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The REAL Goobusters posted:If you don't like the new Grimes because its "too mainstream" or way too "pop" then you're just an idiot imo. Personally her old stuff was like ok at best but it was missing something, like some intense energy and she delivers that with spades on this album (and her live show, just saw her this weekend and she loving killed it). Let's not revise history. Art Angels owns, but Visions owns too and was legitimately one of the best albums the year it came out. Like, we wouldn't be debating this album if there weren't so many expectations and concerns about how she would follow up the last one (compared to how Visions kinda appeared "out of the blue" after the actually okay Geidi Primes).
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detectivemonkey posted:Indie Rock/Pop/Folk/Electronic Megathread: Just kidding about the pop part Meh, it's all been a flat circle since Kelly Clarkson, anyway. Throw in Annie, Robyn, and the New Wave revival...
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The Modern Leper posted:Let's not revise history. Art Angels owns, but Visions owns too and was legitimately one of the best albums the year it came out. Like, we wouldn't be debating this album if there weren't so many expectations and concerns about how she would follow up the last one (compared to how Visions kinda appeared "out of the blue" after the actually okay Geidi Primes). Um I said personally in my opinion I didn't really like her old stuff including visions.
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Nov 10, 2015 01:01
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Nov 10, 2015 03:23
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Just got home from seeing Grimes. Fuuuuuuuuuuuck, that was even more fun than I thought it would be. She only played for like an hour, but man, what an hour. Genesis, Oblivion, Kill v Maim, Venus Fly...she played pretty much everything I wanted to hear. The show must've been sold out too. I was in the front row but it was like wall to wall people all dancing together. So much fun. And her dancers were mesmerizing too  And in a weird twist, the opener (Nicole Dollanganger) was kind of a metal act? But was really good. That was interesting.
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Nov 10, 2015 06:46
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I don't care about Pitchfork scores, but I was really looking forward to see how much poo poo they would fling at her new album. Well, turns out, none.
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Jack's Flow posted:I don't care about Pitchfork scores, but I was really looking forward to see how much poo poo they would fling at her new album. Well, turns out, none. They aren't all against artist embracing a more pop sound, they review pop and other mainstream poo poo often. Also, it's a per reviewer site.. so you're essentially getting one person's opinion that is generally accepted by the site. Plenty of others could have thought it was garbage but they didn't review it. I could have told you as soon as she announced a new album it would be one of their Best New Music features, before the album was ever heard.
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Jack's Flow posted:I don't care about Pitchfork scores, but I was really looking forward to see how much poo poo they would fling at her new album. Well, turns out, none. I mean, Pitchfork seems to still buy into that whole stupid rockist/poptimist dichotomy so it's not surprising they'd declare it, "...a gilded coffin nail to outmoded sexist arguments that women in pop are constructed products, a mere frame for male producers' talents—that because their music is immaculate, they are somehow not authentic."
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Nov 10, 2015 16:42
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I find it funny how much they post about her when she's been pretty vocal about her dislike for the site and the way they present her.
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Nov 10, 2015 17:11
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Would be worse if Schreiber decided to hold a petty grudge in retaliation and not give one of the most polarizing and interesting people in modern music a lot of attention and (I know, I know) drive views to the site, probably
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Paperback Writer posted:I find it funny how much they post about her when she's been pretty vocal about her dislike for the site and the way they present her. "California" is literally a Pitchfork diss track
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ThatsMyBoye posted:Would be worse if Schreiber decided to hold a petty grudge in retaliation and not give one of the most polarizing and interesting people in modern music a lot of attention and (I know, I know) drive views to the site, probably Grimes is not one of the most polarizing or interfering people in modern music hth
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Nov 10, 2015 21:25
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Nov 10, 2015 21:37
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Huh...I always thought HTH meant "hand to heart." Never really though to look it up.
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Nov 10, 2015 22:15
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Grimes feels like one of the most polarizing figures in modern music. Pretty hard to stay neutral on her considering her music and her outspokenness. I know I disliked her after she basically disowned her best songs because she didn't like that they became popular. I only was given more context in it after that New Yorker article about her.
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Nov 11, 2015 04:42
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I really don't give a poo poo about Grimes and don't get the fuss over her average as gently caress music 
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Nov 11, 2015 06:44
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what the hell are you listening to where a song like Oblivion or Realiti is "average" because I want to be listening to that too
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Nov 11, 2015 07:02
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I should have tacked on "in my opinion" but yeah Grimes is really not that great to me, oh well different tastes and all that.
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Nov 11, 2015 09:52
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uggy posted:Grimes feels like one of the most polarizing figures in modern music. Pretty hard to stay neutral on her considering her music and her outspokenness. I know I disliked her after she basically disowned her best songs because she didn't like that they became popular. I only was given more context in it after that New Yorker article about her. She was right. Her new stuff is much better.
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Nov 11, 2015 11:19
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I guess I'm not that odd for finding Grimes' music to be a bit... meh. The music itself isn't interesting and her videos make her look like an artist parodied in a TV show or a movie, but I think that's intentional on her part.
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Nov 11, 2015 12:39
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Can I say she's polarizing as to whether people find her polarizing? Maybe that would count
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Nov 11, 2015 16:13
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Grimes music is definitely interesting, she really has top, top production. The overall songwriting is where she falls short for me, she has some great tunes but most of them are dull and forgettable beyond the psychedelic production.
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Nov 11, 2015 16:20
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I'd be really intrigued for somebody to give me some examples of other modern indie artists who are as polarizing as grimes. I can't think of many musicians, indie or not, who have as many think pieces written about her. Taylor swift? Kanye? Frank Ocean? Grimes is a critical darling of both indie sites and mainstream sites, her sound is unusual enough to be interesting to both casual listeners and people, like me, who listen to a lot of pitchfork poo poo. And she's drat talented. She feels very much in line with her age and the generation she's a part of and I think she is a very prominent figure in pop culture. loving everybody has an opinion on grimes, I don't know how anybody wouldn't say she's polarizing.
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Nov 11, 2015 16:46
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Pitchfork forgot to review the newest Small Black album, chillwave is truly dead.
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Nov 11, 2015 16:54
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Legitimately never heard of Grimes until a week ago, from this thread.
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Nov 11, 2015 17:24
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"Oblivion" has always reminded me of "The Goonies R Good Enough" by Cyndi Lauper
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Nov 11, 2015 17:30
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I've just never heard anyone talk about her irl and I sincerely thought whichever one of you called polarizing and controversial were joking. Kanye has been, at times, a controversial artist. Not taylor swift. Kanye when he did that taylor swift poo poo, yes. Lady gaga sometimes. Miley Cyrus. No one is thinking about grimes. Pitchfork will give her next album below a 7 because they treat their darlings like poo poo after a good review or so.
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rear end Catchcum posted:I've just never heard anyone talk about her irl and I sincerely thought whichever one of you called polarizing and controversial were joking. Kanye has been, at times, a controversial artist. Not taylor swift. Kanye when he did that taylor swift poo poo, yes. Lady gaga sometimes. Miley Cyrus. No one is thinking about grimes. Pitchfork will give her next album below a 7 because they treat their darlings like poo poo after a good review or so. I hadn't heard of her until this thread a week or two ago. I will say I'm enjoying the album the more I listen to it, but it feels pretty straight-pop (but slightly above the average). I wouldn't call her legitimately polarizing either. I think most of that comes the fact that it sounds fairly standard and so many people are going gaga over it that folks go "wait.. what? That's your bag? Huh, wouldn't have thought so." And then that gets construed as polarization.
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She's polarizing in the indie world, you're talking main stream poo poo... Kayne? Gaga? Cyrus? yeah.... This is an indie thread. She openly admits to loving Korn, Disturbed, poo poo like that when she was young. She is one of the weird feminist who does things a lot of extreme feminist do not like. She is pop first, not much rock in her music even though there are clear influences. These are just a few reasons why she is polarizing i'd say. Also the very obvious fact that some hate her music/voice, some love it..... The big thing is again, she is a synth driven act, and indie has clearly shifted towards that in the last ten years... so you have the old school Arcade Fire loving indie people pushing into their 30s vs the new school Chrvches loving kids being put into the same genre label when those artists aren't very similar. Polarizing. The cool thing though is people who love "indie" stuff are usually the most open when it comes to music and can appreciate both the rock/pop guitar/synth contrasts, most.
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T Bowl posted:She openly admits to loving Korn, Disturbed, poo poo like that when she was young. I can't tell if you're dumb or just boring. You're so polarizing.
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rear end Catchcum posted:I can't tell if you're dumb or just boring. You're so polarizing. I REALLY NEED TO SHUT THE gently caress UP FOREVER.
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quote:Boucher's new album, Art Angels, is even more jubilantly all over the place than Visions. Some of it sounds like straight-ahead radio-ready pop. "California," the song that came out of that tequila-fueled all-nighter, recalls, of all things, late-period Dixie Chicks (Boucher is a huge fan; she says that when she met Natalie Maines she "had a panic attack"). "Artangels" has an exuberant mid-Nineties girl group feel, the kind of swirling uptempo track that might accompany a makeover montage in a rom com. Some of the record feels closer to the noise rock she started out making, like "Kill Vs. Maim," an almost metal track that nods to Korn (which Boucher calls her "soul music") and Rage Against the Machine.
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Nov 11, 2015 18:01
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That's p accurate until it gets to the "near metal" part. Uh... not even. That said I just bought the album because I like it a lot more with each listen.
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Nov 11, 2015 18:03
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Boy am I glad there wasn't a Korn feature on the new album!
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Nov 11, 2015 18:07
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She loves her some Korn, I'm ok with that, ARE YOU?
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Nov 11, 2015 18:09
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I thought Visions was pretty boring so I'm pleasantly surprised by Art Angels being pretty decent. Edit: Though I still get the feeling her music never gets as weird as she clearly is
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I just don't get how being a Korn fan makes someone controversial or polarizing. Are you in 8th grade? Grow up.
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rear end Catchcum posted:I just don't get how being a Korn fan makes someone controversial or polarizing. Are you in 8th grade? Grow up. She wears it on her sleeve and indie kids are mostly smug as gently caress.. Especially about Nu Metal. 
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