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Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007


My hero

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Time Crisis Actor
Apr 28, 2002

by Hand Knit
Gentle Ben gets upset with the press; claims that Obama didn't receive the same level of scrutiny that he's getting; proceeds to list off Obama conspiracy theories

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/11/07/ben-carson-has-weird-meltdown-on-live-t-v-says-obama-gets-treated-better-than-him-video/

Matthewtheman
Oct 20, 2015

by Lowtax

Top Bunk Wanker posted:

Out of all of the extremely valid and obvious ways to attack Ben Carson, attacking him on his surgical record isn't one of them.

This. Just because he messed up one time doesn't make him a bad surgeon. Even the best gently caress up sometimes.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

ATribeCalledKvetch
Nov 5, 2010

I do hate myself, but it has nothing to do with being Jewish.

mdemone posted:

Almost certainly. Remember, we are talking about an adult who converted in the 20th century to an apocalyptic religion that is based on the apocalypse happening in the mid-19th century. Reality is not his forte.

Bit late, but he didn't convert.

Matthewtheman
Oct 20, 2015

by Lowtax
https://vine.co/v/e3zalunYvxT

anime tupac
Oct 25, 2010

stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it

rakovsky maybe posted:

It's actually really sad that this guy is grinding his legacy into dust. There are schools and scholarships named after him in Detroit. He was an inspirational figure with a goddamned movie about his life and he's decided to destroy all of that for some sweet wingnut welfare.


Yeah this is what I was thinking during his extremely petulant press conference. I never knew about his weirder beliefs before this election, just that he was an honestly inspiring figure his community was justifiably proud of, and at this point I just feel bad (unless he's currently saying something hilarious, which I guess is often)


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/the-other-ben-carson-213333 posted:

Prince Havely thought he knew Ben Carson: how he stands, how he talks, how he holds his hands and how those hands hold a scalpel.

For 21 years, Havely has played Carson in “Ben Carson, M.D.,” a children’s theater production seen by a generation of Baltimore area school kids who read Carson’s memoir Gifted Hands as part of their curriculum. Long before Cuba Gooding Jr. played the neurosurgeon on film, before the “political outsider” wave swept the soft-spoken doctor from the far wing of the GOP debates to a center podium, it was Havely’s characterization that indoctrinated thousands of students in the tale of Carson’s rise from poverty to international medical celebrity.

But this year, Havely, 56, is seeing a new side of the man he helped turn into a local folk hero.

...

“He’s pretty … whew,” he says, trailing off.

dimebag dinkman
Feb 20, 2003

:smith:

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
lol

Welcome to the spotlight, Ben.

We were all waiting for the day you actually had to open your mouth and talk to the press.

Bob James
Nov 15, 2005

by Lowtax
Ultra Carp

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

nvm

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Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

Korne 1:1

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

double negative
Jul 7, 2003



That's pretty much the right reaction to that

Carson as a figure is so insane because he legitimately has an amazing life story, but through a mixture of unbridled ego not unfamiliar to doctors and what I have to believe is an honest desire to use his life story as a message of uplift (while earning an honest profit, of course) for other black folks coming from similar life conditions, he's fabricated this hilarious personal mythology that he's now put in danger because he's gotten too gassed on himself.

Gets pumped up after delighting a bunch of white conservatives by sticking it to Obama and officially cementing his status as Most Good One, decides to take it to another level. Fucks around and becomes the frontrunner, with all the scrutiny that status brings. Now, whatever happens, most of those who found in him an inspiration are left staring into the wreckage as his tales are picked apart and ridiculous words continue to shuffle out of his mouth. Went from being in idol to knowing that it's not even worth much effort reaching out to black voters because he's already ensured they'll never support him in significant numbers

By the way, what was Carson talking about during that prayer breakfast that made him so big? First and foremost, that inane HSA plan, which he has apparently still not figured out.

quote:

Here’s my solution. When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record and a health savings account [HSA], to which money can be contributed, pre-tax from the time you are born, to the time you die. When you die, you can pass it on to your family members so that when you’re 85 years old and you’ve got 6 diseases, you’re not trying to spend up everything. You’re happy to pass it on and nobody is talking about death panels. That’s number one.

Also,

quote:

When I pick up my Bible, you know what I see? I see the fairest individual in the Universe, God, and he’s given us a system. It’s called tithe. Now we don’t necessarily have to do it 10% but it’s principle. He didn’t say, if your crops fail, don’t give me any tithes. He didn’t say, if you have a bumper crop, give me triple tithes. So there must be something inherently fair about proportionality. You make $10 Billion dollars you put in a Billion. You make $10 you put in $1 – of course, you gotta get rid of the loopholes, but now now some people say, that’s not fair because it doesn’t hurt the guy who made $10 Billion dollars as much as the guy who made $10. Where does it say you have to hurt the guy. He’s just put in a billion in the pot. We don’t need to hurt him.

I bet Herman Cain is pissed he didn't think of the Christian angle on that extra %.

Maybe I'm saying this because I'm watching it unfold and it's so asinine, but in the history of black conservatism and its logic of racial uplift from like Booker T. to George Schuyler to now, Ben Carson might be the most interesting dude in the room. I want to write a book about this poo poo but it'd be like staring at the sun. How many Ben Carson quotes can you sift through before your brain vacates your skull?

-Blackadder-
Jan 2, 2007

Game....Blouses.

Darth123123 posted:

is my previously ultra racist conservative father supporting him doing work at a fair booth? my world is upside down. Ben Carson must be a messiah.

I actually know the answer to this. Conservatives really hate that "conservative" is so closely tied to being called racist because in modern times it's essentially code for "bad person", and since most people, conservatives included, don't actually think of themselves as bad people they take great pleasure in "proving" they're not racist by supporting conservative black politicians or having black friends.

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Triglav
Jun 2, 2007

IT IS HARAAM TO SEND SMILEY FACES THROUGH THE INTERNET

-Blackadder- posted:

I actually know the answer to this. Conservatives really hate that "conservative" is so closely tied to being called racist because in modern times it's essentially code for "bad person", and since most people, conservatives included, don't actually think of themselves as bad people they take great pleasure in "proving" they're not racist by supporting conservative black politicians or having black friends.

Huh, so what you're saying is that the world isn't as simple as the one in childhood stories, that everyone thinks they're the good guy?

soscannonballs
Dec 6, 2007

double negative posted:

Maybe I'm saying this because I'm watching it unfold and it's so asinine, but in the history of black conservatism and its logic of racial uplift from like Booker T. to George Schuyler to now, Ben Carson might be the most interesting dude in the room. I want to write a book about this poo poo but it'd be like staring at the sun. How many Ben Carson quotes can you sift through before your brain vacates your skull?

Is it weird that I thought you were talking about the wrestler and not Booker T Washington? I mean Booker T was a cool wrestler so it still kinda works.

Smoothrich
Nov 8, 2009
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-Blackadder- posted:

I actually know the answer to this. Conservatives really hate that "conservative" is so closely tied to being called racist because in modern times it's essentially code for "bad person", and since most people, conservatives included, don't actually think of themselves as bad people they take great pleasure in "proving" they're not racist by supporting conservative black politicians or having black friends.

Do you think conservatives are racist? Including black conservatives (aka "Uncle Toms")?

oystertoadfish
Jun 17, 2003

after the dnc in 2012 i was talking to some white guy who loved how bill clinton stuck it to those loving republicans and within the next ten minutes he said that robert griffin iii needed to cut his hair and that serena williams looked like an ape

it was to be expected

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Nov 8, 2009
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heard u like girls
Mar 25, 2013


god loving drat lol

e; ahem Kanye is gonna have a hard time with these pro-tier raps and theme songs already out there..

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Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Smoothrich posted:

Do you think conservatives are racist? Including black conservatives (aka "Uncle Toms")?

I don't think a majority of conservatives are racist but I do think being conservative makes you more likely to be.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

A few key conservative virtues overlap with features of racist belief and behavior, like the valuation of conformity and hierarchy and the belief that simplicity is better than complexity. There's also another set of conservative virtues that makes them dismiss or ignore racism, like the denial of systemic inequality or cultural construction in favor of personal responsibility and equality of opportunity.

This is all independent of Lee Atwater and the Republican strategy of courting racists and crafting narratives that appeal to them in particular.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
hierarchy is cool as long as I am on top :smuggo:

Wanamingo
Feb 22, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Therefore the truth is in the middle and it doesn't matter which side is worse

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

Maybe I'll drown
There's racists in both ideologies, conservatism and its adherents just seem to be especially primed for being huge racist douchebags

The Phlegmatist
Nov 24, 2003

double negative posted:

By the way, what was Carson talking about during that prayer breakfast that made him so big? First and foremost, that inane HSA plan, which he has apparently still not figured out.

He also said indigent patients' medical bills would be covered by HSA accounts of people who were more well-off. Do you know what that is? It's a loving government-mandated cost-sharing plan.

Also that insurers should be regulated like non-profits and kept to a very low percentage of profit annually.

And the government should provide catastrophic coverage so insurers don't have to cover it or include it in their risk assessments.

Carson's basically like a stealth socialist on health care.

shiksa
Nov 9, 2009

i went to one of these wrestling shows and it was... honestly? frickin boring. i wanna see ricky! i want to see his gold chains and respect for the ftw lifestyle

The Phlegmatist posted:

He also said indigent patients' medical bills would be covered by HSA accounts of people who were more well-off. Do you know what that is? It's a loving government-mandated cost-sharing plan.

Also that insurers should be regulated like non-profits and kept to a very low percentage of profit annually.

And the government should provide catastrophic coverage so insurers don't have to cover it or include it in their risk assessments.

Carson's basically like a stealth socialist on health care.

Stupid idiot thought that the way Jesus did things would be in line with the Jesus party.

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

The Phlegmatist posted:



Carson's basically like a stealth socialist on health care.

Yea OK.

Everyone should know by now that what Carson says and what he says he means can be miles apart, and usually not revealed until he needs to accuse the media of misquoting him.

AARP LARPer
Feb 19, 2005

THE DARK SIDE OF SCIENCE BREEDS A WEAPON OF WAR

Buglord

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Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
i want to vote for this heavily medicated psychopath

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Top City Homo posted:

i want to vote for this heavily medicated psychopath

Medicated by Jesus lol

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

PT6A posted:

Medicated by Jesus lol

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Nov 8, 2009
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yeehaw, carson 2016

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heard u like girls
Mar 25, 2013

The Phlegmatist posted:

Carson's basically like a stealth socialist on health care.

From what i gathered from Shanky Ben, everyone gets an account worth 2000 and if that doesn't cover your medical costs you can go gently caress you, and rob you'r elders accounts after which everyone dies happily ever after. Or something

Boomstick Quaid
Jan 28, 2009
No talk of death panels instead elders just take a look at their health account, look at their children and grandchildren, suck it up and die

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Nov 8, 2009
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Humans Among Us posted:

From what i gathered from Shanky Ben, everyone gets an account worth 2000 and if that doesn't cover your medical costs you can go gently caress you, and rob you'r elders accounts after which everyone dies happily ever after. Or something

Our elders (and the government) already robbed millennial generation's accounts. His plan is basically to keep Medicare for all the old people already on it, and initiate a solvent personal savings account for people who are currently funding the baby boomer retiree bubble that will burst and implode and destroy all the entitlement programs for America forever

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Nov 8, 2015

by zen death robot
Just watched the closing debate statements. LOL carson goes on saying all these bullshit wacky statements about so many people kiling themselves during the debate and the crap. Did anyone look into it to see how many actually did?

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