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Not at all, the Dacians used similar weapons, called a falx and they're sick as hell. Also, glad everybody likes my Ultramarines! How about that there Gulliman, huh brothers?
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BirdieBedtime posted:Not at all, the Dacians used similar weapons, called a falx and they're sick as hell. Yeah man, the primarch of the first legion is pretty sweet.
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TKIY posted:I've just ordered some death shroud and grave wardens because I'm a sucker for terminators. Thank God for comrade Forgeworldski. Unless they're a counter charge unit, or Siege Tyrants, they probably need a ride. Luckily you have quite a few options.
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Nov 11, 2015 22:41
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BULBASAUR posted:...then you also need to figure out what to do with your two HQs and how they plan to get there. quote:+++ EC Take Two (2000pts) +++ Okay, how's this for a second take? I'm probably still weighing too heavily onto including both the Phoenix Terminators and the Palantine Blades, however with 2 tac squads and a tac vet squad with Praetor I was already at like 1100 points. Upside is that this can be done fairly easily out of the Calth box.
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Nov 12, 2015 00:42
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BULBASAUR posted:Unless they're a counter charge unit, or Siege Tyrants, they probably need a ride. Luckily you have quite a few options. Looks like the Deathshroud can only take a Phobos, but there is no model?
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Nov 12, 2015 01:31
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TKIY posted:Looks like the Deathshroud can only take a Phobos, but there is no model? Phobos is the fancy-schmancy way to refer to the standard Land Raider during the Heresy, since there's a gazillion variants running around in the standard lists.
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TKIY posted:Looks like the Deathshroud can only take a Phobos, but there is no model?  Edit: Beaten. If you have to shell out for a Heresy-lookin' one you could get the MkIIB upgrade kit. It's purely aesthetic and doesn't have any fancy rules though. Safety Factor fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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Ah sweet. Thanks for clarifying. I've got a lot to learn still.
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BirdieBedtime posted:Phobos is the fancy-schmancy way to refer to the standard Land Raider during the Heresy, since there's a gazillion variants running around in the standard lists. And Mechanicum gets a build-a-raider kit that lets the player make almost any raider version in 30k or 40k, or even unique examples that don't obey the standard versions.
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According to the Crusade Army List book, you can also run 40k vehicles in 30k and state that they are non-standard patterns of whatever. The idea being that the legions experiemented with new poo poo all the time... ...so hello Land Raider (Great) Crusaders I suppose!
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I'm pretty sure that's just for aircraft and LOWs, but yeah, the ammount of options is massive. I've had this army for years and I'm still finding combos.koreban posted:Okay, how's this for a second take? I'm probably still weighing too heavily onto including both the Phoenix Terminators and the Palantine Blades, however with 2 tac squads and a tac vet squad with Praetor I was already at like 1100 points. I'm not a fan, honestly. I think you're overspending on deathstars and not bringing enough other things to plug holes. Also as an EC player you should probably drop cataphractii armour from your Praetor since you want to sweep all day every day. Giving him a spear is also questionable as you'll be better off with the blade and +2 to your initiative. Here's an alternative list that leans heavily on the ECs glass hammer style of play using all the Calth models except the terminators: code:At 1860 you need to figure out what to do with your Praetor. I would suggest dropping a few seekers and mounting him up on a bike or giving him a jetpack. Then the bodyguard can be some outriders, platine blades, jetbikes, or a command squad. Or you could drop one of the Maru Skara units, make it a dreadclaw, and then put your praetor into it with 5 penix terminators. I hope this demonstrates playing up the strengths of your legion and the crazy poo poo you can do even with what seem to be minor differences between the legions. BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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Looking at running a small Night Lord Terror Assault force to start with. Haven't looked too much at points costs yet. Intention is Sevatar, a good sized unit of deep-striking Terminators, three Terror Squads with Volkite Chargers, big unit of Raptors, and probably a Dreadclaw or two. Usual criticism of this type of list is lack of anti-tank. What would be a good choice? Or is there something else I'm missing? Also, modelling wise, what's the best way to denote an Apothecary?
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Demons posted:Looking at running a small Night Lord Terror Assault force to start with. Haven't looked too much at points costs yet. Intention is Sevatar, a good sized unit of deep-striking Terminators, three Terror Squads with Volkite Chargers, big unit of Raptors, and probably a Dreadclaw or two. Usual criticism of this type of list is lack of anti-tank. What would be a good choice? Or is there something else I'm missing? Melta bombs, rapier laser destroyers, castellax.
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Fearless posted:According to the Crusade Army List book, you can also run 40k vehicles in 30k and state that they are non-standard patterns of whatever. The idea being that the legions experiemented with new poo poo all the time... What about... vehicle formations from 40k? 
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Okay final revision of my starter list. Put Typhon and his scythe homies in a LR. Have two footslogging apothecaried tacticals with a pair of dreads and a unit of grenade launching termies to babysit them. Rounded out with a heavy squad bringing some sweet chem-munitions to the party. +++ Death Guard - 2k (2000pts) +++ + HQ (705pts) + Calas Typhon (705pts) ····Deathshroud Terminator Squad [5x Deathshroud Terminators] ········Land Raider Phobos [Armoured Ceramite, Chem-munitions, Heavy Flamer, Hunter-killer Missile] ····Master of the Legion [The Reaping] + Troops (555pts) + Legion Heavy Support Squad (185pts) [Chem-munitions, Heavy Flamers, 4x Legion Space Marines] ····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier [Chem-munitions, Heavy Flamer] Legion Tactical Squad (185pts) [Chem-munitions, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Melta Bombs, Power Weapon, Rad Grenades] Legion Tactical Squad (185pts) [Chem-munitions, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Melta Bombs, Power Weapon, Rad Grenades] + Elites (320pts) + Apothecarion Detachment (140pts) ····Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Power Sword] ····Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Power Sword] Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (180pts) [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons] + Heavy Support (420pts) + Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (220pts) [Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Flamer] Grave Warden Terminator Squad (200pts) [4x Grave Warden Terminator] So better anti-tank with the Raider there, still have the Deredeo for some anti-air, etc... Now to pay for it 
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Figured this would be of interest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJ4QVvKaAM Playthrough of the game they included with all the new cool plastics
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Stanyer89 posted:What about... vehicle formations from 40k? No. Also kill yourself
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Ok, so! The transfers in the Calth box for Word Bearers are actually Serrated Suns right, hence the daemon skull in the flame rather than just a good ol' burning book?
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ijyt posted:Ok, so! The transfers in the Calth box for Word Bearers are actually Serrated Suns right, hence the daemon skull in the flame rather than just a good ol' burning book? Don't think the box comes with transfers, but if they did it'll be Twisting Rune chapter (All the dudes who hated the Ultras so much that they were gonna be a liability) so their badge and the demon face markings if there is transfers.
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Yes you get transfers included in the Betrayal Box. Here's a picture of them.  ijyt posted:Ok, so! The transfers in the Calth box for Word Bearers are actually Serrated Suns right, hence the daemon skull in the flame rather than just a good ol' burning book? The Serrated Suns logo was just a sun emblem. The demon skull flaming book emblem included in the transfer sheet was what most of the Bearers seemed to sport once they'd gone all in with Chaos. AndyElusive fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Nov 12, 2015 |
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I stand corrected. Though I was right that it's Twisting Rune rather that Serrated Suns, who I think were all Gal Vorbak by Calith?
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Ya, Serrated Suns were mostly all Gal Vorbak by Isstvan then the left overs got reformed into the Consecrated Iron Chapter.
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Thanks for clearing that up, and for the patience in answering my endless questions.
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My favourite thing in 40k is the Imperial Guard or whatever they're called now. Could anyone talk about the regular human faction? Are they pushovers? Does anyone play them? Will they be supported at all?
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Nuclear War posted:My favourite thing in 40k is the Imperial Guard or whatever they're called now. Could anyone talk about the regular human faction? Are they pushovers? Does anyone play them? Will they be supported at all? Additionally, there's a list of elite human soldiers, the Solar Auxilia. They're the dudes on Forge World's site rocking the flanged pressure suits. They're meant to be second to only the space marines and have an army list in book IV. Seeing as how their models are FW only, this is a really expensive option.
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I want to like you, Angel's Wrath rite of war, but you don't work for jetbikes. Is there a way to build it well, or some angle I'm missing? Hit and run doesn't seem like a massive game changer and jump pack infantry is expensive as hell. I like the theme because this is the first time in a while I've enjoyed me some Blood Angels.
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Yeah the militia list is a bit overwhelming at first but you quickly realise you can make any possible permutation of army. Tank heavy? Warp horde? Beast men? Elite dudes? Artillery? Heavy support squad with ap3 autocannon?
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BULBASAUR posted:No. Also kill yourself I think formations would make 30k more interesting because
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Lord Twisted posted:Yeah the militia list is a bit overwhelming at first but you quickly realise you can make any possible permutation of army. Tank heavy? Warp horde? Beast men? Elite dudes? Artillery? Heavy support squad with ap3 autocannon? Beastmen? Oh really...
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Man, this thread and the new box set have really tempted me to start an army. I always found heresy era to be the most compelling fluff-wise. Nevermind that literally everyone I know has quit playing/collecting GW games entirely. Anyone know how the Calth box set scenarios/rules hold up so far? Is there anything worthwhile in the box besides cheap(er) plastic dudes? Could I potentially use it as an intro to lure people into starting 30k armies with me?  As a hypothetical aside, I've been looking for tough/shooty traitor legions, anything I should look into besides Death Guard and Iron Warriors? Neither excite me much aesthetically, although I sorta like the fluff of death guard at least. edit: oh god what am I doing, I haven't played 40k since like, '98 
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Hauki posted:Man, this thread and the new box set have really tempted me to start an army. I always found heresy era to be the most compelling fluff-wise. Nevermind that literally everyone I know has quit playing/collecting GW games entirely. Anyone know how the Calth box set scenarios/rules hold up so far? Is there anything worthwhile in the box besides cheap(er) plastic dudes? Could I potentially use it as an intro to lure people into starting 30k armies with me? I watched the video GW put out, and it's like they're actually doing marketing. They show people (real live people) having fun playing a game. And you get a fairly clear understanding of the rules. And it looks like a fun board game. For shooty have you thought about Alpha Legion as an outsider choice?
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Hauki posted:As a hypothetical aside, I've been looking for tough/shooty traitor legions, anything I should look into besides Death Guard and Iron Warriors? Neither excite me much aesthetically, although I sorta like the fluff of death guard at least. Those two are the tough/shooty legions among the traitors, unfortunately. World Eaters, Night Lords, and Emperor's Children are all very melee-oriented. Sons of Horus and Alpha Legion can go either way.
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Recoome posted:What's wrong with the Iron Warriors Some people just don't like having cool armies.
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Hauki posted:As a hypothetical aside, I've been looking for tough/shooty traitor legions, anything I should look into besides Death Guard and Iron Warriors? Neither excite me much aesthetically, although I sorta like the fluff of death guard at least. Word Bearers are tough, for a certain value of "tough." They roll 3d6 for Leadership checks instead of 2d6, so good luck getting them to break and run. Gal Vorbak are also T5 W2 with a 3+/5++ save, while the Bladeslaves are T5 and W3 with It Will Not Die. Of course, those last two are choppy rather than shooty, so they may not be quite what you're looking for.
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Recoome posted:What's wrong with the Iron Warriors Pros: half decent special rules (no Morale from shooting and re-roll failed Pinning tests), good special units, real good characters, 2nd or 3rd best Primarch in the game. Cons: half poo poo special rules (grenades and melta bombs get Wrecker, The Bitter End), Warsmiths are lame and locked into a spectacularly lovely warlord trait, uninspired rite of war, almost no model support from Forgeworld. And the upgrade packs they do get don't really show off what people think of with Iron Warriors.
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panascope posted:And the upgrade packs they do get don't really show off what people think of with Iron Warriors. What, this doesn't scream "Iron Warriors" to you? 
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panascope posted:Pros: half decent special rules (no Morale from shooting and re-roll failed Pinning tests), good special units, real good characters, 2nd or 3rd best Primarch in the game.
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