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Large, open outdoor areas are the worst case for a portal engine so I would be surprised if Daggerfall originally used one. From what I remember the first thing he started was a Dark Forces engine. Then he started working on Blood and Daggerfall engines at the same time while DF was still in early alpha stages. Only later did he for some reason combine them all into XL. I remain fairly skeptical about the whole thing because Blood by itself would be an enormous amount of work to reverse engineer. He promised to release the source code a long time ago but keeps coming up with excuses to push it back. I expect him to plug away for a bit (on all three games at once of course, so none of them get close to done) and get everyone excited before announcing that the XL engine will now support CyClones and Cybermage, doing some bare minimum hacking on that, then vanishing again for 18 months.
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In a perfect world he actually delivers on what he promises, and a Dark Forces mod scene starts up.
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Casimir Radon posted:In a perfect world he actually delivers on what he promises, and a Dark Forces mod scene starts up. Also it's not an early FPS but I just played the UT4 pre-alpha and god drat not only does it look amazing it runs like a dream on high even on a GTX760.
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Yeah, I used to be all about the Dark Forces mod scene. Obviously nowhere near as active as the Doom mod scene, and a bit restricted by the fact that the game doesn't let you save mid-level (and that each level needs its own BAT file), but there's some great stuff there. The page you linked to was the main hub for it back in the heyday, and I assume it still is. I recall Mt. Kurek being one of the best ones.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Oh, I thought it was actually called the XL engine? The box for Daggerfall (that I still own Daggerfall's engine is the Xngine. XL engine is Lucius' stuff.
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Cat Mattress posted:Daggerfall's engine is the Xngine. XL engine is Lucius' stuff. Ah, right... I would have realized this had I actually taken a look at the box again. Totally misremembered it, thanks.
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Sir Lemming posted:Yeah, I used to be all about the Dark Forces mod scene. Obviously nowhere near as active as the Doom mod scene, and a bit restricted by the fact that the game doesn't let you save mid-level (and that each level needs its own BAT file), but there's some great stuff there. The page you linked to was the main hub for it back in the heyday, and I assume it still is. Midlevel saves and mouselook is a serious improvement and some really awesome stuff could be done with it.
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Nov 12, 2015 21:58
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Midlevel saves
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Nov 12, 2015 22:48
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I'm fine if we get proper mouse look and higher resolution, these two things at least.
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Shadow Hog posted:Midlevel saves
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Man, the Quake Live 'training' is still poo poo. The first one is good, but the other two are basically "here's a video proving it's possible but not explaining how, now you do it."
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That seems to be true for all games with grognardy fanbases and difficult controls. Il-2 Sturmovik's "training" consists of a text explanation of some of the very basics of flight while you watch someone else fly a plane. You can't actually do it yourself.
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Yeah, true. Though it doesn't always help when there's excellent training anyway... Skullgirls covers basically everything you could want to know, but the fighting game genre is just impenetrable to me.
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Keiya posted:Yeah, true. Though it doesn't always help when there's excellent training anyway... Skullgirls covers basically everything you could want to know, but the fighting game genre is just impenetrable to me. I checked out the tutorial for Skullgirls in the demo thinking it might help, but they really just had a bunch of movelists without a legend. That didn't really help me.
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Keiya posted:Man, the Quake Live 'training' is still poo poo. The first one is good, but the other two are basically "here's a video proving it's possible but not explaining how, now you do it." Yup, and there's not even the text tutorial to go along with it anymore either. Sucks, but on the other hand we're well past the part in the game's lifecycle where new people are coming in so not a huge loss overall.
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Ahoy started a lengthy, polished series of videos on Retro FPS history. Wolfenstein is first up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSb87DC-PtA
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The worst Build Engine game (non-Redneck Deer Hunter division) is now on Steam.
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I wouldn't be so sure, there's always a worse Build Engine game.
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Extreme Paintball 4.
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That's not Extreme Paintbrawl. Edit: Or I could get beaten by double checking that EPB did use Build.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lr_8Titu5A You guys are all wrong, it's totally Legend of the Seven Paladins 3D.
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I could never get Extreme Paintbrawl to run because it needed a Windows launcher that thwarted my DOSBOXing efforts. That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it. 
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Colon Semicolon posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lr_8Titu5A I'll loving fight you. That's a strange game though, but is it really worse than TekWar? Where's TekWarXL.
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I was actually looking to find some even weirder asian Build Engine games. in particular, I remember seeing one that was a 3rd person, multiple character RPG that was... actually not as awful as you'd think, considering everything going against it. I'd like to find it and play it at some point. There's a video of it on youtube, but hell if I remember the name to find it.
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Colon Semicolon posted:I was actually looking to find some even weirder asian Build Engine games. in particular, I remember seeing one that was a 3rd person, multiple character RPG that was... actually not as awful as you'd think, considering everything going against it. I'd like to find it and play it at some point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wELcD1lGvg
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Yeah, that's definitely it there. Though apparently it's built on a modified doom engine rather than Build. my bad there!
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Colon Semicolon posted:Yeah, that's definitely it there. Though apparently it's built on a modified doom engine rather than Build. my bad there!
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Definitely disagree with notion that WW II GI is the worst Build game. Extreme Paintbrawl definitely takes the cake, and this forgotten dreg is really close to bottom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRGnjhyVELw I have found an interview with the TNT Team http://dukertcm.com/knowledge-base/reviews-interviews/tnt-build-beginnings.html and it's kinda adorable that three modders made two commercial first person shooters released by a major publisher. Also Devil Daggers was Greenlit, and new screenshots were posted: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/updates/528160095/1447406088 laserghost fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Nov 14, 2015 |
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Apparently Night Dive were planning on doing a "speedrun contest" for NAM, where everyone who could prove that they actually beat the game fair and square would get some kind of prize for being some kind of superhuman.
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RiffRaff1138 posted:If you're looking for obscure shooters on YouTube, Marphitimus Blackimus is your man. This looks like your game, with an unfortunately generic, difficult-to-search-for title: A Romance of the Three Kingdoms third person semi-Doom engine game ? I almost want to play this. With the sound off.
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Colon Semicolon posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lr_8Titu5A That looks like it could be alright without that awful headbob.
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The Kins posted:Apparently Night Dive were planning on doing a "speedrun contest" for NAM, where everyone who could prove that they actually beat the game fair and square would get some kind of prize for being some kind of superhuman. I can do this. My life has purpose.
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laserghost posted:Also Devil Daggers was Greenlit, and new screenshots were posted: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/updates/528160095/1447406088 That looks and sounds awful 
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laserghost posted:Definitely disagree with notion that WW II GI is the worst Build game. Extreme Paintbrawl definitely takes the cake, and this forgotten dreg is really close to bottom: My favorite part of the sordid history of Jesse Petrilla's awful games is that a commercial fully 3D one got modded by a jihadist group (Hezbollah, I think?) into "Night of Bush Capturing" where you kill American soldiers and George W. Bush instead of Iraqi soldiers and Saddam Hussein with a soundtrack of ear-splittingly loud and clipped Islamic worship music. Jesse Petrilla will have to play it in hell.
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laserghost posted:
I'm so glad that we've moved past lovely lazy pixel aesthetics and lovely Minecraft into lovely Quake knockoff art.
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Woolie Wool posted:My favorite part of the sordid history of Jesse Petrilla's awful games is that a commercial fully 3D one got modded by a jihadist group (Hezbollah, I think?) into "Night of Bush Capturing" where you kill American soldiers and George W. Bush instead of Iraqi soldiers and Saddam Hussein with a soundtrack of ear-splittingly loud and clipped Islamic worship music. Jesse Petrilla will have to play it in hell. Petrilla also made a pretty cool demo for a full pirate themed TC for Duke3D, sadly only demo was released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipy7qGnEzXw netcat posted:That looks and sounds awful Elliotw2 posted:I'm so glad that we've moved past lovely lazy pixel aesthetics and lovely Minecraft into lovely Quake knockoff art. Come on, it's not bad. I certainly prefer slightly pixelized polygons and Quake'sque atmosphere to cel shading or pseudo voxels.
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