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I had a Cain run that got a bunch of damage ups, Monstro's Lung, that coin attack item BS and Chocolate Milk. It one-shotted It Lives and three-shotted The Lamb. Also, I spat coins as big as the room. What an amazing game.
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Lost starting with Holy Mantle makes the d4 useless. Lost isn't as bad to get a run going since you can get a bunch of rolls through the first few floors.
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Nov 11, 2015 05:22
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I just legit beat Ultra Greed with the Lost. I'm not good at this game, just too drat stubborn.
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Nov 11, 2015 05:39
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Logan 5 posted:I just legit beat Ultra Greed with the Lost. Congrats on polluting your item pool with utter garbage 
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Nov 11, 2015 05:40
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So piercing shots work in Onan's Streak now, which makes Polyphemus extremely good(and Brimstone too I assume). Multi-tear items are still a very bad idea though.
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Nov 11, 2015 05:45
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Purity is insane. Get it on blue and it's a double strength cancer (which got my tech x down to as fast as I could spam attack buttons, normal max tear rate goes clear up to soy milk fast). Red is double strength devil horn. The other 2 are unimportant and you can safely try to switch back off them if you end up in one.
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Nov 11, 2015 07:29
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So remember how Edmund said that he would fix the reroll into Breakfast glitch through the use of D4 and the like? Well technically he did. Now it just rerolls you into no items if you exhaust the item pool, as I found out the hard way.  MissingNo caused that run to end early. I dunno if the D4 or Dice rooms can cause that, but definitely avoid MissingNo if you have a large amount of items. On the plus side, I managed to fill out my Collection screen on that run.
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Nov 11, 2015 08:04
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Dr. Fetus posted:So remember how Edmund said that he would fix the reroll into Breakfast glitch through the use of D4 and the like? Well technically he did. Now it just rerolls you into no items if you exhaust the item pool, as I found out the hard way. I'm glad that he found a way to screw the lost over in a new and exciting way
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Nov 11, 2015 08:07
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Manatee Cannon posted:I'm glad that he found a way to screw the lost over in a new and exciting way I tested the D4, and yes. It also exhausts the item pool, leaving you with nothing if you use it too much.
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Nov 11, 2015 08:30
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So it turns out that Fate's Reward has a really bad fire rate. I was hoping it was basically incubus but in better item pools.
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Nov 11, 2015 10:57
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It's still pretty close.
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Nov 11, 2015 11:07
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dis astranagant posted:Purity is insane . . .Red is double strength devil horn. This is not quite right. The curved horn gives +2 to what we call "flat" damage, which means it happens after the damage scaling formula, so the actual amount of damage your tears do is increased by exactly 2. The vast majority of the items that we talk about as being damage ups don't work this way. Instead they increase the input to the scaling formula. Here's what the formula looks like! actual damage = 3.5 * sqrt(1 + (total "damage ups") * 1.2) So your starting damage is 3.5. If you get a +1 dmg item, then your damage becomes about 5.19. If you have just a red purity aura, which is +4 dmg, then your damage is about 8.43. Damage multipliers happen after this scaling step. Here's a website I worked on that can help do these calculations for you: http://hyphen-ated.github.io/rebirthDps/ (it also does DPS!) it's not updated with any afterbirth stuff though
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Nov 11, 2015 11:24
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Dr. Fetus posted:So remember how Edmund said that he would fix the reroll into Breakfast glitch through the use of D4 and the like? Well technically he did. Now it just rerolls you into no items if you exhaust the item pool, as I found out the hard way. The way it almost certainly currently works, mechanically, is that it scrubs all your items and then gives you random items equal to your current items as if you had picked them up so it doesn't really use any new code. Obviously Nicalis are just lazy
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Nov 11, 2015 11:33
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Dr. Fetus posted:So remember how Edmund said that he would fix the reroll into Breakfast glitch through the use of D4 and the like? Well technically he did. Now it just rerolls you into no items if you exhaust the item pool, as I found out the hard way. Haha, so you ended back into basic isaac?
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Nov 11, 2015 11:41
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D4 is almost useless as The Lost anyway. Yeah, you can re-roll into Holy Mantle, but also probably also lots of other awful junk you don't need or could be extraordinarily harmful. It's also not likely you'll re-roll into any kind of carry build. Theoretically D4 seems awesome, but it's still just more randomness added to a character that needed to have some randomness removed. Edmund added the D4 to The Lost because he has this fantasy people aren't holding the R key hoping for Dead Cat or Holy Mantle. He thinks we're gonna go through Basement 1 and 2 then re-roll all the lovely useless items we got and sing the priases of the D4 when it gives us Dead Cat with Ipecac or Three Dollar Bill. Congrats now you don't wanna re-roll since you'd force the one item you wanted out of the pool, and lol the other items you got along with it are gonna kill you. That's not how people play The Lost because it would take a million years to finish any achievements doing runs like that. He's trying to do this, "the fans don't really know what they want!" type of thinking when it comes to balance and design. The problem is that an approach like that requires a dev to understand how people play the game, but it doesn't appear as though he's actually done that. So he comes up with balance solutions that are difficult to understand the point of. ErIog fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Nov 11, 2015 |
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Nov 11, 2015 12:01
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Soy milk+Head of the Keeper really breaks Greed Mode, though Ultra Greed takes loving forever though since he heals from picking up coins.
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ErIog posted:D4 is almost useless as The Lost anyway. Yeah, you can re-roll into Holy Mantle, but also probably also lots of other awful junk you don't need or could be extraordinarily harmful. It's also not likely you'll re-roll into any kind of carry build. Theoretically D4 seems awesome, but it's still just more randomness added to a character that needed to have some randomness removed. Although, iirc there was a reddit poll about how to "improve" The Lost, so did people actually suggest this and voted it over say Dead Cat or Holy Mantle? I guess the idea is that D4 still maintains the idea behind the Lost character while maybe giving him an extra possible chance to become viable with a lucky reroll, but I don't see any fun in that. I still am more likely to reset the run until I get at least Dead Cat.
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Nov 11, 2015 12:36
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Greed mode with the lost is straight-up garbage, you'd think they'd have tested it enough to realize that sometimes it'll spawn a full Fistula right over the button or like six mullibooms in a little circle around you. Cool mechanics.
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Nov 11, 2015 12:38
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AbstractNapper posted:Definitely agree. Yes, but nobody ever said reddit/r/boi wasn't full of morons
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AbstractNapper posted:Definitely agree. MrL_JaKiri posted:Yes, but nobody ever said reddit/r/boi wasn't full of morons The choices were: D6 + speed up D6 + spectral tears D20 + speed up D20 + spectral tears D4 + speed up D4 + spectral tears e: holy mantle would make The Lost a borderline Good Character™ and we all know Ed doesn't like that sorta thing. Your Computer fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Nov 11, 2015 |
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Nov 11, 2015 13:04
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I wish the lost started with one extra life, and got one more extra life every time you cleared a floor.
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Nov 11, 2015 14:04
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Jeeesus christ I am the biggest idiot. I wake up early today and see what Isaac is giving me for daily run oh it's the Lost. Well I probably won't kill MS but I do have holy mantle so I should make it a few floors down at least. About to fight first floor boss and I say "oh well I should check that curse room since I have the mantle" and it's spiders, I fight them kind of casually and one hits me and I say "oh no big deal" then realize i'm in the drat curse room!! 
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Nov 11, 2015 14:06
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Oh boy, if you see a small tight room with five buttons on the cathedral, go ahead and press them. you might end up swarmed by three duke of flies and three monstros in said tight room. I have no idea how I managed to squeeze through that.
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Nov 11, 2015 15:42
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Kawalimus posted:Jeeesus christ I am the biggest idiot. I wake up early today and see what Isaac is giving me for daily run oh it's the Lost. Well I probably won't kill MS but I do have holy mantle so I should make it a few floors down at least. About to fight first floor boss and I say "oh well I should check that curse room since I have the mantle" and it's spiders, I fight them kind of casually and one hits me and I say "oh no big deal" then realize i'm in the drat curse room!! exit the run and go back in, holy mantle will be back
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Nov 11, 2015 15:54
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asterioth posted:exit the run and go back in, holy mantle will be back He can't, it's the daily run
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Nov 11, 2015 16:05
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IronicDongz posted:I wish the lost started with one extra life, and got one more extra life every time you cleared a floor. That sounds like a fun and interesting mechanic too bad it won't happen
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Nov 11, 2015 16:18
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Starting with Holy Mantle will be the Lost's unlock for clearing everything in hard mode
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Nov 11, 2015 17:17
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Your Computer posted:The choices were: D6 + spectral tears won with 1600 votes, beating out the second place option by 1400 votes. Edmund then disregarded that and chose the D4 option
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Nov 11, 2015 17:28
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Tetracube posted:D6 + spectral tears won with 1600 votes, beating out the second place option by 1400 votes. Edmund then disregarded that and chose the D4 option D6 with the Lost would be too imbalanced, clearly.
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Nov 11, 2015 17:32
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How Rude posted:That sounds like a fun and interesting mechanic too bad it won't happen Justin_Brett posted:D6 with the Lost would be too imbalanced, clearly. Man, this thread has gotten real catty. In any case having two characters with the same starting item would be a bit weird, so D6 probably shouldn't have been in the choices in the first place.
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Nov 11, 2015 17:37
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Kanfy posted:Man, this thread has gotten real catty. That was his reasoning for disregarding that choice, yeah. D20 or a lot of other things would've been nicer though
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Nov 11, 2015 17:46
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I can kind of see the idea behind giving him the D4 to roll away health pickups but the D6 does a better job of that honestly. Also wasn't there supposed to be a patch "early" this week? I wonder what's going on with that.
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Nov 11, 2015 18:44
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Seriously though I honestly think that the Lost will only get the mantle once you get all of his unlocks.
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Nov 11, 2015 18:47
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The lost may or may not be complete bullshit in a game where enemies like daddy long legs exists, but plenty of people have beaten the game with him, so Edmund isn't necessarily wrong in thinking he's ok as is
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Nov 11, 2015 19:40
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Nov 11, 2015 19:41
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Press and hold R
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Nov 11, 2015 19:42
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Prop Wash posted:The lost may or may not be complete bullshit in a game where enemies like daddy long legs exists, but plenty of people have beaten the game with him, so Edmund isn't necessarily wrong in thinking he's ok as is just because something is "possible" does not mean it is "reasonable", much less good. lots of people have beaten kaizo mario but that doesn't mean that it's good design lmao
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Nov 11, 2015 19:43
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Can you not press the button as The Lost anymore?
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Nov 11, 2015 19:43
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For the record The Lost is nowhere near as hard as most actual bullet hell games, especially poo poo like CAVE shooters, but all those games, despite being "one-hit" kills against much tougher bullet patterns than anything in BoI(aside from random poo poo like daddy longlegs' random stomp hitting you), give you multiple lives. Because they understand that leaving literally no room for error, is not fun
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Daddy Long Legs is one thing that's just stupid with his stomps you can't avoid. Simply a bad attack that should be gotten rid of. If they stopped certain enemies from popping up under you they should fix this too.
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