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Intel&Sebastian posted:Do we really need to take ted cruz, jindal and huckabee seriously now that they attended a Kevin Swanson conference where Kevin literally said we need laws on the books giving the death penalty for being gay? Have you paid any attention to the Republican electorate, at all, this cycle? They are out for blood and to, "take...our...gubvernment............back. Shucky ducky" If you've never taken the time to listen to Hermain Cain on WSB in Atlanta, spend 5 minutes doing so. It will open your eyes.
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meristem posted:Do the Republicans get superdelegates? I mean, they are supposed to be exactly this sort of a safety valve, aren't they? There are 3 superdelegates per state, but a lot of them are pledged to the candidate receiving the most votes in their state. It varies from state party to state party.
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Phlegmish posted:There's an anti-Paul PAC? Who the hell is afraid of Rand Paul. It was started by John Bolton. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBSlns7DwZQ
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Do we really need to take ted cruz, jindal and huckabee seriously now that they attended a Kevin Swanson conference where Kevin literally said we need laws on the books giving the death penalty for being gay? I wonder if Rubio gets the nom, who's he going to pick as VP?
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Phlegmish posted:I wonder if Rubio gets the nom, who's he going to pick as VP? A midwestern governor. Walker/Snyder/Rauner/(probably not)Kasich/Tpaw.
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Nov 12, 2015 22:03
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Joementum posted:It was started by John Bolton.
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Louisgod posted:I hope Cruz gets the nomination as he's a massive piece of poo poo that will get chewed up and spat out by Hillary or Sanders and get called out for literally never answering a question. Clinton and/or Sanders chew on pieces of poo poo? 
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Lemming posted:If he gets the nomination and the economy goes to poo poo over the summer there's a good chance he becomes president. That's enough to scare me. Same here, because the last thing we need is a republican 'fixing' the economy.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Do we really need to take ted cruz, jindal and huckabee seriously now that they attended a Kevin Swanson conference where Kevin literally said we need laws on the books giving the death penalty for being gay? We need to take the threat of Christian Reconstructionist ideology very seriously. If not for its violent fascism, than for how it's the engine pushing for federal and state level Religious Freedom Restoration Acts and similar backdoor theocracy legislation. Ben Carson was scheduled to be there, too, but his campaign (wisely) backed out at the last minute. Carson is one fervid revelation away from killing all the gays, but his manner of speaking is better at masking that than others.
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Joementum posted:It was started by John Bolton. Jesus Christ.
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Do It Once Right posted:We need to take the threat of Christian Reconstructionist ideology very seriously. If not for its violent fascism, than for how it's the engine pushing for federal and state level Religious Freedom Restoration Acts and similar backdoor theocracy legislation. That's not what fascism is.
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Joementum posted:This is really loving cool: http://fusion.net/interactive/213317/lose-yourself-in-our-massive-searchable-collection-of-candidates-social-media-photos/ First, that is a pretty cool site and everyone should check it out of they have not. Second, I started digging through their JSON file they posted. I'm trying to think of interesting things to mine from it.
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I understand we need to take the threat seriously, and that their party is so hosed that doing something like this doesn't even warrant an admonishment from ANYONE. What I don't understand is why the media, us, and anyone else watching hasn't broke under the weight of all the different gigantic red flags being thrown up gleefully by these morons? What major mechanism has to he broken in your party that three different candidates for president are allowed to do something so incredibly stupid? Even if they're just trolling around for book sales, where the gently caress is the Reince Priebus/Jeb bush/literally anyone with an R by their name who wants to get elected to an office higher than state rep? Why aren't they stopping this? Or at least ostracizing these people? WHY IS EVERYTHING SO DUUUUUMB
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It didn't become a big issue because, with the possible exception of Cruz, the people involved are non-entities. In the unlikely event of Cruz clinching the nomination, it's going to come back to haunt him in a big way.
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Because lots of dead gays is what the GOP base wants and anybody who wants to get elected can't say anything against it
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We aren't even out of primary season and I really feel like if I see that 47 percent or so endorse this party again, it's only marginally less scary than actual president carson or president Trump. I'd like to think that if the D's all got together and decided that endorsing a theorhetical "kill all Christians" policy wasn't even worthy of being denounced, I would consider not voting for them. So what the gently caress is wrong with the rest of us Americans? What possible existential threat is so horrible and, more importantly, so real that you sign off on something like this? What did Democrats do to them that was so convincingly bad that they'd rather get behind all the lovely unchristian, immoral, rude and/or just downright nasty stuff being defended JUST THIS LAST YEAR simply because a non-evangelical (aka liberal apperantly) doesnt like it? It's just really starting to boggle my mind that their party is so openly dysfunctional and yet so integral. Edit: and I'm well aware what they've been told are liberal americas big sins. My question is when so many of them are really really obvious pablum, while being confronted with so many real GOP problems and sins....where's the consistency? Is it a big troll on their part and they know they're the baddies? Is it just the death throes of white privelege? Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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HOW DID I MISS WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS?!?! http://gawker.com/lindsey-graham-deals-with-rejection-by-drinking-wine-an-1741910342
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I&S, stop trying to rationalize irrational behavior and your head will hurt less.
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Pompous Rhombus posted:HOW DID I MISS WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS?!?! who?
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Grey Fox posted:I&S, stop trying to rationalize irrational behavior and you won't feel so bad. It's less theirs, than the implicit idea that it's uncouth to call them out that we all live with. That I have to watch Mike Huckabee tell Jake Tapper he's making poo poo up when he tries to ask him why he's at a conference where the organizer has repeatedly called for the govt to kill citizens because of where they put their genitals. It's having to treat really obviously wrong, immoral and illogical people and policies as if they arent.
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More people need to call Cruz on that, and how when he was questioned about it he denied knowing that the person holding the conference ever said anything about killing gay people. You know, the thing he said at the conference Cruz was at. Cruz is a coward, basically; he knows that supporting those things will torpedo his reputation outside of the extremists, so he's denying it to the public while still doing things like attending those conferences to silently let evangelicals know that he's for it and get their support. He wants to have his cake and eat it, but it should backfire on him hard; anyone with a modicum of competence could use it to hit him with both groups, since the general public would find him repulsive if it was brought to light, while the hardcore right assholes who support that sort of thing will dislike him for his being ashamed and afraid to stand by his convictions or whatever. At the least, someone should be able to force him to take a definite stance there, which will gently caress him no matter which way he goes; standing for what that pastor said will make him repulsive to everyone but the extremists, while coming out against it will lose him evangelical support and gain him almost nothing because even without that most people are not going to like Ted Cruz. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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Intel&Sebastian posted:It's less theirs, than the implicit idea that it's uncouth to call them out that we all live with. That I have to watch Mike Huckabee tell Jake Tapper he's making poo poo up when he tries to ask him why he's at a conference where the organizer has repeatedly called for the govt to kill citizens because of where they put their genitals. edit: I understand your frustration, because often the only real recourse to this kind of behavior is to resort to the same reliance on emotional manipulation and massaging the facts to fit your narrative into a nice little package for soundbite purposes. If you have a soul, it feels sleazy as hell. Grey Fox fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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Cruz is the slimiest sort of poo poo that can eek out of an rear end in a top hat
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Grey Fox posted:It's only uncouth because the other guy did a better job at selling his story than the guy with the actual facts. It's 100% confidence, hence why it's a field full of con artists. I guess I blame the candidates less than the sick people who engender this as a valid position to occupy. I can't tell you which candidates are true believers and which are just really depraved grifters, but it's a reflection of something deeply wrong with their base that they're either serving up people who really believe this poo poo, or that they gravitate towards someone selling it. This primary and the recent stories about their outlier trend of old white conservatives dying of such much "despair" related causes is really scary. These people need help and they're just digging in further and getting cheered on by a bunch of snake oil salesman assholes.
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Oh gently caressquote:Well it looks like Trump is making a bid to take a chokehold over the headlines again. In an interview to be released later tonight, Erin Burnett says that Trump will compare Ben Carson’s “pathological disease” to that of a child molester’s. http://m.therightscoop.com/cnn-trump-says-ben-carsons-pathological-disease-is-just-like-a-child-molesters-condition/
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Intel&Sebastian posted:It's less theirs, than the implicit idea that it's uncouth to call them out that we all live with. That I have to watch Mike Huckabee tell Jake Tapper he's making poo poo up when he tries to ask him why he's at a conference where the organizer has repeatedly called for the govt to kill citizens because of where they put their genitals. Yeah don't over think it. It's not just one thing. It's a perfect storm of multiple influences coming together; talk radio meets Citizen's United meets Black President meets shifting demographic meets a dozen more things. Welcome to the new normal.
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I keep trying to view these things from the perspective of someone who wants a Republican president, but isn't an insane whackjob, and it's a nightmare. If someone confidently told me every strategic move theyve made from the tea party to today was some sort of elaborate inside job to tank the Republican party I would believe it. When in this mode, before this primary, I was thinking "we need to address the latino vote immediately and begin to marginalize our more radical voices. This is bad" and then Trump happened and that "pretty goddamn bad" place to be looks like a paradise compared to the shape they're in now.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:"Ben Carson = Child Molester" I agree.
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Update on the lovely Ben Carson sign in Houghton Lake, MI, I posted last week. The woman who made that sign is organizing Ben Carson's campaign in that part of the state. I'm told by locals that everyone she talks to she tried to convince them to vote for Ben Carson.
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IF Donald Trump actually likened Ben Carson to a Child Molester he's done. This is the moment everyone in the GOP has been waiting for. And once Donald is done it's Rubio/Cruz time.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I keep trying to view these things from the perspective of someone who wants a Republican president, but isn't an insane whackjob, and it's a nightmare. If someone confidently told me every strategic move theyve made from the tea party to today was some sort of elaborate inside job to tank the Republican party I would believe it. I'm still not entirely sure what the republican message is anymore once you've removed all the clearly insane bullshit. I'm pretty sure they had something at some point but I'm not sure where it went.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:When in this mode, before this primary, I was thinking "we need to address the latino vote immediately and begin to marginalize our more radical voices. This is bad" and then Trump happened and that "pretty goddamn bad" place to be looks like a paradise compared to the shape they're in now. Uhhh according to some noted posters and a whole lot of analysts apparently the latino vote will come pouring in because they secretly agree with Trump, just take a look at this unskewed poll Truth is, if you're not a whack job far right already-millionaire, the GOP has left you behind. If you don't identify with the Democratic policies even a little then you're basically unrepresented in government. Thank your fellow GOPers for giving the keys to the tea party I guess
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Do Not Resuscitate posted:Has Jeb fixed it yet? Does a Trump meltdown count?
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:I hope it didn't really happen, I want to see Trump go all the way to the end, run as a third party and seal the GOP's doom. The soothsayers are telling me that only the GOP can kill the GOP right now. If he's third party when it dies unfortunately it will be something else that takes him down according to the unskewed avian entrail divination experts
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nachos posted:Does a Trump meltdown count? It does. Trump melting down means Jeb is back in this as well.
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