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Bluedeanie posted:e: Mizzou hires some real great professors these days! Edit- I am having a hard time understanding what this guy is saying and which side he is on frankly. But he's not a full time tenure track professor, so whatever it is, gently caress it. Shammypants fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Nov 11, 2015 |
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DeusExMachinima posted:What possible good intentions could this be, particularly considering how they went about it?
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Nov 11, 2015 06:35
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DeusExMachinima posted:What possible good intentions could this be, particularly considering how they went about it? I do not blame them for wanting to give protesters some degree of privacy, or from wanting to avoid unflattering narratives from larger media outlets that parachute in to cover a big story when it's hot, don't bother attempting to fact-check or engage in any real journalism and then gently caress off as soon as a train derails somewhere else. I don't think the kids they were being lovely to were going to be guilty of doing that and I agree it is stupid and wrong to try and bar a journalist from a public place. I'm just saying some of the rationale behind their line of thinking was not inherently flawed.
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Nov 11, 2015 06:37
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alpha_destroy posted:I'm skipping ahead, sorry, but poo poo at Mizzou is getting ridiculous. if the university president can't keep the campus in order, he should step down
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Nov 11, 2015 06:43
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ayn rand hand job posted:if the university president can't keep the campus in order, he should step down now say what you really feel
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Nov 11, 2015 06:44
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As someone that was a part of the fence, the motivation was partially privacy, since people were living in that camp. I mean, if curators can operate as a shadowy cabal behind closed doors, it only seems fair. I realize this is illegal. And I realize I was wrong. The other part is exactly what was said. Do you really expect CNN and Don Lemon, or god forbid Fox News to not present that footage as something scary and negative? Like I said. I was wrong. It was wrong. But it's not like people didn't have reasons.
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Nov 11, 2015 06:44
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The reporting on the Mizzou situation is so terrible. Every outlet makes it sound like this is all about the feces swastika, which obviously has nothing to do with the president. Is there a really good writeup somewhere about what the specific problems were leading up to this that I can link people?
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Nov 11, 2015 06:48
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alpha_destroy posted:As someone that was a part of the fence, the motivation was partially privacy, since people were living in that camp. I mean, if curators can operate as a shadowy cabal behind closed doors, it only seems fair. I realize this is illegal. And I realize I was wrong. The other part is exactly what was said. Do you really expect CNN and Don Lemon, or god forbid Fox News to not present that footage as something scary and negative? For what it's worth I don't think it was wrong what you did.
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Nov 11, 2015 06:49
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Rexicon1 posted:For what it's worth I don't think it was wrong what you did. You cannot infringe on a person's first amendment right to press freedom while simultaneously exercising your right to assembly. What ended up being the story was a billion times worse than if they'd just let the kid take the pictures. I understand why it happened and it's clear it was an in the moment thing and people have realized their mistakes and learned a lesson, but we'll never see the end of Slate thinkpieces about safe space fascism. zoux fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Nov 11, 2015 |
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Nov 11, 2015 06:51
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Rexicon1 posted:For what it's worth I don't think it was wrong what you did. Yeah, naw, it was bad. Fortunately, I think the people involved have handled it well since then.
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Nov 11, 2015 06:54
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Lessail posted:now say what you really feel Shits hosed up and heads need to roll
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Nov 11, 2015 06:54
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Yeah, there was a case of a "joke" bomb threat over Yikyak up here in Albany, and police were on that person within a few hours. Yikyak is very happy to help law enforcement out. They don't need Stingrays: the platform's own algorithms use location to decide which comments you see, so it's already logged. Yeah, it seems that at least one person using it to make terrorist threats at Missouri has already been identified by law enforcement. According to some twitter I saw that appears to be from someone at the law school there maybe?
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Nov 11, 2015 06:55
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Petr posted:The reporting on the Mizzou situation is so terrible. Every outlet makes it sound like this is all about the feces swastika, which obviously has nothing to do with the president. Is there a really good writeup somewhere about what the specific problems were leading up to this that I can link people? That's the issue, I think the protesters will tell you listing the specific events is foolish since there wasn't a true beginning to this, right? Like all discussions of race in America, there was never that mythic time before problems started. Here's a timeline but it misses all discussion of labor issues, gender issues, or anything else. It also, in my opinion, starts too recently. I'm not sure the good write up has been written yet.
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Nov 11, 2015 06:55
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alpha_destroy posted:That's the issue, I think the protesters will tell you listing the specific events is foolish since there wasn't a true beginning to this, right? Like all discussions of race in America, there was never that mythic time before problems started. A short summary of the complaints against Wolfe would go a long way.
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Nov 11, 2015 07:01
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Rexicon1 posted:For what it's worth I don't think it was wrong what you did. They did more damage to their own cause than a 100 hack journos could've. Now all the good reporters who might've given them a fair shake will be justifiably distracted about this anti-free speech wall too. It's not their private property so it's not their call who comes and goes, the end. You loving idiot.
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Nov 11, 2015 07:03
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Nov 11, 2015 07:04
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DeusExMachinima posted:They did more damage to their own cause than a 100 hack journos could've. Now all the good reporters who might've given them a fair shake will be justifiably distracted about this anti-free speech wall too. It's not their private property so it's not their call who comes and goes, the end. You loving idiot. it's always something
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Nov 11, 2015 07:07
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icantfindaname posted:so what happened in the debate? did trump come out ahead or at least not behind? Let's just say that Fox News has to call in some extra fifteen dimensional logic experts to agree that everyone's wages are too high the next few days. The 98% who have refrigerator graphic will be shown again.
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Nov 11, 2015 07:09
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zoux posted:You cannot infringe on a person's first amendment right to press freedom while simultaneously exercising your right to assembly. They took previously open land and restricted access to it. What's the problem here? They mixed their labor with it when they pitched their tents so they own it now imo. You don't have to let anyone who wants come into your home and take pictures. What they did is simple homesteading. "Public property"? You think the state has the right to decide that property is public? The state gives itself a state-created deed to that property and you respect that as legitimate? Give me a break. You should be applauding the students for privatization. The reporter was clearly initiating violence by trying to enter onto now private land, so the students roughing him up would be in keeping with the non aggression principle to prohibit access to the land they have deemed theirs and banned access to.
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Nov 11, 2015 07:11
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icantfindaname posted:so what happened in the debate? did trump come out ahead or at least not behind? Trump thinks everyone else is paid too much.
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Nov 11, 2015 07:12
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Fried Chicken posted:All mizzou reporter takes have so far missed that the saga is really about disputed theories of property and ownership Do you actually believe any of this or are you just being sassy
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Nov 11, 2015 07:13
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Petr posted:Trump thinks everyone else is paid too much. First thing he said was he thinks wages should be lower. Set the tone for the ensuing madness quite well
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Nov 11, 2015 07:13
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Lessail posted:it's always something I say, never mind the college students acting like college students. They'll suffer in the form of torpedoing their own cause. We've got a taxpayer-employed member of communications faculty (of all departments) violating the fifth estate's rights on public property. Administer a career enema to the bitch. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 11, 2015 07:15
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anyone who thinks the protesters should do anything other than storm the university's head office, raise the red flag from the roof, and declare Full Communism should have their D&D card revoked. complaining about the hurt feelings of CNN reporters should get you a term in a labor camp on top of that
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Nov 11, 2015 07:17
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icantfindaname posted:so what happened in the debate? did trump come out ahead or at least not behind? Nothing that will really shake anything up. Rubio probably "won" because he didn't gently caress up anywhere. Rand got a burn in on Trump but it probably won't affect him. Of course it was nearly non-stop lies and made up bullshit that you would expect but that's going to be every Republican debate. Oh and 4 of the candidates on stage think we should be on the gold standard because that's just literally how insane one of our major political parties is. If a person were to watch it in a vacuum they would be horrified at the ignorance and utter nonsense proposals on display but these days that's just the status quo.
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Nov 11, 2015 07:19
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Someone in my Facebook wall just told me "the term you're looking for is systemic oppression, not racism" and lectured me about being ignorant as if systemic racism was not a form of systemic oppression. I didn't know what to say.
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Nov 11, 2015 07:20
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icantfindaname posted:anyone who thinks the protesters should do anything other than storm the university's head office, raise the red flag from the roof, and declare Full Communism should have their D&D card revoked. complaining about the hurt feelings of CNN reporters should get you a term in a labor camp on top of that I'm just about ten degrees left of Chomsky, but if it had been tea partiers shoving around CNN reporters, you'd be calling for blood and you know it. They hosed up, they're college students, move on.
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Nov 11, 2015 07:22
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DeusExMachinima posted:I say, never mind the college students acting like college students. They'll suffer in the form of torpedoing their own cause. suppose it really doesn't take much for some
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Nov 11, 2015 07:24
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I'm so scared for my professors right now. I had a few psych/soc professors who were very active in social justice on campus and I'm terrified they'll be singled out by the shooter if he shows up.
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Nov 11, 2015 07:25
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It's TYOOL 2015 and being shot for saying that maybe you shouldn't call black people the N word is still a thing we have to worry about
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Nov 11, 2015 07:27
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A bunch of reporters will be salty for a few days and then they'll move on to something else. Mizzou will end up doing something lovely and be back in the news as assholes. Y'all are really blowing this all out of proportion. What I'm really hoping is that all those death threats and such are just pranks and that we're not going to hear about deaths and injuries by tomorrow afternoon.
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Nov 11, 2015 07:29
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Petr posted:Do you actually believe any of this or are you just being sassy Technically I'm quoting Matt Bruening being sassy. He got a lot of libertarian jimmies russeled with that Also, people should follow him on twitter for a lot of good public spending and redistribution stuff. Also, pissing off libertarians and people who hate food stamps on the regular
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Nov 11, 2015 07:31
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alpha_destroy posted:Someone in my Facebook wall just told me "the term you're looking for is systemic oppression, not racism" and lectured me about being ignorant as if systemic racism was not a form of systemic oppression. I didn't know what to say. tell them they're a cracker that wants in on the sweet, sweet oppression cred
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Reading the last ten pages I just want to say I'm glad the D&D sleuths praxed out the real reason Professor Christakis defended the right of students to wear offensive costumes: He's actually a secret racist who loves blackface! All and all this has been a great week for social justice.
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Nov 11, 2015 07:35
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DeusExMachinima posted:They did more damage to their own cause than a 100 hack journos could've. Now all the good reporters who might've given them a fair shake will be justifiably distracted about this anti-free speech wall too. It's not their private property so it's not their call who comes and goes, the end. You loving idiot. Yeah but no one cares what you think because you are against them regardless and just looking for any reason to discredit their side of the issue.
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Nov 11, 2015 07:36
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Luigi Thirty posted:It's TYOOL 2015 and being shot for saying that maybe you shouldn't call black people the N word is still a thing we have to worry about But have you thought of the free speeches and the liberties???
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Nov 11, 2015 07:37
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Absurd Alhazred posted:A bunch of reporters will be salty for a few days and then they'll move on to something else. Mizzou will end up doing something lovely and be back in the news as assholes. Y'all are really blowing this all out of proportion. There's reports from students saying the KKK is on campus, and people actively being threatening to black students (trucks circling them around, yelling at them, etc). Even if the original guy who posted that threat doesn't go through with it, I can definitely see someone getting hurt.
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joeburz posted:But have you thought of the free speeches and the liberties??? you know what we do to liberals around here
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joeburz posted:But have you thought of the free speeches and the liberties??? I got yer constitutionally protected speech right here t  t
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I'm still not sure if the kkk thing is bullshit - the only source I've seen so far is Twitter. I hope it is.
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