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QuoProQuid posted:
Shouldn't Western Sahara be grey on that map then?
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Torrannor posted:Shouldn't Western Sahara be grey on that map then? No, because Morocco is an internationally recognized government.
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Nov 12, 2015 12:38
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Southern Africa a bastion of stability? The 80s really were a long time ago.
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Nov 12, 2015 12:51
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I'm surprised by Nigeria, I thought only the northernmost bits that Boko Haram is in are outside of the government's effective control.
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Nov 12, 2015 13:02
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I thought the UN-backed Somali government had actually been recently making gains and consolidating a bit?
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Nov 12, 2015 13:28
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There's definitely a few things to nitpick on that map, and Somalia and the extent of Nigerian control are two pretty big ones. Also, do we not recognize one of the governments in Libya, which should then be in control of that bit?
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Nov 12, 2015 13:29
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YF-23 posted:I'm surprised by Nigeria, I thought only the northernmost bits that Boko Haram is in are outside of the government's effective control. Who controls the oil rich areas anyway? And yes, I know it's Shell.
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Nov 12, 2015 13:37
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Still slimmer than Murica.
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Nov 12, 2015 13:47
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Disco Infiva posted:No, because Morocco is an internationally recognized government. And it unambiguously exercises full sovereignty in that part of Western Sahara: Morocco built a border wall, complete with minefield along its entire length, and a bunch of garrisons in the rear. quote:Physically, the berm is a two meter high wall (with a backing trench), which rides along a topographical high point/ridge/hill throughout the territory. Spaced out over every five kilometers are a big, small and medium base, with approximately 35–40 troops at each observation post and groups of 10 soldiers spaced out over the distance as well. About four km behind each major post there is a rapid reaction post, which includes backing mobile forces (tanks, etc). A series of overlapping fixed and mobile radars are also positioned throughout the berm. The radars are estimated to have a range of between 60 and 80 km into the Polisario controlled territory, and are generally utilized to locate artillery fire onto detected Polisario forces. Information from the radar is processed by a forward-based commander, who contacts a rear-based artillery unit. Edit: Except for the modern weaponry, this is basically how Hadrian's Wall was organized.
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Nov 12, 2015 13:48
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JosefStalinator posted:There's definitely a few things to nitpick on that map, and Somalia and the extent of Nigerian control are two pretty big ones. The Libyan Council of Deputies's mandate expired in late October. While I don't think anyone has broken off relations with the faction, their recognition depended on Libya signing onto a UN-sponsored peace agreement. The recent strings of assassinations and bombings probably doesn't help the Deputies' claims that they have complete control. The mapmaker, who works for Foreign Affairs, explains that he used travel advisories as his main source. For Nigeria, I suspect that large swathes are excluded because of high terrorism threats and frequent kidnappings.
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Nov 12, 2015 15:11
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QuoProQuid posted:
I like this map, and would like to see one for the Middle East. Source? YF-23 posted:I'm surprised by Nigeria, I thought only the northernmost bits that Boko Haram is in are outside of the government's effective control. The southern areas I think are mostly criminal- they have problems with piracy that used to be seen around Somalia, and oil pipelines are regularly smashed and stolen from. I think a past civil war focused on this area too. I'm also surprised that the state doesn't control it though, I wonder if that is correct. Ofaloaf posted:I thought the UN-backed Somali government had actually been recently making gains and consolidating a bit? Yeah there should be a bit of white for Mogadishu, and a bit of the countryside. I know Puntland and Somaliland aren't internationally recognized, but they provide more effective governance than some of the proper nations on the map. Whats going on in Eritrea and NE Ethiopia?
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Nov 12, 2015 16:46
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Count Roland posted:I like this map, and would like to see one for the Middle East. Source? Here is a complex series of maps about the "ungoverened world," knock yourself out!
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Nov 12, 2015 16:55
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twoday posted:Here is a complex series of maps about the "ungoverened world," knock yourself out! Awesome&nice find! TY!
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Nov 12, 2015 16:59
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twoday posted:Here is a complex series of maps about the "ungoverened world," knock yourself out! I'm not sure if I'd count Medellin as ungoverned anymore. At least not in the same way as some of the other places.
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Nov 12, 2015 18:17
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twoday posted:Here is a complex series of maps about the "ungoverened world," knock yourself out! Hey that's pretty neat. Interesting that they designate part of the South China Sea as ungoverned, but no parts of Western Africa where piracy is also a problem.
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Nov 12, 2015 18:23
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Count Roland posted:Hey that's pretty neat.
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Nov 12, 2015 19:21
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You wouldn't download a oil tanker.
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Nov 12, 2015 22:56
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Are all those areas grey because of terrorist groups/anarchy, or just because it's the Sahara and there's nobody there to govern?
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Nov 13, 2015 03:47
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Byzantine posted:Are all those areas grey because of terrorist groups/anarchy, or just because it's the Sahara and there's nobody there to govern? Well, a lot of those groups do like to hide out in the Sahara and other such marginal areas.
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Nov 13, 2015 04:00
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YF-23 posted:I'm surprised by Nigeria, I thought only the northernmost bits that Boko Haram is in are outside of the government's effective control. They do only control a tiny bit in the Northeast. A big chunk of the rest is probably fallout from the Nigerian Civil War, since all of Biafra is in there as ungoverned. But I don't know what's going on in the middle parts.
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Nov 13, 2015 07:01
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Byzantine posted:Are all those areas grey because of terrorist groups/anarchy, or just because it's the Sahara and there's nobody there to govern?  I did a quick and dirty overlay of the two maps: 
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Nov 13, 2015 09:40
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Riso posted:Still slimmer than Murica. Mexico actually has an even worse average obesity problem than the US, but it must be very class-skewed, judging from the map. Also, people, in the US and elsewhere can't seem to figure out that the main reason that they're fat is because they eat too loving much.
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Nov 13, 2015 11:13
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PittTheElder posted:They do only control a tiny bit in the Northeast. A big chunk of the rest is probably fallout from the Nigerian Civil War, since all of Biafra is in there as ungoverned. But I don't know what's going on in the middle parts. Yes, but the Biafra war was long ago. It's not like there is still a civil war being fought in that area, or a de facto independent republic of Biafra governing it. Maybe there's some political instability but that's a long way from the area literally not being governed by the internationally recognised government.
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Nov 13, 2015 13:13
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Sucrose posted:Mexico actually has an even worse average obesity problem than the US, but it must be very class-skewed, judging from the map. Um the map clearly shows Austria eats way too much but still is much slimmer. That's because Austrians still use their legs to get around.
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Nov 13, 2015 13:24
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Riso posted:Um the map clearly shows Austria eats way too much but still is much slimmer. That's because Austrians still use their legs to get around. I imagine the goose-step is good exercise.
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Nov 13, 2015 13:29
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Freudian posted:I imagine the goose-step is good exercise. That's Prussia, lad.
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Nov 13, 2015 13:31
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Riso posted:That's Prussia, lad.
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Nov 13, 2015 13:42
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Ofaloaf posted:Next you'll be telling us that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian.
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Nov 13, 2015 13:50
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Ofaloaf posted:Next you'll be telling us that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian. Considering that Mozart was born in Salzburg, then the capital of the Archbishopric of the same name and not annexed by the Habsburgs until 1805, he was neither in the political sense.  A Buttery Pastry posted:He's right in this case. Austrians aren't coordinated enough to do goosestepping. Then again, the same is probably true of Bavarians, Rhinelanders and other non-Prussian regionals.
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Nov 13, 2015 14:23
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"A Prussian will march until he dies, a Saxon will march until he drops, a Wurtemburger will march until he tires, a Bavarian will march when he feels like it."
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Nov 13, 2015 18:11
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A Buttery Pastry posted:He's right in this case. Austrians aren't coordinated enough to do goosestepping. You try coordinating a dozen different nationalities!
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Nov 13, 2015 21:08
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Riso posted:You try coordinating a dozen different nationalities!
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Nov 14, 2015 01:12
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Count Roland posted:Hey that's pretty neat. I'm surprised so many attacks happen in the Singapore Strait. Shouldn't Singapore and Malaysia be on top of that?
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Nov 14, 2015 08:23
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How can a whole country's dominant political force be a regional group?
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Nov 14, 2015 10:45
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Sucrose posted:How can a whole country's dominant political force be a regional group? Regional groups.
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Nov 14, 2015 10:54
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Yeah, the yellow of Bosnia isn't all one group. What happened to the left wing in Poland? Lycus fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Nov 14, 2015 |
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Nov 14, 2015 10:57
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Sucrose posted:How can a whole country's dominant political force be a regional group? 
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Nov 14, 2015 11:31
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Lycus posted:Yeah, the yellow of Bosnia isn't all one group. That's what you get when you invest in Eastern Poland.
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Lycus posted:What happened to the left wing in Poland? The left wing is the same as the right wing.
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