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Croccers
Jun 15, 2012
Is this the set-up for a gay porn?
:v: I can *ahem* help with your bad decisions

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Underwhelmed
Mar 7, 2004


Nap Ghost

QuarkJets posted:

It's interesting how Bethesda has managed to so effectively lower expectations without their bottom line suffering too much

Like the Adam Sandler of game making.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

Croccers posted:

Is this the set-up for a gay porn?
:v: I can *ahem* help with your bad decisions

no, but i do have a copy of blue heat, the inexplicable porno detective fmv simulator (the box proudly claims that it STARS ELLIOTT GOULD but as far as I know he's not aactually in it)

PantsBandit
Oct 26, 2007

it is both a monkey and a boombox
Part of me thinks that there are fundamental issues with the gamebryo engine that just make it unfeasible to release these games in a reasonable timeframe without significant glitchiness. The games would probably benefit from an engine overhaul, but doing that is a much bigger undertaking and "its what the fans want" definitely isn't enough of a reason for it to happen by itself.

Doesn't explain the ui stuff though

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

It really feels like Gamebryo should have been retired after Fallout 3, it's hard to believe that they keep releasing games on such a janky foundation

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Fallout does not let me gently caress Liberty Prime. 0/10/

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

Ragequit posted:

Which area? I don't recall that. I was able to backtrack everywhere and 100% the game.
Doesn't it lock you out of the three Macguffin levels? I don't think there's any powerups in there but it can screw you out of the map % cheevo.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

~ shameful ~





Soiled Meat

SynthOrange posted:

Fallout does not let me gently caress Liberty Prime. 0/10/

give the modders some time

Hrvstmn31
Aug 2, 2014

You did what in your cup?
Shadows of Mordor any good? All I remember is people talking poo poo about it when it first came out?

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

Hrvstmn31 posted:

Shadows of Mordor any good? All I remember is people talking poo poo about it when it first came out?

The nemesis system is awesome but the game itself is pretty drat easy.

doctor 7
Oct 10, 2003

In the grim darkness of the future there is only Oakley.

Hrvstmn31 posted:

Shadows of Mordor any good? All I remember is people talking poo poo about it when it first came out?

If you like Assassin's Creed combined with Batman: Arkham Asylum combat system (including both games' love for a bunch of collectible bullshit some people hate) then you'll like it.

Nuramor
Dec 13, 2012

Most Amewsing Prinny Ever!

anilEhilated posted:

Doesn't it lock you out of the three Macguffin levels? I don't think there's any powerups in there but it can screw you out of the map % cheevo.

Yes. You lose access to the those sublevels. The one other area hat has a missable powerup is the "Misty Woods" area, since the map changes once you reach the end.

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

~ shameful ~





Soiled Meat

Hrvstmn31 posted:

Shadows of Mordor any good? All I remember is people talking poo poo about it when it first came out?

it's great unless you really hate batman combat, quick tip is to never upgrade health ever if you want to keep it at least somewhat challenging

the beginning is an okay challenge, but it's when you get to the second half and you're skilled and buffed up, and you get how the systems work that you start steamrolling everything and also you get the hypnotizin skill

Hrvstmn31
Aug 2, 2014

You did what in your cup?
Sweet thanks ya'll I'm going to go ahead and pick it up then.

TastyLemonDrops
Aug 6, 2008

you said "drop kick" fyi
I'm kinda disappointed that I haven't run into more than one glitch in Fallout 4. I shot a raider with a pistol, which catapulted him straight up into the air for some reason.

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012

TastyLemonDrops posted:

I'm kinda disappointed that I haven't run into more than one glitch in Fallout 4. I shot a raider with a pistol, which catapulted him straight up into the air for some reason.
The Behemoths don't catapult you up into the air when they bash you into the ground :(

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013
Eh, I think the predictability of Bethesda games is a good thing - at this point anyone who paid attention to their games knows what to do: buy the game 2 - 3 years after release once the ultimate edition is out and preferably on sale and (by now generally stable, polished and compatible) mods fix most problems and enhance the actual good features in the game. :v:

Also in Fallout 4 case there is additional reason in that you should wait and see if someone wont try some paid mods shenigans again.

Raffles
Dec 7, 2004

Who here has played Besiege and can tell me if its a good video game or not?

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Depends on how creative you get, really. It's not as much a game as an art form.

A good poster
Jan 10, 2010

TastyLemonDrops posted:

I'm kinda disappointed that I haven't run into more than one glitch in Fallout 4. I shot a raider with a pistol, which catapulted him straight up into the air for some reason.

Does an infinite money glitch count?

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


PantsBandit posted:

Part of me thinks that there are fundamental issues with the gamebryo engine that just make it unfeasible to release these games in a reasonable timeframe without significant glitchiness. The games would probably benefit from an engine overhaul, but doing that is a much bigger undertaking and "its what the fans want" definitely isn't enough of a reason for it to happen by itself.

Doesn't explain the ui stuff though

Look at almost any other game that uses gamebryo. I never had a glitch problem with Civ 4.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"
If anyone's been on the fence about getting Space Engineers, the developers have announced that the planet patch will be dropping in the next weekly update (ie; early tomorrow). It's also adding some actual enemy critters in the form of man-sized six-legged bugs called Saberoids along with other things like aerospace engines (slightly stronger than basic ion thrusters, but only work in atmosphere). They're ugly planets Buggy Planets!

Would you like to know more?

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004
From the "boy, this is a weird headline" news, the contents of the next Humble Bundle has been announced by a government agency: It'll focus on games made in Singapore.

No word on what the pricing tiers will be, but the games involved are...
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Phantoms (...which is apparently an F2P game, so I guess it's an item pack?)
Ravenmark: Scourge Of Estellion
Holy Potatoes! A Weapon Shop?!
Rocketbirds: Harboiled Chicken
Cubetractor
Devil's Dare
Dusty Revenge: Co-Op Edition
Autumn Dynasty
Mooncake Shop

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



PantsBandit posted:

Part of me thinks that there are fundamental issues with the gamebryo engine that just make it unfeasible to release these games in a reasonable timeframe without significant glitchiness. The games would probably benefit from an engine overhaul, but doing that is a much bigger undertaking and "its what the fans want" definitely isn't enough of a reason for it to happen by itself.

Doesn't explain the ui stuff though
It was overhauled for Skyrim and it basically did nothing for it. They need to scrap the entire thing and ask ID to teach them how to use one of theirs. And yeah, "what the fans want" might not be a compelling reason, but their games are starting to show their age, and it's only a matter of time before their world-building can no longer make up for the inherited jank.

Ragequit
Jun 1, 2006


Lipstick Apathy

Nuramor posted:

Yes. You lose access to the those sublevels. The one other area hat has a missable powerup is the "Misty Woods" area, since the map changes once you reach the end.

Ah, I do remember that one now. Must have been lucky enough to grab everything before the sub levels were closed off.

Junkenstein
Oct 22, 2003

New Sensible Soccer, anyone?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-11-12-remember-sensible-soccer-jon-hare-returns-with-sociable-soccer

Does the version of SWOS on GOG play nice with modern computers and controllers, by the way?

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


Ghostlight posted:

It was overhauled for Skyrim and it basically did nothing for it. They need to scrap the entire thing and ask ID to teach them how to use one of theirs. And yeah, "what the fans want" might not be a compelling reason, but their games are starting to show their age, and it's only a matter of time before their world-building can no longer make up for the inherited jank.
They should just buy REDengine 3 from CD Projekt at this point but given Bethesda's position in the industry they feel the need to develop a new engine by themselves which they can't manage due to time/money constraints so they're stuck with repainting Gamebryo again.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Honestly, if they're concerned about quality at all, they can just license loving Unreal. Gamebryo's way past the botox stage.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP
Have you guys heard that the new Call of Duty is *still* using the Quake 3 engine?

Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER
I feel like there must have been some stuff in those areas because I was missing the last Life and Energy Cells, and didn't see any on the map even with the skills for them.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

Ghostlight posted:

It was overhauled for Skyrim and it basically did nothing for it. They need to scrap the entire thing and ask ID to teach them how to use one of theirs. And yeah, "what the fans want" might not be a compelling reason, but their games are starting to show their age, and it's only a matter of time before their world-building can no longer make up for the inherited jank.
Every new Bethesda release lives and dies on its content creation pipeline and mod friendliness. The average person is literally buying square feet of over world and number of interesting dungeons, with the promise of cat girl models they can download sometime in the future, on top of stuff getting as gritty as total rendering overall mods. It will be this way until the center collapses on itself when jank outweighs pounds of content and modability, but so far they've maintained organic sales growth while their releases are getting no better about jank.

Late era id tech seems like a pretty poor choice for open world, easy content creation, and modability so I could understand them being reluctant to pick up shop and move over. As mentioned, id has already done an overhaul in prep for Skyrim, so we probably have what we're going to have until the market implodes.

Incidentally I bet there's a really funny and interesting email from Carmack explaining in very mathematical and programmatic ways about why they Bethesda engine is liable to explode at any moment.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

Hrvstmn31 posted:

Sweet thanks ya'll I'm going to go ahead and pick it up then.

Remember to let yourself be killed every now and then. I remember reading a ton of posts mentioning the nemesis system doesn't work well unless you actually let a few enemies kill you and become your nemesis.

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


computer parts posted:

Have you guys heard that the new Call of Duty is *still* using the Quake 3 engine?

And the latest one (Blops 3) still manages the impressive feat of running like complete garbage on the Xbox One :laugh:

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

zedprime posted:

Every new Bethesda release lives and dies on its content creation pipeline and mod friendliness. The average person is literally buying square feet of over world and number of interesting dungeons, with the promise of cat girl models they can download sometime in the future, on top of stuff getting as gritty as total rendering overall mods. It will be this way until the center collapses on itself when jank outweighs pounds of content and modability, but so far they've maintained organic sales growth while their releases are getting no better about jank.

The average person doesn't download mods.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
If we're talking about averages, the average person has bought Fallout 4 on PS4 or XBox One. PC sales are probably super-high too but most people buy and play games on consoles.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
Good thing I talked about included content first as if it was more important than mods, then!

Mr E
Sep 18, 2007

Saoshyant posted:

And the latest one (Blops 3) still manages the impressive feat of running like complete garbage on the Xbox One :laugh:

It isn't impressive to run bad on that

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

zedprime posted:

Good thing I talked about included content first as if it was more important than mods, then!

The idea that they're waiting for the promise of anything related to mods is false.

It's like the idea that fans are waiting for those valliant modders to patch Bethesda's games. The majority of PC owners likely don't even use mods, let alone whatever unofficial patch you're thinking of.

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.

computer parts posted:

Have you guys heard that the new Call of Duty is *still* using the Quake 3 engine?

Didn't you also try to genuinely claim they got rid of Gamebryo for Skyrim, I get liking the games but why someone would keep repeatedly defending Bethesda's terrible engine I have a hard time understanding.

It's certainly not the exact same thing as it was in Oblivion and they have improved on it quite a bit but unlike with Quake 3 and Call of Duty, the similarities between what it was then and what it is now are still incredibly obvious and they still share a lot of the same issues.

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zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

computer parts posted:

The idea that they're waiting for the promise of anything related to mods is false.

It's like the idea that fans are waiting for those valliant modders to patch Bethesda's games. The majority of PC owners likely don't even use mods, let alone whatever unofficial patch you're thinking of.
I must be imaginary because I buy every Bethesda release figuring this will be the one I fall down a mod hole, and then just end up downloading an interface one and never looking at mods again. The important part being buying because of mods even if I never touch them. Either way, Bethesda sees mods as a core marketing tenet if nothing else, as evidenced by the paid mods backpedal, and an announcement that they were making efforts to bring mods to consoles.

I think you are mistaking me for being hostile against Bethesda's engine with that valiant modders fixing the game stuff, I don't mind whatever allows them to put any extra holes in the ground to explore during their limited dev time, as long as it doesn't become disastrous some day.

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