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DariusLikewise posted:Make sure you are drunk as gently caress first and then blame it on your rough home life. There is also the "I wasn't drunk, but i rushed home to drink before giving a breath/blood sample which explains the alcohol in my blood" defence. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/jail+time+former+RCMP+officer+Monty+Robinson+convicted+obstruction/6999826/story.html So what is the story, am I simply bias by the media or is there a systemic problem with sentences in Canada? How many examples must I cite from memory?
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Did a short prison sentence kill your dog or something
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Gorau posted:I just can't understand the xenophobia that so many Canadians have, or the rabid fear of immigration. If anything immigration in Canada should be higher, perhaps double or more than what it is now. People look at immigrants and fear the fact that they are different and will 'steal their job' and automatically reject immigration without actually thinking about it. Someone here once posted a few links to some cool studies done on immigration and almost all of them found that those countries benefit from it. Wish I had kept them, they would be handy right now with all these morons freaking out about it.
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Drunk driving isn't the same as a murder you plan out and wilfully commit. It's a lot closer to manslaughter.
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Ming the Merciless posted:Do you have a link to this? I'm trying to find it but not having much luck. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-romeo-dallaire-syrian-refugees-1.3228123
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Jordan7hm posted:Drunk driving isn't the same as a murder you plan out and wilfully commit. It's a lot closer to manslaughter. But what about victims 
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Jordan7hm posted:Drunk driving isn't the same as a murder you plan out and wilfully commit. It's a lot closer to manslaughter. Vehicular homicides face the same maximum penalties as manslaughter, however they are treated lighter overall than the manslaughter charge. THC posted:Did a short prison sentence kill your dog or something Feel free to discuss something else if our criminal system isn't your fancy.
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Baronjutter posted:What disorder makes people feel this way? I know people on the autism spectrum can sometimes be baffled by any sort of signs of affection and be driven to rage or just confusion from it.
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"Gay, as I’ve mentioned, is entirely fine. Fey is a pain in the arse." STR8 ACTING MASC ONLY NO FEMMES
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colonel_korn posted:Reminds me of the time Christie Blatchford saw two little boys hug each other and concluded that modern society was turning them into fags, or something. Jesus christ quote:But holy smokes, I am wearying of the male as delicate creature. I am wearying of men who are so frequently in touch with their feminine side they, not to mention me, have lost sight of the masculine one. I’m just plain sick of hugs, giving and getting, from just about anyone, but particularly man-to-man hugs. It can't get worse, can it... quote:I remain convinced that the best way to stop a bully is not to go mewling to the teacher, who will only call the victim’s mummy, or to your own mummy, who will only call the teacher. The best way is to take the bully out for a short pounding after school – and may I make it plain, please, that I don’t mean the victims should do this, but rather others. The onus for stopping bullies lies not with the people being bullied, but with those who see it happen. ...Uh..... quote:I know men have feelings too. I just don’t need to know much more than that. On any list of The 25 Things Every Man And Boy Should Know How To Do, hugging is not one of them. Killing bugs is. Whacking bullies is. Kissing is. Farting on cue is. Making the sound of a train in a tunnel is. Shooting a puck is. Hugging is not. 
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The thing I always found weird about the criminal justice system is that we punish people for the outcomes of their actions rather than the actions themselves. Stab someone and they are injured, but end up being okay? Not the same as stabing someone an inch to the left and killing them. Driving drunk and got lucky and didn't kill some? Not the same as driving drunk and happening upon a pedestrian and killing them. We should punish drunk drivers all the same, no matter the outcome. One got lucky, one didn't.
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Nov 12, 2015 21:56
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Helsing posted:On the subject of "what went wrong"? I think the following article is easily the best analysis of the NDP's defeat. It expresses several points that I've found myself struggling to articulate. I don't know, for some reason the article never seems to quite put its finger on what the Left is and what the NDP Left should be. We all have our own views about what leftist politics and policies should be, and those can range from the more libertarian to the more statist, along with the complexities of identity politics. But the article emphasizes a failure to communicate what the NDP ought to stand for when you've pointed out that the party leadership very consciously set out its platform well in advance. Is the NDP a leftist party with poor communication skills, or is it masquerading as one and needs to be changed within. The answer could be both, but I don't feel the article really reaches that conclusion.
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colonel_korn posted:Reminds me of the time Christie Blatchford saw two little boys hug each other and concluded that modern society was turning them into fags, or something. Where were these people when Harper did that photo-op fondling those kittens? In a bizarro world Trudeau would be the face in those photos and con pundits reaction would vary between laments about the empty, infantile fluff that not only encapsulates Trudeau's entire image but symbolizes his inner core to outright indictments of bestiality.
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jm20 posted:Vehicular homicides face the same maximum penalties as manslaughter, however they are treated lighter overall than the manslaughter charge. Gonna want to see some numbers on this.
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CLAM DOWN posted:http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/robyn-urback-justin-trudeaus-pdas-are-making-things-uncomfortable-for-some-of-us Are they running out of ammo already for JT?
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You don't have to effort post with anecdotal information.quote:Feel free to please cite examples of vehicular murder/homicide from canlii in the past 5 years where people actually get incarcerated for a significant period of time. Somebody fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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This is Obama Dijon mustard levels of petulant anger at losing.
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Median custodial sentence for homicide in Canada is like 6 years.
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Jordan7hm posted:Median custodial sentence for homicide in Canada is like 6 years. Consider these are also include plea deals for lesser charges, this opportunity doesn't (well it could) exist for vehicular related homicides.
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Can someone vehicular homicide Christie Blatchford? You'll probably get away with it. Thanks.
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Sedge and Bee posted:This is Obama Dijon mustard levels of petulant anger at losing.
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DariusLikewise posted:The thing I always found weird about the criminal justice system is that we punish people for the outcomes of their actions rather than the actions themselves. I think one of the many reasons for this is because the criminal justice system isn't only about punishing/reforming the perpetrator but restoring damage to the victims. Of course it gets really swampy when we are talking about human lives, as in your examples, but think about whether someone who swerves drunkenly off the road and ruins somebody's mailbox and another person who makes basically the same mistake but slams into a daycare. Should the crime of drunk driving realistically be treated as the same mistake? I'm sure the dude with the ruined mailbox wouldn't expect a life sentence but the parents who lost their children might.
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jm20 posted:Drunk, high, sneezing, whatever. Do the crime, do the time.
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Sedge and Bee posted:This is Obama Dijon mustard levels of petulant anger at losing. civil service is partisan, trudeau is surrendering to terrorists, and is friends with child pornographers  I'm moving to america next year, gently caress my taxes going to pay for anything in this shithole farce of a country.
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Is Canada really Going to get weed to be legal...
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The Golden Man posted:Is Canada really Going to get weed to be legal... Yes, but things will not get started before the cusp of the next election.
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DariusLikewise posted:The thing I always found weird about the criminal justice system is that we punish people for the outcomes of their actions rather than the actions themselves. Punishment doesn't work because people aren't in their right state of mind when they choose to drive drunk. What will deter drunk driving is the expansion of other options for getting home, including transit (with good hours and/or a special night bus system), taxis, ride-share services, services like Keys Please that drive you home in your own car, and finally building more drinking establishments and restaurants within walking distance of where people live. Greater enforcement, including checkstops, would also decrease drunk driving because most people consider the chance of getting caught far more than the possible punishment when choosing to commit a crime. Increasing punishment doesn't work, and has never worked, as a means of preventing crime. It doesn't matter if it's robbery, drug use, drunk driving, assault, etc. It doesn't work. There's no point to it, and it's more expensive than the alternative.
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jm20 posted:Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh how has be not been disbarred. Judges aren't members of the bar.
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crowoutofcontext posted:Yes, but things will not get started before the cusp of the next election. Next election will be the check to see if we really meant it on those promises.
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It's also, in general, a very good thing that judges are difficult to get rid of. This time, it has worked out very badly because this guy seems like a complete nitwit.
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The Golden Man posted:Is Canada really Going to get weed to be legal... it's supposed to be one of the first things justin trudeau does, so maybe
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Ikantski posted:
To a point, yes, but there are some issues that relate directly to infrastructure. Here's a bit of information explaining land ownership on reserves. They're allowed to act sovereign, but they don't actually own the land. http://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/home/government-policy/reserves.html I know someone who works youth outreach on the Nakoda Reserve, and she was telling me that after the 2013 flood, people on the reserve weren't allowed to do their own renovations to fix the water damage because the houses technically still belonged to the government so they had to wait for contractors to come in and do the work for them. She knew many families who were threatened with eviction for wanting to fix the houses they lived in. The people of Morley were set up in temporary trailers for over a year while a few of the homes were fixed. I drove past it a few times, it looked like a depressing situation. There are still houses in need of repairs or replacing, but the government has since removed the trailers because of the cost. Those people are currently homeless. Providing clean water is a very complicated issue that involves governments and governing bodies of multiple levels who all need to get together and communicate and it just isn't happening. I found this interview which explains it very well. http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/why-cant-we-get-clean-water-to-first-nation-reserves/ quote:You have Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development, who provide 80 per cent of funding toward water-treatment systems and infrastructure for First Nations communities. The chief and council need to provide 20 per cent. Then you have the role of Health Canada, who will monitor the drinking-water supply. But also, there are roles within First Nations where you have environmental health officers [who] may be employed through the tribal council, and who might be employed through Health Canada, also conducting water-quality assessment. And in some of the research that we’ve been doing recently, we’ve noted that there has not been consistent annual monitoring of First Nations water supply. And then, [for] raw water, there is Environment Canada. So when you think about it, water regulation and governance involves multi-institutions and is fragmented, because the individual government agencies don’t talk to each other.
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Is that website like a 101 course on current Reserve stuff? If it is, I'll have to give my weekend to it. I suppose I'll ask the newb question though: Why can't we just make it so that bands could be considered rough equivalents to a municipal government for the area? They should know what to need and how to do it. I know the Indian Act was paternalistic and all, but you can't expect some random office hundreds of miles away in Ottawa or Toronto to have to vet absolutely every little detail.
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The whole history of Indigenous rights to land is basically the government entitling land for "pragmatic" reasons and failing to provide any sort of reasonable infrastructure and somehow the popular opinion devolves into xenophobic bull. Some of the older examples are nearly hyperbolic when I first learned about them. Greater Production Campaign ostensibly gave Prairie natives land to farm on (to contribute to WW1 food production) but both the land and the materials they provided were not ending in with idiotic opinions about Native work ethic. I might be misremembering but I think there were a few efforts like this, always with the odds fixed against the Natives. High Arctic Relocation Process moved an entire group of Inuit from North Quebec to an inhospitable island near the North Pole ( ostensibly to return them to a traditional form of life but really for polar land claims and cold war reasons). The ice was so thick that ice fishing was impossible, several starve to death over the first winter, they were not allowed to go back to Quebec, even though they had been promised the option if things didnt work out. The survivors quickly learned whaling migration patterns and traveled extensively as to be always at a part of the large island where whales were offshore. "Resolute" is now an Arctic military training base.
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Jordan7hm posted:Gonna want to see some numbers on this. Haha are you making GBS threads me? It's essentially legal in North America to kill someone with your car as long as you do it sober and say "I didn't see them."
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