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InitialDave posted:If he takes the immediate consequences of doing without getting HR involved, yes. This isn't hosed up at all. No siree.
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KillHour posted:This isn't hosed up at all. No siree.
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Sometimes you think the world has progressed beyond accepting rich fucks punching a dude out because they didn't make life 100% ideal for them. Then you get threads like these and realize, naw, we're still loving barbarians.
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meatpimp posted:I did. And you would justify punching an employee for this?
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Sarrisan posted:Sometimes you think the world has progressed beyond accepting rich fucks punching a dude out because they didn't make life 100% ideal for them. Using rich as a disparaging term is the same sort of prejudicial characterization as racial slurs. Not that I'm pro-rich, but you can't jump one person's poo poo for slurs and the bring in a new slur in your support. CommieGIR posted:And you would justify punching an employee for this? Film crew work is not office work. It is more dynamic, often charged, and outside of cubicle workplace norms. Should Clarkson have punched him? No. Should it have bee n such a big deal? No, it was an old man punching someone in an argument. Oh dear. meatpimp fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Nov 14, 2015 |
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It's not "old man punching someone" it's "someone's boss punching their employee." Do you really think the employee can fight back, when doing so would cost him his livelihood? Clarkson can afford to get fired and bum off for a few years, most people cannot. If you seriously cannot see the difference here then idk what to say. Also poor rich people getting slurred, I'm sure that is exactly the same as racism against the Irish. I mean, just think of all the atrocities that rich people have suffered over the generations due to being born rich. It's a good thing they have stand-up folks like you sticking up for them. (I actually like Clarkson for the most part, but there is no defending him on this. The best he can do is accept his mistake and handle it with grace. And money.)
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Sarrisan posted:Also poor rich people getting slurred, I'm sure that is exactly the same as racism against the Irish. I mean, just think of all the atrocities that rich people have suffered over the generations due to being born rich. It's a good thing they have stand-up folks like you sticking up for them. You can't pick and choose which groups to stand up for and which to disparage. If you have to add an adjective in front of a noun defining a person, and you use it in a negative way, then it is the same. There is no sliding-scale of acceptability. If you think there is, then you need to examine your own bias.
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Rich people don't have generations of harm inflicted upon them solely because of their status as rich people, the bad feelings about which all come bubbling back up when they hear the word. hth
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Enourmo posted:Rich people don't have generations of harm inflicted upon them solely because of their status as rich people, the bad feelings about which all come bubbling back up when they hear the word. Any individual only carries a couple decades of memories in one's brain, you do not carry generations of persecution on your shoulders. If you do, you should either seek medical help, or stop thinking of yourself as a victim and do something with your life. Either way, if you think it's okay to disparage a group because you don't like them and don't think they've suffered "enough," then you really need to consider your bias.
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InitialDave posted:*shrug* I'm a lot bigger than my boss. I'll take my chances. So let's say the producer hit was a 90lb woman, as long as the boss goes says sorry to HR everything is fine.
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ColHannibal posted:So let's say the producer hit was a 90lb woman, as long as the boss goes says sorry to HR everything is fine. Jesus Christ, why stop there, what if the producer hit was an 8 pound savant baby? Clarkson hit someone. He shouldn't have. It's not the end of the world for anyone, especially the person hit. Now the person hit is suing for a six-digit, plus, payout because Clarkson disparaged his lineage during the punch event. At some point, it becomes farcical and is blown FAR out of proportion. A punch is not a life-damaging event to endure. The pussy got hit, ran to the hospital and is now going to cash out. Clarkson cashed out with the Amazon deal. Everyone won.
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meatpimp posted:Jesus Christ, why stop there, what if the producer hit was an 8 pound savant baby? If everyone won, why are you bitching about it?
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Andrast posted:If everyone won, why are you bitching about it? I'm sorry, how have I been bitching about it? I've been bitching at people's ridiculous characterizations of the events, but my view of the subject at hand has not wavered. If anything, I'd be bitching about a pussy getting a six-figure payout for a bloody lip delivered by an old man.
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ColHannibal posted:So let's say the producer hit was a 90lb woman, as long as the boss goes says sorry to HR everything is fine. My "HR" comment was in regard to me not getting in trouble.
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meatpimp posted:I'm sorry, how have I been bitching about it? I've been bitching at people's ridiculous characterizations of the events, but my view of the subject at hand has not wavered. If anything, I'd be bitching about a pussy getting a six-figure payout for a bloody lip delivered by an old man. You're right, Clarkson should have been brought up on an assault charge.
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But here is the thing, he got fired for doing it. What cause does the producer have when he was subsequently punished for his actions? I don't know what the BBC did afterwards, but I would assume that the BBC offered to pay for medical costs, so continuing to go after them almost a year after the fact is just petty.
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Pay for medical costs? It's the UK, they have single payer healthcare.
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Cojawfee posted:Pay for medical costs? It's the UK, they have single payer healthcare. There's also a separate system of private doctors which most people with money probably utilize. The NHS is often seen as healthcare for poors.
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:There's also a separate system of private doctors which most people with money probably utilize. No, it really isn't.
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Cojawfee posted:Pay for medical costs? It's the UK, they have single payer healthcare. All I'm saying is he is suing someone who already had the repercussions put on him. I guess suing Clarkson makes sense, but the BBC doesn't. The BBC didn't protect Clarkson when this happened. It just screams that he is having trouble getting a job and trying to monetize whatever he can. It wouldn't make sense to sue him 10 months after the fact. But I'm sure there are other factors at play here.
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Reading between the lines he is a freelancer (like most tv workers in Brtiain) and dispite his grand title was just a dogs body. So now he is a dogs body but no one wants him on their projects because he wasn't able to do what his job (what if a shoot had over run instead of the talent having a few pints making them late?) His case is dodgy but if he isn't working and his solicitor is on no win no fee then he won't have any more to loose.
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Someone on reddit said that since he doesn't technically work for Clarkson and the BBC didn't assault him, he has to sue them both for being responsible. But that's reddit.
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meatpimp posted:I did. Because you said something blatantly stupid and I didn't believe that was your actual opinion.
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I was excited thinking something top gear related was happening. Nope, just a bunch of shitposts.
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Alighieri posted:I was excited thinking something top gear related was happening. Nope, just a bunch of shitposts. Don't forget the re-re-re-debate about who was right/wrong in that situation. For the record, Clarkson, by his own admission and strident repetition, was fully in the wrong.
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Heners_UK posted:For the record, Clarkson, by his own admission and strident repetition, was fully in the wrong. This is what I find most sad/hilarious/stupid. Clarkson reported the incident himself, has accepted full responsibility and has told people to stop blaming Tymon, but for some reason there are people who just refuse to accept that Tymon is innocent (so to speak). Plus, Clarkson, May and Hammond are even returning with a show where the BBC won't be around to tell them off for being offensive, so really, all the neanderthals who think punching people and being racist is ok should be happy (disclaimer: I love May and Clarkson, and hell, even Hammond, and I laugh at all their stupid, offensive jokes despite being a raging socialist). And I know it's old news at this point, but Chris Evans floating the idea of presenting new Top Gear alone kills the whole show for me. It's not like I was looking forward to it, but with some decent co-hosts it could still be neat. I find Evans unbearable, and I can't see how an hour of him alone could ever be watchable, let alone several seasons worth of hours. Scherloch fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Nov 16, 2015 |
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Scherloch posted:This is what I find most sad/hilarious/stupid. Clarkson reported the incident himself, has accepted full responsibility and has told people to stop blaming Tymon, but for some reason there are people who just refuse to accept that Tymon is innocent (so to speak). +1 this times a million. The real-life Clarkson is a conservative (possibly a semi-reasonable one at that), as are most British people from his generation. From what I've seen in serious interviews and his WW2 documentaries etc., he seems very intelligent and hugely interested in history and all kinds of machinery and technology, possibly the biggest Isambard Kingdom Brunel fanboy IN THE WORLD. Hell, he even liked the BMW i8 when he reviewed it on Top Gear, and in the rare moments where the real-life Clarkson shines through in Top Gear, he's admitted to liking tiny hatchbacks and diesel, hydrogen, hybrid etc. cars. Top Gear Clarkson is a blustering buffoon, a raging hard-right super-conservative Thatcher fanboy who would rather melt the poles, burn the whales, step on puppies and eat the baby seals than give up V8 and V12 POWAH, and unlike the real Clarkson, Top Gear Clarkson just uses brute force to "fix" everything. It's a joke character, but a lot of people seem to think he's actually being serious 
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There are people who think Stephen Colbert is serious. World's full of stupid people.
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Heners_UK posted:For the record, Clarkson, by his own admission and strident repetition, was fully in the wrong. Scherloch posted:This is what I find most sad/hilarious/stupid. Clarkson reported the incident himself, has accepted full responsibility and has told people to stop blaming Tymon, but for some reason there are people who just refuse to accept that Tymon is innocent (so to speak). This is what I find most sad/hilarious/stupid. People are fixed that there MUST be a binary wrong/right in this situation. Yes, Clarkson made a bad move. He attempted to mitigate as much as he could and moved on. The little bitch, on the other hand, is also wrong in that now he's trying to monetize a bloody lip into a six-figure payout.
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It's easy to move on when you're not the one who was attacked.
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I think Clarkson is a huge idiot and a terrible person but that doesn't stop me from finding him entertaining or whatever. If I couldn't enjoy stuff made by terrible people/companies I couldn't enjoy almost anything.
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meatpimp posted:This is what I find most sad/hilarious/stupid. People are fixed that there MUST be a binary wrong/right in this situation. Yes, Clarkson made a bad move. He attempted to mitigate as much as he could and moved on. The little bitch, on the other hand, is also wrong in that now he's trying to monetize a bloody lip into a six-figure payout. It's lol that you keep referring to the guy as 'little bitch' and 'pussy' Dude, seriously. He's not trying to get into your pockets so let Clarkson take the hit for being a complete idiot who couldn't hold his temper. Also chillllllllll 
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I wasn't sure if you'd be able to do it meatpimp, but I'm proud to announce you have once again won the "Worst AI Poster of the Year" award for the 6th year in a row. Congrats.
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meatpimp posted:The little bitch, on the other hand, is also wrong in that now he's trying to monetize a bloody lip into a six-figure payout. No hes not. A normal person would go to jail for assaulting someone. A rich person pays the get-out-of-jail fee.
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stevobob posted:This is the worst thread You mean now, or 3 months ago when the exact same comments were posted, in the same order?
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KillHour posted:Can't it be both? The perpetual worst thread. You might have to fight the F1 thread for that.
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