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Smudgie Buggler posted:Were you playing definitional games, saying things like "racism = prejudice + power" or "people of colour can be racially prejudiced but not racist" or anything else that disingenuously conflates "racism" in the ordinary sense with "institutionally entrenched racism"? No. We were discussing the situation, someone said it was frustrating there were people that still insist we don't have a problem. I responded, "right on, it's loving pathetic how uneducated we as a public are about how big a problem racism still is." Earlier I had been discussing systemic racism elsewhere, so I forgot to specify I meant systemic racism. But... come the gently caress on. alpha_destroy fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Nov 11, 2015 |
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How about respecting the photographer's wishes to not be made a central theme to this story and focus on the excessive racial abuse committed by this college?
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Nov 11, 2015 14:26
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30.5 Days posted:You'll have to define where you think the line is- are you worthy of contempt after you've taken a certain number of pictures of someone, or only if you're taking pictures of someone who makes movies instead of protests? Let me help you: If you are protesting in a public space, or camped out as part of a protest in a public space -- let's say a college green -- you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy. Further, you do not have any institutional authority to tell a member of the press they cannot photograph you in that space. The University could make that distinction and say that you can only photograph them in X or Y area but not in Z area as a time, place and manner restriction. If you are a public-figure, say a movie star, you legally have less expectations of privacy when you're in public. The key word being public. If you're at your home, you do have some general expectations of privacy. Most of the cases where a member of the "paparazzi" are sued by someone or get involved in altercation are almost exclusively when they attempt to violate that person's personal space or property. Those are fairly big distinctions. joeburz posted:Real Serious Journalists are no better than paparazzi in most cases and trying to argue otherwise is lol This is really dumb.
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Nov 11, 2015 14:30
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the_paradigm_shift posted:How about respecting the photographer's wishes to not be made a central theme to this story and focus on the excessive racial abuse committed by this college? I personally do not think the discussion on here about the flaws of the protesters and safe space type things at Mizzou and Yale is meant to distract or disqualify the issues of racism / marginalization that the protesters are raising. It could be what is being discussed more intensely as result of those specific issues not being so cut-and-dry when compared to whether the administration of the school is in the wrong for ignoring acts of racism that happen and generally are bad about handling everything.
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Nov 11, 2015 15:01
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Where is the non-GBS Mizzou politics thread? Can't seem to find it in the Sports sub-forum.
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Nov 11, 2015 15:08
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All of my brother's classes, including one that was holding an exam, are now canceled today. I don't know if this was a campus-wide decision or if each of his professors decided not to be assholes in light of terrorist threats (credible or otherwise.)
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Nov 11, 2015 15:09
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https://twitter.com/zellieimani/status/664423741691174912 Yikyak threats. He got arrested though. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/11/us/university-of-missouri-names-law-professor-to-diversity-post.html quote:The professor, Melissa Click, an assistant professor in the department of communication had what was described as a “courtesy appointment” at the School of Journalism, meaning that she could serve on student thesis review panels. “Journalism school faculty members are taking immediate action to review that appointment,” David Kurpius, the dean of the school, said in a statement released Tuesday, stressing that Ms. Click did not teach at the school. Blowdryer fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Nov 11, 2015 |
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Nov 11, 2015 15:14
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Dan Price the CEO who put a price floor on his company's salaries, was on TDS last night. It was pretty interesting and he also admitted to mistakes he made with that raise and how it effected his employees.
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Nov 11, 2015 15:28
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People will always find a way to tut tut protestors and make the behavior of the protestors the story to discredit their cause. A lot of the narrative around Yale and Mizzou (especially Yale) was "just kids being kids" and "blown out of proportion" anyway. That a group of college kids is doing stupid poo poo now lets everyone move on from any actual talk about poo poo going down This is all just an extension of people complaining about pc culture and trigger warnings and safe spaces yada yada. See: Jonathan Chait and his paranoia porn about how the PC LEFT is going to ruin the first amendment. Meh. I don't know. Journalists talking about journalism and the sanctity of it is the worst. Most of them aggressively suck at what they think journalism is.
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Nov 11, 2015 15:32
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the_paradigm_shift posted:How about respecting the photographer's wishes to not be made a central theme to this story and focus on the excessive racial abuse committed by this college? Excessive racial abuse so far this year: a couple drive by slurrings and poop swastika.
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Nov 11, 2015 15:35
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The Kingfish posted:Excessive racial abuse so far this year: a couple drive by slurrings and poop swastika. haha you sure showed those uppity blacks.
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Nov 11, 2015 15:38
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You sure showed me!
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Nov 11, 2015 15:40
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30.5 Days posted:Yeah except the area we're talking about was those students' currently living area. On public property. The only part that matters at all.
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Nov 11, 2015 15:41
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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The Kingfish posted:Excessive racial abuse so far this year: a couple drive by slurrings and poop swastika. It's actually super hurtful when someone screams friend of the family at you from a car and it shouldn't be tolerated at all, trust me man It just loving makes you feel like poo poo
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Zelder posted:It's actually super hurtful when someone screams friend of the family at you from a car and it shouldn't be tolerated at all, trust me man *places the N word on a scale* *places "safe space, no journalists* on the other end* hmm, looks like it balances out. The racists get a mulligan due to the hatefulness of the protesters.
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Zelder posted:It's actually super hurtful when someone screams friend of the family at you from a car and it shouldn't be tolerated at all, trust me man It's just crazy to me that mizzou had a university president who shouted friend of the family and wrote in poop.
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I mean, people are being dehumanized and threatened (with murder, lol) for complaining that nothing is being done about the dehumanization, but on the other hand, something about SJWs Like someone up thread said, we can't even complain about being called a friend of the family anymore without someone threatening to kill us
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The Kingfish posted:It's just crazy that mizzou had a university president that shouts friend of the family in the first place. I think it's crazy that the president responded so poorly to these numerous problems on campus that were making his black students feel uncomfortable, and I'm glad that he resigned and hope that someone more prepared for the job can take his place
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Zelder posted:It's actually super hurtful when someone screams friend of the family at you from a car and it shouldn't be tolerated at all, trust me man Yeah, it's about the most dehumanizing poo poo. You can be walking around, thinking about other stuff, and all of a sudden you're reminded that the only thing you'll ever be allowed to be is black scum to some people. It clogs your mind, and you end up only thinking about race, and it becomes really hard to think of anything else.
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Nov 11, 2015 16:02
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Reminder Wolfe was the president of the whole university system, Loftin -- who also resigned -- was Chancellor of the Columbia campus and was, frankly, more influential.
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Nov 11, 2015 16:03
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The Kingfish posted:It's just crazy to me that mizzou had a university president who shouted friend of the family and wrote in poop. He was no angel.
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Ferdinand the Bull posted:Yeah, it's about the most dehumanizing poo poo. You can be walking around, thinking about other stuff, and all of a sudden you're reminded that the only thing you'll ever be allowed to be is black scum to some people. It clogs your mind, and you end up only thinking about race, and it becomes really hard to think of anything else. Yeah exactly. Last time I was with a white friend and he was shocked/mortified, and I barely even reacted. I just felt beat down. It's awful.
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So yeah it turns out the guy threatening to shoot every black person he sees was a 19 year old white supremacist. The police aren't releasing his mugshot for his safety (which I've always thought is fair, the dude is innocent at the moment, right?), but they released his name.... sooooo.... pointless. Of course, since they're not releasing his mugshot, twitter is blowing up with pictures of him from social media. From the looks of him, this kid better hope he never sees prison, he will loving die behind those bars. While this is going on, the right wing media is trying to dox the hunger strike kid as being wealthy, which proves...
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pathetic little tramp posted:So yeah it turns out the guy threatening to shoot every black person he sees was a 19 year old white supremacist. The police aren't releasing his mugshot for his safety (which I've always thought is fair, the dude is innocent at the moment, right?), but they released his name.... sooooo.... pointless. Of course, since they're not releasing his mugshot, twitter is blowing up with pictures of him from social media. From the looks of him, this kid better hope he never sees prison, he will loving die behind those bars. He will likely not be put in with the general population.
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the_paradigm_shift posted:How about respecting the photographer's wishes to not be made a central theme to this story and focus on the excessive racial abuse committed by this college? Or report the fact that the protesters backed off from the "safe space" nonsense, apologized, saw it as a teachable moment and are now cooperating with the press. But then we'd be stuck talking about continued racism on campus and the significance of a hunger and athletic labor strike taking down a university president and chancellor. We can't have that, both sides have to be equally bad!
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pathetic little tramp posted:While this is going on, the right wing media is trying to dox the hunger strike kid as being wealthy, which proves... It's a great tactic to funnel right wing social media hatred towards anything. Look at planned parenthood.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Or report the fact that the protesters backed off from the "safe space" nonsense, apologized, saw it as a teachable moment and are now cooperating with the press. CNN's story on their front page does, actually note that.
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jackofarcades posted:People will always find a way to tut tut protestors and make the behavior of the protestors the story to discredit their cause. Deflect! Deflect! Anything but having to address our own failures.
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pathetic little tramp posted:While this is going on, the right wing media is trying to dox the hunger strike kid as being wealthy, which proves... Rich people aren't supposed to have a conscious. This is alien to the conservative. It must be a trick.
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Typical Pubbie posted:Rich people aren't supposed to have a conscious. This is alien to the conservative. It must be a trick. No, according to Rush-bo, Rich People who allign with Liberal Causes are only lying to trying and keep people from getting their money.
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pathetic little tramp posted:While this is going on, the right wing media is trying to dox the hunger strike kid as being wealthy, which proves... That is hosed up on so many levels
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Nov 11, 2015 16:45
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The new president and Chancellor have been announced, Herman Cain and Ben Carson. Your move, libblacks.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:A bunch of reporters will be salty for a few days and then they'll move on to something else. Mizzou will end up doing something lovely and be back in the news as assholes. Y'all are really blowing this all out of proportion. They are clearly false flags because no Real American would do anything like this it's really Obama trying to institute martial sharia law and take our guns! 
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Nov 11, 2015 17:01
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I'm so sorry you guys so sorry 
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Mr Interweb posted:http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-ted-cruz-s-tax-plan It's all based on magicking up a quantification for "incentive to work & invest". Every number past that is entirely made up anyways.
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...799322675f.htmlquote:Melissa Click shut herself in her university office on Tuesday afternoon, and sobbing could be heard through the door.
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Time to read So You've Been Publicly Shamed by Jon Ronson
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Apparently Hunter M. Park was arrested in Rolla, and authorities say he was not on or near campus at the time the threats were made on yikyak and other social media, according to the Columbia Tribune. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's absolutely not how yikyak works, correct? Is it possible that he spoofed his location to post in the mizzou area, or is there another guy they need to be looking for?
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Bluedeanie posted:Apparently Hunter M. Park was arrested in Rolla, and authorities say he was not on or near campus at the time the threats were made on yikyak and other social media, according to the Columbia Tribune. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's absolutely not how yikyak works, correct? Is it possible that he spoofed his location to post in the mizzou area, or is there another guy they need to be looking for? There is a different Missouri public university there, perhaps they have a shared one? But yeah, I thought YikYak was much more limited to location than that.
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Mr Interweb posted:http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-ted-cruz-s-tax-plan 13.9% GDP growth over a decade is pretty terrible too, especially since all of the GOP candidates are hammering on current growth (just over 2% per year) being too low.
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