a shouty moron who only cares about grinding the poor under his fat foot.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Kokoro Wish posted:

That was literally my first thought when I saw him. Though I guess my brain was being kind at the time and I imagined more of a Captain Scarlet rather than a Stingray.
Captain Pastel Pink

Oberleutnant posted:

A critique of Thunderbirds as propaganda for bourgeois philanthropy enabled by laissez faire economic policies, in 3 volumes.
Would read.

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Guavanaut posted:

Captain Pastel Pink

Would read.

Captain Puce.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

The government have had to cancel a cross party trip to China to build relations because Danczuk refused to fly economy.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

Baron Corbyn posted:

The government have had to cancel a cross party trip to China to build relations because Danczuk refused to fly economy.

what really

good grief that man is a right prat, isn't he

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Baron Corbyn posted:

The government have had to cancel a cross party trip to China to build relations because Danczuk refused to fly economy.

Time to have the courage of your convictions, Danczuk, and cross the floor. Or see if Carswell wants some company.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Kokoro Wish posted:

Just watched the final hustings for the Labour leadership for the first time today after missing it many moons ago. Looking back on the race and the candidates, it's fun to see Jeremy Corbyn so decisive and upstanding in his views and beliefs on the questions, while the others felt so cagey and "politician" about the whole thing. Their measured tones and rhythmic speech patternation as if set to a loving metronome. And Andy Burnham, oh my God. With his immaculately plucked eyebrows and polished, porcelain features, powdered and preened to lifeless perfection. Jesus how could anyone have supported such a man.

Yeah, looking back at it all it's hard to see how Corbyn could not win.

https://storify.com/willowhisky/corbyn-cannot-win-tweets-from-verified-accounts

Still my favourite thing from Corbyn's win.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
Remember when people though Liz Kendall might win? lol

Kegluneq
Feb 18, 2011

Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

Baron Corbyn posted:

The government have had to cancel a cross party trip to China to build relations because Danczuk refused to fly economy.



lol

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Look at this poo poo. Look at it!

Sweden calls on army to help manage refugee crisis
Military chiefs to aid migration agencies as Scandinavian country that has taken far beyond its share of migrants strains from sheer weight of numbers


Sweden's struggling to deal with the sheer number of refugees they're taking in, that they've called in the army... to help with admin and logistics. I'll just sprinkle in a few quotes so we can compare and contrast with our fine nation

quote:

On Monday, military officers were sent to help coordinate logistics at Migrationsverket, Sweden’s refugee and immigration agency. They will be involved at a management level, rather than on the ground.

For several weeks, Migrationsverket has already been working with the country’s civil contingencies agency (MSB), a department usually involved in the aftermath of natural disasters or in overseas humanitarian catastrophes. The severely short-staffed migration agency cannot find enough housing for refugees, some of whom have been forced to sleep on the floor of reception centres. Despite some centres quadrupling their manpower in recent months, many agency officials are working double-shifts and weekends.

quote:

Sweden is bearing a disproportional burden of the European refugee crisis, due in part to its pledge in 2013 to provide permanent residency to almost any Syrian who reached Swedish soil. Of the roughly 800,000 people to have arrived in Europe by sea this year, at least one in seven have ended up in Sweden, even though the country accounts for just one in 50 EU citizens. So far in 2015, more than 120,000 people have applied for asylum in Sweden.

Migrationsverket expects the total number of refugees to reach about 170,000 by the end of the year, with 10,000 people arriving every week, compared with 4,000 during the summer.

quote:

In the medium-term, the situation is not so dire. The government has identified potential space in sports halls and other public buildings for an extra 66,000 arrivals, just under half of which could be converted without too many adjustments. But in the short term, ready-to-use space is proving hard to find due to a combination of allegedly greedy landlords, arsonists and health-and-safety laws. Vandals have set fire to several sites earmarked for refugees, while the agency blames legislative bureaucracy for the delay in opening a series of tent cities in southern Sweden.

quote:

Others feel that any dereliction of duties to refugees would mark an abandonment of the core tenets of Sweden’s social democracy. “Our society is built on the principle that people are entitled to the same as everyone else,” said the secretary-general of the Swedish bar association, Anne Ramberg, as she waited to provide legal advice to new refugee arrivals at Stockholm central station. “But we are in a situation where we can’t even give refugees housing.”

The answer, Ramberg argued, is not for Sweden to lower its standards, but for the rest of the world’s richest continent to take on its fair share. “A crisis for us,” said Ramberg, “is very different from the crisis in Jordan or Lebanon,” two countries where refugees are estimated to respectively constitute around a tenth and a quarter of the total population. “We could take these people if we had solidarity between EU countries. We are a continent of 500 million people – of course we could do it. But there’s no solidarity. It’s just Germany and Sweden.”

Scikar
Nov 20, 2005

5? Seriously?

The Saurus posted:

Surely at this point no one can possibly take the right-wing press seriously when it comes to Corbyn. They're attacking him for the depth of his bow and being incredibly disrespectful about remembrance day at the same time. How much more ridiculous can this get in the next 5 years? Or are they expecting Labour will coup him and become lite Tories again because they can't bear the bad press?

How much more ridiculous, you ask?



Not content with creating a bullshit story about Corbyn on Remembrance Sunday just to attack him, they now attack him for being attacked on Remembrance Sunday. :psyduck:

Captain Mediocre
Oct 14, 2005

Saving lives and money!

So the announcement of a 30% cut to Local Government funding has created a shitstorm in my county. Total freeze on all non-essential expenditure until the end of the year at least. We can't fill any of the gaping vital vacancies or even print a single page in colour :suicide:

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

If the mud doesn't stick, claim it was all a devious ploy to get attention all along

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PiCroft
Jun 11, 2010

I'm sorry, did I break all your shit? I didn't know it was yours

There was a Daily politics episode (Might have been Sunday Politics actually) where two labour MPs - one for Corbyn, the other against - and the against guy said that the problem with all the Corbyn supporters was that they flooded in, made their vote (lumbered them with Corbyn was his turn of phrase I think) and their membership soared. Now when they contact the new people to plan activism and such, none of the newcomers show up.

I think they're afraid the new people who voted Corbyn did it as a larf, or because it was something new and exciting and when the time comes to put the legwork in (or even vote, I guess) they won't be around.

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