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Safety Factor posted:The eye watermark just indicates Horus Heresy, but some characters have a special rule that specifically limits them to traitor or loyalist armies. This will never matter and can probably always be ignored. Not that watermark, there's a different one (at least in the red armylist books, don't know about the black.) Loyalists have an aquila.
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Cythereal posted:Eh... every primarch gets hyped up, and Khan says himself in Scars that his only particular strength versus other primarchs is that none of them have ever seen him fight and so don't know what to expect. I'd expect him to be very hit-and-run oriented. Yeah they will. You go back less than 5 years and you'd have said that about Primarchs too.
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Nov 10, 2015 20:14
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I'm just excited to watch Stanyer69 loose every single combat against Panascope. Thinking about switching to space wolves so I can always beat Hixson.
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Nov 10, 2015 20:19
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serious gaylord posted:Yeah they will. You go back less than 5 years and you'd have said that about Primarchs too. Nah, once the Horus Heresy books started rolling out I figured it was only a matter of time until rules started appearing in some form for the Legions and Primarchs.
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Even then...  Okay, kind of not feeling the Iron Hands, going to look at Death Guard. Thinking I might be light on anti-tank here, maybe swap something out for some Rapier batteries? Again, trying to use the most out of the Calth box: +++ Death Guard - 2k (1985pts) +++ ++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1985pts) ++ + HQ (685pts) + Calas Typhon (420pts) ····Deathshroud Terminator Squad [5x Deathshroud Terminators, Rad Grenades] ····Master of the Legion [The Reaping] Legion Centurion (135pts) [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Plasma Pistol, Rad Grenades, Refractor Field] ····Consul [Chaplain] Legion Centurion (130pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Chainfist] ····Consul [Legion Champion] + Troops (540pts) + Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (270pts) [Chem-munitions, Furious Charge, Melta Gun, Heavy Flamer, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines] ····Legion Veteran Sergeant [Plasma Pistol, Power Weapon, Rad Grenades] Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (270pts) [Chem-munitions, Furious Charge, Melta Gun, Heavy Flamer, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines] ····Legion Veteran Sergeant [Plasma Pistol, Power Weapon, Rad Grenades] + Elites (320pts) + Apothecarion Detachment (140pts) ····Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Power Sword] ····Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Power Sword] Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (180pts) [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons] + Heavy Support (440pts) + Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (220pts) [Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Flamer] Grave Warden Terminator Squad (220pts) [4x Grave Warden Terminator, Heavy Flamer with Chem-munitions] ····Chem-master [Rad Grenades] TKIY fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Nov 10, 2015 |
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Nov 10, 2015 20:24
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Started reading False Gods, interested to see how Horus, after seeing the poo poo going on on the moon, decides "yep this is my cup of tea".
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Nov 10, 2015 22:06
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ijyt posted:Started reading False Gods, No don't
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Nov 10, 2015 22:07
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I'm enjoying it so far, same feel to it as Rising.
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ijyt posted:Started reading False Gods, interested to see how Horus, after seeing the poo poo going on on the moon, decides "yep this is my cup of tea". No don'tttttt
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Nov 10, 2015 22:22
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ijyt posted:Started reading False Gods, interested to see how Horus, after seeing the poo poo going on on the moon, decides "yep this is my cup of tea". Blame Lorgar. No, seriously, blame Lorgar.
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Nov 10, 2015 23:04
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ijyt also enjoyed battle of the abyss
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Nov 10, 2015 23:07
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Then blame Erebus, because he's a huge Dick and it's literally all his fault.
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Nov 10, 2015 23:08
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BULBASAUR posted:ijyt also enjoyed battle of the abyss I don't know what that is but probably. And yeah Erebus seems like a right lil' oval office.
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Nov 10, 2015 23:16
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Still kind of want to paint grey word bearers though.
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So I hear the Calth sprues come with weapon options that aren't rules-legal in Horus Heresy. Any chance of there being enough of them to make a mini-heavy weapon squad or something?
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So here's my fist attempt at using most of the Calth models for a Word Bearers army with some  Chaos Daemons Rite of War: The Dark Brethren HQ: Legion Centurion 50pts (122pts) ++Burning Lore 30pts ++Combi-melta 7pts ++Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon 35pts Legion Centurion 50pts (135pts) ++Artificer Armor 10pts ++Burning Lore 30pts ++Charnal Blade 10pts ++Diabolist 35pts Elites: Apothecarion Detachment Legion Apothecary 45pts (60pts) ++Augury Scanner 5pts ++Artificer Armor 10pts Legion Apothecary 45pts (60pts) ++Augury Scanner 5pts ++Artificer Armor 10pts Gal Vorbak Dark Brethren 200pts (205pts) ++Artificer Armour 5pts ++Tainted Weapon 10pts Contemptor Dreadnought Talon 175pts ++Multi-melta Troops: Legion Tactical Squad 150pts (225pts) ++Artificer Armor 10pts ++5x Legion Space Marines 50pts ++Meltabombs 5pts ++Power Weapon 10pts Legion Tactical Squad 150pts (225pts) ++Artificer Armor 10pts ++5x Legion Space Marines 50pts ++Meltabombs 5pts ++Power Weapon 10pts Allied Detachment (Chaos Daemons) HQ: Daemon Prince 145pts (230pts) ++Daemon of Nurgle 15pts ++Greater Gift of Chaos 20pts ++Greater Gift of Chaos 20pts ++Wings 30pts Troops: 19x Bloodletters of Khorne 190pts (195pts) ++Bloodreaper 5pts 18x Bloodletters of Khorne 180pts (185pts) ++Bloodreaper 5pts Heavy Support: Soulgrinder 140pts (180pts) ++Daemon of Nurgle 15pts ++Phlegm Bombardment 25pts Total Points: 1997pts It's a giant foot-slogging list with a TON of AP3 weapons to put the fear of Daemons into all involved. It's not entirely optimized, mostly to use the sweet character models out of the box and I skipped the Terminators because I ran out of Elite slots. It's my first time really starting to read through the HH books and get my head around the new unit options. Thoughts? PierreTheMime fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Nov 10, 2015 |
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Nov 10, 2015 23:31
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BULBASAUR posted:ijyt also enjoyed battle of the abyss The book that made GW sack an author.
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Rulebook Heavily posted:So I hear the Calth sprues come with weapon options that aren't rules-legal in Horus Heresy. Any chance of there being enough of them to make a mini-heavy weapon squad or something? They are on Veteran Tactical squads, which can take two special/heavy weapons in a ten man squad.
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Nov 10, 2015 23:34
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PierreTheMime posted:Thoughts? Don't have a chance to look into the details, but at 2k points it's now possible to encounter Baby's First Lord of War, the Typhon, bane of footslogger lists. You might want to look into other options for dealing with it and other tough vehicles, but otherwise it looks quite alright. You might benefit from juggling points around and fielding Zardu Layak eventually, since he's fantastic with Gal Vorbak.
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Nov 10, 2015 23:40
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So I just got the part with Eugan Temba and I'm even more confused about how Horus falls after dealing with that poo poo. I mean come on he literally spelled it out for you, gently caress.
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Nov 10, 2015 23:43
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Heres my loyalist 2k army list. Critique please. Armillus Dymat 200 19 Tactical Space Marines: chainswords; + 1 Tactical Sergeant 290 19 Tactical Space Marines: chainswords; + 1 Tactical Sergeant 290 4 Tactical Support Marines: volkite calivers; + 1 Tactical Support Sergeant 125 Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought: 2 Kheres pattern assault cannons 180 4 Lernaean Terminators: + 1 Harrower 225 2 Rapier Carriers: 2× quad mortar ('Thud Gun') 120 Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer: armoured ceramite 210 Fire Raptor Gunship 200 Sicaran Battle Tank: armoured ceramite 155 1.995 points
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ijyt posted:So I just got the part with Eugan Temba and I'm even more confused about how Horus falls after dealing with that poo poo. Because its badly written garbage where Horus goes from a loyal, incredibly intelligent warrior to evil supervillain in about 12 pages.
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Nov 10, 2015 23:47
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Battle for the Abyss owns because in Betrayer Aaron Dembski-Bowden has a throwaway line talking poo poo about how dumb the people involved in it were.
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Nov 10, 2015 23:49
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serious gaylord posted:The book that made GW sack an author. No way. Battle of the Abyss was poo poo, but it was also far better than anything written by Nick Kyme
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Nov 10, 2015 23:54
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panascope posted:Battle for the Abyss owns because in Betrayer Aaron Dembski-Bowden has a throwaway line talking poo poo about how dumb the people involved in it were. Also there's a bit Mark of Calth where Lorgar is like, "it would be so stupid to only make one super huge spaceship. I made more than one, just in different places"
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Nov 10, 2015 23:56
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boom boom boom posted:No way. Battle of the Abyss was poo poo, but it was also far better than anything written by Nick Kyme I got in like 10 pages into one of his HH Salamander books and vowed to never read another of his books again.
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panascope posted:Battle for the Abyss owns because in Betrayer Aaron Dembski-Bowden has a throwaway line talking poo poo about how dumb the people involved in it were. All I remember about that book is the Word Bearers going  "We've got loads of armour on our battleship, nothing can break" - something breaks -  "gently caress"Also, somehow the World Eater was the only sensible character in the book. E: actually, I'm pretty sure that's the book that killed HH for me. Is anything else that's come out after it been worth reading?
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ro5s posted:E: actually, I'm pretty sure that's the book that killed HH for me. Is anything else that's come out after it been worth reading? Betrayer is real good. Nothing else is worth reading though.
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Thundercloud posted:They are on Veteran Tactical squads, which can take two special/heavy weapons in a ten man squad. Ah, that makes sense. Any weapon combos worth having, then?
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Rulebook Heavily posted:Ah, that makes sense. Any weapon combos worth having, then? You can select tank hunters and 2 missile launchers/2 melta guns. You'll run across armoured ceramite sometimes, especially on things like Land Raiders and bigger, but it'll give dreads and rhinos a poo poo time, and it's still strength 9.
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boom boom boom posted:No way. Battle of the Abyss was poo poo, but it was also far better than anything written by Nick Kyme Yes way. Ben Counter was up his own arse so much that he refused to make suggested changes so they were left with the choice to release it after editing, ghost write the changes, or not release it at all. He was such a bellend about it that he didnt write another novel for Black Library for 5 years and was kicked off the Heresy for good.
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ijyt posted:I don't know what that is but probably. I can some it up in one quote. "It [sic] cannot believe that the very ship carrying five companies of my battle-brothers and en-route to Calth was destroyed before reaching Vangelis in a random act of Xenos contrition" Edit: Warhammer 30k - Random acts of Xenos contrition.
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You dudes who aren't playing Iron Warriors or Word Bearers should probably get in the habit of taking vexillas on your tactical squads. You'll thank me later.Rulebook Heavily posted:So I hear the Calth sprues come with weapon options that aren't rules-legal in Horus Heresy. Any chance of there being enough of them to make a mini-heavy weapon squad or something? Where did you hear that? It all depends on how your run the squads. Tactical Squads can't take special weapons, its true, but if you run them as veterans tacticals you sure as hell can. Dual melta, dual plasma, missile launchers, or heavy bolters are all attractive options.
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BULBASAUR posted:You dudes who aren't playing Iron Warriors or Word Bearers should probably get in the habit of taking vexillas on your tactical squads. You'll thank me later. I presume my source didn't know about veteran tac squads and was running on the bolter-only basic squad. Good to know. I presume there's not enough to do a heavy or special squad, though, even if you get two boxes.
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Yeah and not enough for a full tactical support squad either, but most people won't run x10 melta gunners of x10 plasma dudes unless their army is built around it. Honestly I wish more people read through the army list. There are a lot of options in there and you need to know what your basic troop options are.Gapey Joe Stalin posted:I can some it up in one quote. "It [sic] cannot believe that the very ship carrying five companies of my battle-brothers and en-route to Calth was destroyed before reaching Vangelis in a random act of Xenos contrition" Warhammer 30k: Big muscly dudes stamping the faces of muscly dudes- forever
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SteelMentor posted:To be honest, I've always felt the idea that Forge World was a means of cranking out expensive and overpowered models has always been a bit of a myth. There may have been some truth when they just made Titans and Superheavies, since they're kinda overpowered by design, but since they've moved onto Horus Heresy and producing their own campaign books their rules tend to be more side-grades and alternatives to GW's stuff. TBH the sooner the myth dies the better, it'd be nice to be able to use my Contemptors or my Taghamata without being accused of being a filthy neckbearded power-gamer. Yeah - when I think of FW it's still mostly the Manta, Titans, expensive terrain pieces, etc. But I see that they have a lot of upgrade spures for HH stuff. I also don't think you have to use FW to be a filthy neckbearded power-gamer, it's easy enough to do with the basic rules. BULBASAUR posted:From my perspective: This is more what I was interested in. It sounds more like 5th or early 6th ed. So my next question is, does the balance feel like it's there by design or more by happen stance since the majority of models are using the same basic profile? I think by it's nature of marine on marine action it would be significantly easier to balance than when you start including t3 races and so on.
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It would be nice to hear from other people who have played besides myself. From my own experience, it feels deliberate, but it's definitely aided by everyone being on a level playing field (so to speak). Really broken things tend to get quickly FAQed and most benefits have drawbacks. You have very mediocre or over costed units however and the core game is still based on 7th edition. The biggest upset for me is that they allowed the Cerastus Knight army list to be part of 30k. Most events ban it outright, but as it stands its probably the dumbest thing in the entire game.
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Sir Teabag posted:
In my experience balance feels a lot better tuned than 40k for certain, I've only played a few games now personally but nothing feels particularly foul or unfun to go up against. Marines are Marines, Mechanicum is hard as nails but run comparatively tiny armies, Solar Auxillia have all the tanks and play like a better armoured/equipped Guard. BULBASAUR posted:
Is it really that bad? I've played a few pure Knights armies in regular 40k, usually pointing enough Melta and Haywire at them while nabbing objectives under their feet is enough to grab a victory from them, though I must admit the two guys local who have the spare cash to run Knight armies are also dumb as rocks. Do the extra Knight varients make that much impact?
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BULBASAUR posted:You dudes who aren't playing Iron Warriors or Word Bearers should probably get in the habit of taking vexillas on your tactical squads. You'll thank me later. I'm running World Eaters and plan on two (eventually three) large tactical squad blobs. I anticipate heavy casualties, because the only thing I can fit tac squads that large into are spartans and fire raptors-- so the vexilla and its attendant re-roll are handy So is a legion command squad with standard-- the 12" fearless bubble is a nice touch.
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Any reason not to run Mk3 shoulders on the Mk4 armour? Mk3 shoulders look better to me.
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