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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Yet another college protest, this time at Amherst College: zoux posted:The mysterious Latin X... I am sure this will all end well.
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zoux posted:The mysterious Latin X... Regarding this, why isn't the term "Latin" used outside of the term "Latin America"? Lots of people, especially in academia, seem to understand the inherent sexism and linguistic issues using "Latino" in English to refer to both men and women, but they seem to bend over backwards to use Latin@ or Latinx while the perfectly fine term Latin seems to be ignored. Is there some reason for that?
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Yet another college protest, this time at Amherst College: didn't ts12 go to Amherst
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Nov 13, 2015 21:49
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Since about 90% of their demands seem to be "say things we agree with" I don't think the demands are particularly onerous. They aren't calling for a bunch of people to be fired or anything. The administration will still gently caress up their response, I'm sure.
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Nov 13, 2015 21:51
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Litany Unheard posted:Since about 90% of their demands seem to be "say things we agree with" I don't think the demands are particularly onerous. They aren't calling for a bunch of people to be fired or anything. more or less, but things such as quote:President Martin must issue a statement to the Amherst College community at large that states we do not tolerate the actions of student(s) who posted the “All Lives Matter” posters, and the “Free Speech” posters that stated that “in memoriam of the true victim of the Missouri Protests: Free Speech.” Also let the student body know that it was racially insensitive to the students of color on our college campus and beyond who are victim to racial harassment and death threats; alert them that Student Affairs may require them to go through the Disciplinary Process if a formal complaint is filed, and that they will be required to attend extensive training for racial and cultural competency. basically amount to "send the entire College Republican student body through the disciplinary system" 
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Nov 13, 2015 21:53
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Wait we can't say latino anymore?
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Nov 13, 2015 21:53
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How are u posted:Wait we can't say latino anymore? the romance languages are cishet scum
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Nov 13, 2015 21:54
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How are u posted:Wait we can't say latino anymore? The idea is "latino" refers to men of Latin American ancestry and "latina" refers to women, so people are attempting to develop a gender-neutral term for people of that descent, to varying degrees of awkwardness.
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Nov 13, 2015 21:56
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Litany Unheard posted:Since about 90% of their demands seem to be "say things we agree with" I don't think the demands are particularly onerous. They aren't calling for a bunch of people to be fired or anything. what do you assume escalation of our protest will mean? The administration will say some general blanket statement about how all students are encouraged to voice their opinions and safety of our students is the number one priority blah blah blah changing no actual real policy.
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How are u posted:Wait we can't say latino anymore? Go ahead. Normal people won't freak out at you or anything. How am I supposed to pronounce Latinx anyways? Kanish posted:what do you assume escalation of our protest will mean? I dunno? Probably marches or some walk-outs/sit-ins. The protesters don't have a whole lot of actual power and I don't expect them to start bombing admin buildings. Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Nov 13, 2015 |
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Nov 13, 2015 21:56
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Litany Unheard posted:Go ahead. Normal people won't freak out at you or anything. Yeah, I get the desire to be more gender inclusive and that's good, but the sheer unprobouncability of pretty much anything that's ever been suggested is a clear byproduct of the fact that this topic has been generated pretty exclusively online and in academic papers.
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Nov 13, 2015 21:59
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this_is_hard posted:more or less, but things such as I mean....
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Nov 13, 2015 21:59
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Bluedeanie posted:Yeah, I get the desire to be more gender inclusive and that's good, but the sheer unprobouncability of pretty much anything that's ever been suggested is a clear byproduct of the fact that this topic has been generated pretty exclusively online and in academic papers. except, as I mentioned, Latin. Which is already in use.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:01
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Bluedeanie posted:Yeah, I get the desire to be more gender inclusive and that's good, but the sheer unprobouncability of pretty much anything that's ever been suggested is a clear byproduct of the fact that this topic has been generated pretty exclusively online and in academic papers. Yeah the whole xi or xer or whatever the gently caress tumbler is doing these days really puts me in the old man camp. I'm 100% cool with you choosing your gendered pronouns and will gladly refer to you as he or her or him or she but gently caress the rest of it. Two is good enough.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:02
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How are u posted:Yeah the whole xi or xer or whatever the gently caress tumbler is doing these days really puts me in the old man camp. I'm 100% cool with you choosing your gendered pronouns and will gladly refer to you as he or her or him or she but gently caress the rest of it. I've never seen xi/xer used outside of Tumblr. Everyone in real life seems to be cool with "they" as a gender neutral pronoun.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:04
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How are u posted:Yeah the whole xi or xer or whatever the gently caress tumbler is doing these days really puts me in the old man camp. I'm 100% cool with you choosing your gendered pronouns and will gladly refer to you as he or her or him or she but gently caress the rest of it. I just use singular they. It's easiest and only pisses of people who think it's incorrect usage and are weird enough to bring it up.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:05
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this_is_hard posted:more or less, but things such as ... yeah so I totally don't think their actions are dumb now.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:06
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Supreme Court is going to hear one of the Texas abortion cases.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:08
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This is from a few pages back, but I'll vote for Ted Cruz if he filibusters with a full reenactment of the Princess Bride on the Senate floor.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:08
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Latin@ looks cool as hell in my opinion, and should continue being used.PUGGERNAUT posted:I've never seen xi/xer used outside of Tumblr. Everyone in real life seems to be cool with "they" as a gender neutral pronoun. It's also barely used on tumblr. It and most of the various alternatives died out long ago to they, because they all had serious issues in being useful in speech and writing. There's still a smattering of people using each one, but it's on the order of the amount of people who insist on using really old versions of WordPerfect or whatever.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:09
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Litany Unheard posted:Go ahead. Normal people won't freak out at you or anything. I was more implying they will begin to demand resignations if their demands are not met (they wont)
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Nov 13, 2015 22:10
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Nov 13, 2015 22:11
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FlamingLiberal posted:SCOTUS just took up the Texas abortion case. This is one where if they (presumably) side with the state, it's going to let states make access to abortion basically impossible. And if they side with the challengers, they can write in such a way as to essentially gut local regulation. It is win-win!* *if you are a conservative plutocrat. For the rest of us we are completely hosed
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Nov 13, 2015 22:11
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PUGGERNAUT posted:I've never seen xi/xer used outside of Tumblr. Everyone in real life seems to be cool with "they" as a gender neutral pronoun. A few years back an entire group of interns at my work 'disrupted' our union organizer training camp with demands that we incorporate correct pronoun usage. They literally were suggesting that we open every single interaction with people we were trying to unionize with 'what gender do you identify as? is it okay if we refer to you as he/her/they/etc/etc?' and were completely dumbfounded when the 20-40 year old (mainly Latino) car wash workers in SE DC we were trying to organize were rather puzzled
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Nov 13, 2015 22:11
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Bluedeanie posted:Yeah, I get the desire to be more gender inclusive and that's good, but the sheer unprobouncability of pretty much anything that's ever been suggested is a clear byproduct of the fact that this topic has been generated pretty exclusively online and in academic papers. Xe Xer Xem Xyr will be the hill I shout at kids from my front porch on. drat kids and their genderless pronouns. 
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Party Plane Jones posted:Supreme Court is going to hear one of the Texas abortion cases. Kennedy please let your shred of sanity override your hatred of abortion...
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Nov 13, 2015 22:12
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Oh come on Romney, you don't want a second rear end whopping?
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Nov 13, 2015 22:12
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FlamingLiberal posted:SCOTUS just took up the Texas abortion case. This is one where if they (presumably) side with the state, it's going to let states make access to abortion basically impossible. Christ we're hosed
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Nov 13, 2015 22:13
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How are u posted:Yeah the whole xi or xer or whatever the gently caress tumbler is doing these days really puts me in the old man camp. I'm 100% cool with you choosing your gendered pronouns and will gladly refer to you as he or her or him or she but gently caress the rest of it. One of the worst things you can do for your blood pressure is to assume that things you see online have any relation to how things are in the real world
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Nov 13, 2015 22:13
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Oh come on Romney, you don't want a second rear end whopping? I can't believe the thing behind "Break Glass In Case of Trump" is Mitt Romney.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:14
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Yet another college protest, this time at Amherst College: By sitting down and negotiating to a more reasonable compromise. How are you sitting in the USPOL thread and not seeing the value in making absurdly ideological demands because it shifts the Overton window in your direction even when you lose?
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Nov 13, 2015 22:14
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Talmonis posted:Xe Xer Xem Xyr will be the hill I shout at kids from my front porch on. drat kids and their genderless pronouns. Again: those sorts of pronouns have been a failed proposition since the mid 2000s when "just use they" won out. There's like 500 variations, practically noone remembers which set works with which, so most involved people just said "gently caress it, shakespeare used singular they, so anyone who says it ain't valid can gently caress off". So there's pretty much no chance of it being an Old Man Yells At Cloud issue,
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Nov 13, 2015 22:16
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zoux posted:I can't believe the thing behind "Break Glass In Case of Trump" is Mitt Romney. Every other such cabinet has held only disappointment and failure. Mitt would be no different and the GOP has to know it. The combed-over chicken they created has come home to roost. And get turned into mcnuggets by Hillary in the general.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:18
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The weird venn diagram overlap between people who are extremely conservative about grammar but extremely liberal on sexuality and gender.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:18
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Fried Chicken posted:By sitting down and negotiating to a more reasonable compromise. How are you sitting in the USPOL thread and not seeing the value in making absurdly ideological demands because it shifts the Overton window in your direction even when you lose? I get what you're saying, but it's really hard to even approach a compromise when the person you're going to compromise starts off asking for a apology for everything ever that has happened. More college hijinks: quote:The University of Minnesota Student Assembly voted down a measure providing for an annual remembrance of the September 11th attacks over worries that it could stoke intolerance towards Muslims. Come on, man.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:22
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 And El Paso is a border city so expect to see a lot of border crossing for abortions.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:23
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With all the things going on at campuses right now i wonder if the scandal at he school I go to Depaul University will gain steam again it had some minor controversy because the dean was implicated in a torture report.quote:According to the 543-page report, released in July after a six month investigation led by former Chicago Inspector General David Hoffman, Koocher and other high ranking APA officials collaborated with the Department of Defense (DoD) to create an APA task force that would essentially rubber stamp existing government policies on the ethical boundaries of interrogation. http://depauliaonline.com/news/2015/08/21/depaul-dean-gerald-koocher-apa-torture/
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Nov 13, 2015 22:23
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Add VCU to the list of college with black student demonstration going on. Black students take over VCU's president's office to demand changes quote:A group of black Virginia Commonwealth University student activists marched into the school president’s office Thursday morning to demand the university increase the number of black professors and offer more cultural training on campus.
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Nov 13, 2015 22:28
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to be fair I believe Amherst is named after the guy who gave the native americans plague blankets, pioneering biological warfare against civilians that guy was kind of an rear end in a top hat but i don't see what apologizing for him does now
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poo poo is going down in Paris.
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