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tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006
Guten Abend, meine Damen und Herren.

PT6A posted:

Look at the results of the recent low-level elections in the States: these chucklefucks can't even be bothered to go vote when they're supposedly excited.

A lot of it is because most of the races are horribly uncompetitive. Where I vote, everything that isn't a statewide vote is almost assuredly a lock for the Republicans, and where my wife votes, everything is basically a lock for the Democrats.

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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

tagesschau posted:

A lot of it is because most of the races are horribly uncompetitive. Where I vote, everything that isn't a statewide vote is almost assuredly a lock for the Republicans, and where my wife votes, everything is basically a lock for the Democrats.

On the other hand, look at the HERO vote in Houston. That's something that should've been approved, except progressives stayed home with their thumbs up their asses, and a bunch of reactionary cunts went to the poll because the "men in women's bathrooms!" horseshit got people out.

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate

Slightly Toasted posted:

Oh man I don't expect that to happen but that would just be christmas

There is a pretty serious rumour floating around the media world that the Sun chain outside of Toronto is done shortly and will be folded into the other Postmedia papers.

Amgard
Dec 28, 2006

PT6A posted:

On the other hand, look at the HERO vote in Houston. That's something that should've been approved, except progressives stayed home with their thumbs up their asses, and a bunch of reactionary cunts went to the poll because the "men in women's bathrooms!" horseshit got people out.

When it comes to galvanizing their bases, the bog-standard leftist interest is beset more from problems internally than any external pressure.

It is the reason that progressive politics is really just a sad, tired, impotent joke. :smith:

quote:

There is a pretty serious rumour floating around the media world that the Sun chain outside of Toronto is done shortly and will be folded into the other Postmedia papers.

Disregard that. Commence Turgidity. :getin:

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Specifically, the rumour is from Frank Magazine.

http://frankmag.ca/2015/11/postmedia-to-shut-down-dailies-in-ottawa-calgary-and-edmonton/

The editor in chief of the Edmonton Journal denies it, but then, she might not even know.

http://albertapolitics.ca/2015/11/so-long-suns-frank-magazine-says-postmedia-will-merge-dailies-in-edmonton-and-calgary/

All Frank is saying is the source is "reliable." Also, they have a sassy rebuttal to denials.

http://frankmag.ca/2015/11/remedial-media-toastmedia-meltdown/

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

When Mansbridge said the PM would be arriving shortly to the War Memorial, I instinctively shuddered and rolled my eyes before I remembered he was talking about Trudeau.

JohnnyCanuck
May 28, 2004

Strong And/Or Free

sbaldrick posted:

There is a pretty serious rumour floating around the media world that the Sun chain outside of Toronto is done shortly and will be folded into the other Postmedia papers.
I hope the Citizen gets the Sun entertainment writers and NOTHING. ELSE.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

JohnnyCanuck posted:

I hope the Citizen gets the Sun entertainment writers and NOTHING. ELSE.

How about the sports people.

JohnnyCanuck
May 28, 2004

Strong And/Or Free

bunnyofdoom posted:

How about the sports people.

We've fired Ken Warren and replaced him with BRUCE GARRIOCH

*JohnnyCanuck's hanged body swings limply in the breeze*

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Canadian federal judge Robin Camp acquitted Alexander Scott of sexual assault in September 2014 while still a Calgary provincial court judge – a decision later overturned by Alberta Court of Appeal.

At various points during the initial trial, Judge Camp asked the complainant, a 19-year-old homeless woman: “Why didn’t you just sink your bottom down into the basin so he couldn’t penetrate you?” and “Why couldn’t you just keep your knees together?”


The Calgary Herald reported that because the complainant said she had asked her alleged attacker if he had a condom, Judge Camp told the court that it was “an inescapable conclusion (that) if you have one I’m happy to have sex with you”.

He also said the complainant had not explained “why she allowed the sex to happen if she didn’t want it?”

Mr Camp was appointed in June to the Federal court of Ottawa but his conduct is now being reviewed by the Canadian Judicial Council.

Judge Camp has since apologised and volunteered to have gender sensitivity counselling.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
THat's been making the rounds for a while out here. Dude's going to get strung up, in all likelihood, and he loving deserves it for being such a piece of poo poo with utterly terrible judgement.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
In other terrible judge news:

The officer who got caught beating an innocent man so brutally that he broke bones is found guilty and loses 5 days pay

quote:

...retired justice Lee Ferrier ruled the assault on Nobody was “barely over the line of wrongfulness,” and the fallout from the assault has “wreaked havoc on the life of this officer,”

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
lol if u think the criminal justice system in canada is fair

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

Baloogan posted:

lol if u think the criminal justice system in canada is fair

lol if you lol!!!

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Why hasn't melian been posting robust defences of the martial classes

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Kafka Esq. posted:

lol if you lol!!!

I lol two lols before I lol two lols, and then I lol two more

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Cultural Imperial posted:

Why hasn't melian been posting robust defences of the martial classes

It's November 11th so he is otherwise occupied.

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib
Is there any disciplinary or punitive processes in place for terrible judges like these, aside from the Judicial Council tut-tutting at them?

Cultural Imperial posted:

lol if you think

Blind Sally posted:

lol if you think

Sedge and Bee posted:

lol if you think

Baloogan posted:

lol if u think

Don't make me go and dig through the previous thread to find more instances of this :mad:

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
nooooo my alt accounts

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Brannock posted:

Is there any disciplinary or punitive processes in place for terrible judges like these, aside from the Judicial Council tut-tutting at them?


lol if you think The criminal justice system is pretty lackluster in terms of sentences for crimes, so what makes you think the supervisory board that oversees the judges themselves would be any better? It will be a slap on the wrist at best, perhaps a counseling course at worst.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
language is a living thing, lol if u think ur not gonna see more of that

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

jm20 posted:

lol if you think The criminal justice system is pretty lackluster in terms of sentences for crimes, so what makes you think the supervisory board that oversees the judges themselves would be any better? It will be a slap on the wrist at best, perhaps a counseling course at worst.

Tough on crime: a terrible mistake until it's applied to people I don't like.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

jm20 posted:

The criminal justice system is pretty lackluster in terms of sentences for crimes

Please elaborate.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

PT6A posted:

Tough on crime: a terrible mistake until it's applied to people I don't like.

There's a difference between being tough on crime and allowing those who abuse positions of authority to do so with impunity.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

OSI bean dip posted:

Please elaborate.

Vehicular Manslaughter, NCR, NCR due to drug/alcohol/PTSD/etc

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008
Prisons are hellish dystopias rife with corruption, petty bullying and abuse of authority at the hands of the guards.

Anecdote: someone I know who was prescribed fentanyl patches for pain management had to serve intermittent sentences on weekends. Prior to their arrival, the guards informed the prisoners that they would be coming in possession of the patches. Upon entering the block they were catcalled with "fen-friend", threats and similar. They had to serve the sentence in solitary for their own protection because the facility was otherwise unable to accommodate. The guards would deny medication or leave the cell light on 24 hours a day as a punishment for perceived ill behavior or "attitude". This person was also openly mocked for their appearance by the guards and was never given direct answers regarding their rights or entitlements. They were released at inconsistent times. The guards made threats when the prisoner's rights (such as they are) were exercised. Et cetera et cetera.

I'd be more sympathetic to the notion that Canada is light on sentencing if our estimable prison guards didn't take it upon themselves to extract their own extrajudicial pound of flesh.

unlimited shrimp fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Nov 11, 2015

P.d0t
Dec 27, 2007
I released my finger from the trigger, and then it was over...

PT6A posted:

Tough on crime: a terrible mistake until it's applied to people I don't like.

See also: free speech. "Everyone should have it except stupid people who I don't like!"

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
I wish today was an opportunity to talk about Canadians forced into service through conscription. Or homeless veterans. Or veterans who can't get the healthcare they need. Or sexual assault and harassment in the forces. Or the fact that war is a racket designed to redirect wealth to corporate interests. Or the human collateral damage to war. Or the fact that the Canadian military was beholden to British Imperial forces for most of its history which put people into concentration camps in the Boer War. But I guess all that is "disrespectful." Let's have a stoic old man in uniform, misty-eyed and "thank" veterans for their service so we can ignore them the other 364 days of the year.

Anyway, #lestweforget

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

jm20 posted:

Vehicular Manslaughter, NCR, NCR due to drug/alcohol/PTSD/etc

So you're saying that those who are mentally unfit should face stiffer penalties? You're not elaborating much other than throwing around a statement here and then spitting off acronyms as if it's a defence.

P.d0t
Dec 27, 2007
I released my finger from the trigger, and then it was over...

peter banana posted:

I wish today was an opportunity to talk about Canadians forced into service through conscription. Or homeless veterans. Or veterans who can't get the healthcare they need. Or sexual assault and harassment in the forces. Or the fact that war is a racket designed to redirect wealth to corporate interests. Or the human collateral damage to war. Or the fact that the Canadian military was beholden to British Imperial forces for most of its history which put people into concentration camps in the Boer War. But I guess all that is "disrespectful." Let's have a stoic old man in uniform, misty-eyed and "thank" veterans for their service so we can ignore them the other 364 days of the year.

Anyway, #lestweforget

I absolutely agree with like all of that, aside from not really knowing/caring about the Boer War; European powers were a bunch of dicks and we fell under that purview for a long time. I think militarily at least, the western powers have improved over the years w/r/t to trying to minimize civilian casualties and stuff (if failingly) particularly contrasted with how Russia is presumably conducting their operations in Syria, for example.

I think Trudeau is probably the politician to address stuff like homelessness, healthcare, and sexual assault/harassment in the military. I totally believe that the military serves an invaluable function in any society, but its members still need to be made decent human beings who can integrate into normal society. It looks like the Liberals are actually going to look into those high-profile harassment cases within the RCMP, so here's hoping..?

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
You must have been watching a different ceremony than I was, because the reporters were repeatedly talking about the need for better support of injured veterans, and the ministers of national defence and veteran's affairs both reinforced that message, both on television and social media.

We can easily discuss the other issues, the ones that don't involve veterans and their welfare, on the other 364 days of the year. Especially considering the date -- the end of WW1 -- I think Remembrance Day already recognizes especially the futility and horror of war. If you're reading other things into it, maybe the problem is on your end.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

OSI bean dip posted:

So you're saying that those who are mentally unfit should face stiffer penalties? You're not elaborating much other than throwing around a statement here and then spitting off acronyms as if it's a defence.

NCR due to episodic schizophrenia. Feel free to defend "science" in this case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
While we are on this topic, child molesters should be sentenced to the gallows.

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

PT6A posted:

You must have been watching a different ceremony than I was, because the reporters were repeatedly talking about the need for better support of injured veterans, and the ministers of national defence and veteran's affairs both reinforced that message, both on television and social media.

We can easily discuss the other issues, the ones that don't involve veterans and their welfare, on the other 364 days of the year. Especially considering the date -- the end of WW1 -- I think Remembrance Day already recognizes especially the futility and horror of war. If you're reading other things into it, maybe the problem is on your end.

How many people forced into military service against their will is sufficient for you? That's definitely something that is never talked about with regards to the World Wars.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

jm20 posted:

While we are on this topic, child molesters should be sentenced to the gallows.

K

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

peter banana posted:

How many people forced into military service against their will is sufficient for you? That's definitely something that is never talked about with regards to the World Wars.

What does this have to do with anything? They, along with soldiers who volunteered, are all honoured and remembered on this day. Conscription is bad, and our armed forces are currently composed exclusively of volunteers, so it's not a modern issue. It's part of our history that we need to discuss and not shy away from, but at least in my experience, it was covered very even-handedly in school. What do you want me to say? We should, all of us, self-flagellate because a government made a poo poo decision nearly a century ago?

EDIT: Seriously, how do you think this is "never talked about?" It's talked about as frequently as any of the other issues surrounding the World Wars, in my experience.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Sep 9, 2022

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

PT6A posted:

What does this have to do with anything? They, along with soldiers who volunteered, are all honoured and remembered on this day. Conscription is bad, and our armed forces are currently composed exclusively of volunteers, so it's not a modern issue. It's part of our history that we need to discuss and not shy away from, but at least in my experience, it was covered very even-handedly in school. What do you want me to say? We should, all of us, self-flagellate because a government made a poo poo decision nearly a century ago?

EDIT: Seriously, how do you think this is "never talked about?" It's talked about as frequently as any of the other issues surrounding the World Wars, in my experience.

Sorry, when was it mentioned today?

We need to talk about it in a current context because everyone who talks about veterans today conforms to the narrative that they did what they did "for us." Which is bullshit. Wars are fought to protect territory and corporate interests. Read "War is a Racket" by Smedley Butler. Many were forced to serve. People protested and were beaten and arrested. Yes, we absolutely should acknowledge lovely part of our history, particularly today when we claim to remember "all veterans."

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

peter banana posted:

Sorry, when was it mentioned today?

We don't need to mention every bad thing explicitly every day. I feel like you really have an ideological axe to grind here, and I find it distasteful.

You didn't even mention the mistreatment of First Nations soldiers upon their return, a black mark on our history that did actually get mentioned on CTV, so clearly that means you were in favour of it because you didn't say anything about it! Tip: that's a loving retarded line of logic, and I really hope you can see why.

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Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
I don't believe you can separate a persons physical actions from their mental state of mind, it's fairly straightforward. In the case of episodic <<insert mental illness>> where the end result is physical violence and at the extreme causal to death, there should not be a blurred line where for instance Vince Weiguang Li or Guy Turcotte should be free by any frame of the word free. The same applies to drinking and driving deaths whereby the responsible party basically gets 4-5 years tops for murdering people such as the pending case against Marco Muzzo (who will likely serve under 5 years).

If you really want to bring psychology into it, when a person is mentally fit, they should serve the remainder of their sentence as the rest of the population would, rather than release them into the streets. Keep in mind I'm not talking about petty crimes and having people serve 20 years for theft, I'm talking about murders and the soft velvet glove of the Canadian criminal justice system.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Sep 9, 2022

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