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Cultural Imperial posted:British war heroes: destroying the Spanish Armada and French navy all at once with just one hand Generally curious, in your world where we get rid of the CAF, who ensures our sovereignty? Do we cede to the US? Somebody fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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Liberals no longer promising to reopen Veterans Affairs office in Sydney. Liberals waffling on the overseas mission. Liberals say the cupboard is bare, we can't afford all the infrastructure spending they promised. Who is surprised?
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THC posted:Liberals no longer promising to reopen Veterans Affairs office in Sydney. These Liberals, surely they could not be libbing already
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It just shows how thoughtful and reasonable they are, willing to adapt to changing circumstances. The Natural Governing Party is back.
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Herh said they would be reopening those offices but maybe putting them in different locations. Links to your other two claims please.
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Here is some justice served under the strong arm of the Canadian Justice System http://www.canlii.org/en/on/onca/doc/2013/2013onca541/2013onca541.html quote:[25] A joint submission was accepted by the sentencing judge. Swartz was sentenced to pay a fine of $22,500 per count for a total of $90,000. The maximum penalty for individuals, including a director, under OHSA is $25,000: see OHSA, s. 66(1). Swartz was also required to pay a statutorily required 25% Victim Fine Surcharge: O. Reg. 161/00, s. 1. All criminal charges against Swartz were withdrawn by the Crown. http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2010/08/14/charges_laid_in_scaffolding_accident_that_killed_4_workers.html quote:Charges carrying fines of up to $17,000,000 have been laid against two companies that ran and supplied a platform that collapsed in Etobicoke on Christmas Eve, plunging four migrant workers to their deaths. Somebody fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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]. He was satisfied that a fine of $200,000 plus a Victim Fine Surcharge of 15% or $30,000 was appropriate. He observed that this was three times the net earnings of the business in its last profitable year and should send a “clear message” of the importance of worker safety to all businesses.
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Nov 13, 2015 02:42
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Jordan7hm posted:What exactly are you complaining about? jm20 is asking for people to preface their posts with "I am not a lawyer" just like how he posts (read: never) that he's "not a psychologist" while he is going on about sentencing for the mentally ill.
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Jordan7hm posted:What exactly are you complaining about? quote:They come after an exhaustive, seven-month investigation into the Dec. 24th incident, which saw five eastern European workers fall 13 storeys from the side of a Kipling Ave. apartment building. quote:All criminal charges against Swartz were withdrawn by the Crown. You life doesn't matter, our justice system is a joke.
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jm20 posted:Feel free to reference some case law from canlii as I asked, eager to see these long sentences for vehicular manslaughter. I've been reading your posts for the past few pages and I have to admit, I'm really having a hard time understanding what you're arguing for or against, aside from the "do the crime, serve the time" quote from above. Again, I don't really get what the issue is here. We seem to even have a lawyer in the thread that you're somehow not engaging with either. What's the issue you're trying to discuss?
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http://www.hilltimes.com/news/2015/11/11/canada-headed-toward-orderly-and-responsible-withdrawal-of-airstrikes-in-iraq-syria/44181 As far as I can tell a few bombings went on in the first few days in Novembers. Of course, it's not as if the instant Trudeau took power every overseas military personal drops their weapons and begins trudging home.
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Christ, could you people at least wait until parliament sits before you freak the gently caress out about how the Liberals are going to gently caress us all?
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jm20 posted:You life doesn't matter, our justice system is a joke. I can imagine it would be hard to get a conviction when some of the employees were high.
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Vasler posted:I've been reading your posts for the past few pages and I have to admit, I'm really having a hard time understanding what you're arguing for or against, aside from the "do the crime, serve the time" quote from above. Again, I don't really get what the issue is here. We seem to even have a lawyer in the thread that you're somehow not engaging with either. What's the issue you're trying to discuss? I am saying is that, contrary to the posters who think the justice system is working as intended, we seriously, IMO, under sentence crimes resultant in the deaths of people. From impaired driving, to driving while old, to safety mishaps, etc.
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Jordan7hm posted:I can imagine it would be hard to get a conviction when some of the employees were high. Go visit a construction site, and report back to this thread.
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Did you always have this giant stick up your rear end, or is it a recent acquisition?
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jm20 posted:I am saying is that, contrary to the posters who think the justice system is working as intended, we seriously, IMO, under sentence crimes resultant in the deaths of people. From impaired driving, to driving while old, to safety mishaps, etc. Kindly tell us what an "adequate sentence" might be for these sort of crimes. 
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jm20 posted:I am saying is that, contrary to the posters who think the justice system is working as intended, we seriously, IMO, under sentence crimes resultant in the deaths of people. From impaired driving, to driving while old, to safety mishaps, etc. I guess the question I have then is, how do you come to the conclusion that a sentence is too long or too short? What is your basis for making that claim? Perhaps you're a lawyer or have some experience in law? I don't mean this sarcastically but I am curious how you actually sit down and decide that a judge has sentenced someone incorrectly and how you reach that conclusion.
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jm20 posted:Go visit a construction site, and report back to this thread. You don't think the workers being high might affect their employer's culpability to some degree?
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Vasler posted:I guess the question I have then is, how do you come to the conclusion that a sentence is too long or too short? What is your basis for making that claim? Perhaps you're a lawyer or have some experience in law? I don't mean this sarcastically but I am curious how you actually sit down and decide that a judge has sentenced someone incorrectly and how you reach that conclusion. It's no different than any other tough-on-crime pinhead's logic: a Bad Thing happened, someone must be harshly punished! jm20, do you think if a drug dealer sells heroin to an addict and the addict suffers a fatal overdose, they should be charged with murder? That's the newest tough-on-crime nonsense, for when brutally punishing other forms of negligence stops making you hard.
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jm20 posted:I am saying is that, contrary to the posters who think the justice system is working as intended, we seriously, IMO, under sentence crimes resultant in the deaths of people. From impaired driving, to driving while old, to safety mishaps, etc. By what metric are these crimes 'under sentenced'? What do you hope to accomplish with longer sentencing? All I can gather from your posting is that you're attempting to quench some thirst for retribution or something.
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OSI bean dip posted:Kindly tell us what an "adequate sentence" might be for these sort of crimes. 50 years, iso-cube.
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Baronjutter posted:50 years, iso-cube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6C1gSbS2os
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PT6A posted:Christ, could you people at least wait until parliament sits before you freak the gently caress out about how the Liberals are going to gently caress us all? In which the Conservatives' fudging of the budget numbers would not have affected a hypothetical NDP government because of ~magic~
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This was just a cunning ploy to get himself a different avatar than OSI bean dip.
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Jordan7hm posted:Drunk driving isn't the same as a murder you plan out and wilfully commit. It's a lot closer to manslaughter. By this logic I should be able to walk into a crowded place, put on a blindfold, and start spinning around with a chainsaw in my hands. OOPS IT WAS AN ACCIDENT I DIDN'T MEAN IT! Just loving execute anyone who drives drunk. gently caress the suspended sentences, gently caress the license suspensions. Just loving kill them.
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crowoutofcontext posted:I think one of the many reasons for this is because the criminal justice system isn't only about punishing/reforming the perpetrator but restoring damage to the victims. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH BAAAHAHAHAHAHA
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Gus Hobbleton posted:By this logic I should be able to walk into a crowded place, put on a blindfold, and start spinning around with a chainsaw in my hands. OOPS IT WAS AN ACCIDENT I DIDN'T MEAN IT! To digress briefly from your inane analogy: if you were a lumberjack, and you showed up to work drunk and accidentally killed someone with your chainsaw as a result, do you really think it ought to be treated the same as purposefully killing someone? It's a grave crime, but it's not nearly the same thing. Honestly, looking at some of these opinions, I think the opposition to tough-on-crime is, mostly, anti-drug-war. The war on drugs is bad, certainly, but tough-on-crime rhetoric is awful regardless. We need to look at cost-effective measures which reduce all manners of crime, and imprisoning people out of vengeance is neither cost-effective nor does it reduce crime. You cannot be a fiscal conservative while supporting unnecessary, costly incarceration, and you cannot be a progressive while supporting arbitrary punishment without benefit. Supporting useless punitive measures is the last refuge of a primitive mind.
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The funny thing is "Theft under $5000" effectively does lump all thefts together that fit the definition. Like, as long as you're not claiming to have a weapon, in which case it becomes "armed robbery." And of course, the court proceedings/sentencing skews towards "treat every theft under $5000 as a stolen candy bar." Somebody fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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Gus Hobbleton posted:Just loving execute anyone who drives drunk. gently caress the suspended sentences, gently caress the license suspensions. Just loving kill them. I'd watch that. 
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I think the central disagreement between the 2 sides of this discussion is that one side says "YEAH well not according to the LAW  " while the other side is "hey, gently caress the rules, because they don't produce the results that I think they should."Like, that's where I'm at: I fundamentally do not care what the criminal code says; if I think it produces bullshit results then I want things to change. No, I don't purport to have all the answers as to how, or to have thought through every possible corner case, but I don't think that makes saying "the status quo is poo poo" somehow an invalid opinion. Yeesh. Somebody fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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P.d0t posted:I think the central disagreement between the 2 sides of this discussion is that one side says "YEAH well not according to the LAW Write to your MP then; they're the ones who write the law.
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Well, the real question is: do you want the sentences to be modified because it "feels right" or because you imagine it will produce some sort of benefit beyond making you, and presumably some other people, feel good? Do we really want a criminal justice system that gives significant consideration to our gut feelings? I, for one, do not, and I'm happy to say I've evolved quite a bit on this issue over the past few years.
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El Scotch posted:Write to your MP then; they're the ones who write the law. See, and that's a lot better response. I appreciate that. 
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P.d0t posted:Like, that's where I'm at: I fundamentally do not care what the criminal code says; if I think it produces bullshit results then I want things to change. No, I don't purport to have all the answers as to how, or to have thought through every possible corner case, but I don't think that makes saying "the status quo is poo poo" somehow an invalid opinion. "The status quo is poo poo" is a pretty unless opinion though, unless you have some sort of credible alternative, or even a well reasoned method of improvement you'd like to see pursued.
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PittTheElder posted:"The status quo is poo poo" is a pretty unless opinion though, unless you have some sort of credible alternative, or even a well reasoned method of improvement you'd like to see pursued. A job for better men than I, then?
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