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Joementum posted:Well, Ike didn't let Nixon do anything. One of his smartest decisions. well hey now, he let him continue administering the Congressional Chowder and Marching society
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Given that the Dem debates are 200% less of a shitshow and 50% more about the issues, what were the highlights of tonight's debate? I take it not much since all of the discussion seems to be about something else entirely.
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im getting word from karl rove that we could still Whip Inflation Now any day
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Nov 15, 2015 05:57
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Tatum Girlparts is being intentionally misleading about Bernie's stance for support of a minimum wage increase. He said that people need money to pay for more goods and services because that's what generates demand for jobs. It was an employment issue to begin with. Acting as if poor people don't care about the availability of jobs, is the most ludicrous concern trolling I've ever seen. Keep telling yourself that a $15MW would ever pass congress. 
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Xelkelvos posted:Given that the Dem debates are 200% less of a shitshow and 50% more about the issues, what were the highlights of tonight's debate? I take it not much since all of the discussion seems to be about something else entirely. Highlight was Hillary getting twitterwrecked for saying the reason that wallstreet gives her money was because 9/11
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Nov 15, 2015 05:57
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The real winner tonight was the ghost of Eisenhower
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Nov 15, 2015 05:58
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I can't believe how much I like Ike! I think Ike was the hero everyone needed but not the one everyone deserved
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Tigntink posted:Highlight was Hillary getting twitterwrecked for saying the reason that wallstreet gives her money was because 9/11 Hillary was getting hammered tonight and  @ anyone who says the media gives her a pass.
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Nov 15, 2015 05:59
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Bad Caller posted:The real winner tonight was the ghost of Eisenhower Eisenhower's Ghost vs. Baby Hitler?
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Nov 15, 2015 05:59
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Tigntink posted:There was a kid in Memphis who was accepted to every single Ivy college with full ride scholarships but decided to go to a state school because his parents couldn't afford to help him with the high living expenses that come with going to ivy leagues. College isn't just tuition. Last debate, Hillary said that every part of college should be affordable on a 10 hour a week minimum wage job - tuition, books, food, housing, the whole works Of course private schools like the ivy league wouldn't be covered, so that guy would still go to state u Nintendo Kid has issued a correction as of 06:04 on Nov 15, 2015 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Tatum Girlparts is being intentionally misleading about Bernie's stance for support of a minimum wage increase. He said that people need money to pay for more goods and services because that's what generates demand for jobs. It was an employment issue to begin with. Acting as if poor people don't care about the availability of jobs, is the most ludicrous concern trolling I've ever seen. Ok? My issue wasn't with the magic number but with shifting the discussion away from what the actual people currently not making that much need to survive and instead turning it into 'but they can BUY STUFF THEY WANT' as if there isn't a huge issue with people spinning minimum wage protests as lazy poors wanting to buy more poo poo.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Wanting to be a car mechanic also isn't, though. God forbid someone spend their money on learning a skill they can actually use rather than a bachelor's that doesn't net them anything. CNN tried to discredit one of the Republican's this way, saying that philosophy professors earn twice what plumbers due. Which is true, but doesn't take into account the fact that plumber is a job that is in demand everywhere, vs something that has pretty limited opportunities.
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ike would've killed baby hitler he sure as hell killed Eddie Slovik
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All of them were intentionally vague about foreign policy, and only Bernie had a specific proposal which is to get our Mooslim allies in the region to coalesce against ISIS. I don't think it's particularly realistic but at least it's something. Hillary had a lot of What The gently caress moments tonight. The 9/11 thing being the most egregious. Then there was her statement of opposition to free college because taxpayers shouldn't pay to send Donald Trump's kids to school. Well, we would have paid to send them to K-12 grade if they had attended a public school too, so what difference does it make to send them to college along with everyone else? It's the exact same argument that rich people use to campaign against public funding for primary and secondary education. And what about social security benefits? Is she against rich people drawing SS as well? Universality is the whole appeal to free university. Her opposition to a 15 dollar minimum also didn't make any sense. We should only have 12 dollars because no other country has a minimum as high as 15? That's not very compelling for a country that's supposed to be exceptional.
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Bad Caller posted:The real winner tonight was the ghost of Eisenhower Can we just prop his corpse up in the White House?
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Ok? My issue wasn't with the magic number but with shifting the discussion away from what the actual people currently not making that much need to survive and instead turning it into 'but they can BUY STUFF THEY WANT' as if there isn't a huge issue with people spinning minimum wage protests as lazy poors wanting to buy more poo poo. No, you said that it showed Bernie doesn't care about the concerns of poor people.
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Nov 15, 2015 06:03
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Immortan posted:Keep telling yourself that a $15MW would ever pass congress. It's not realistic for any kind of minimum wage increase to ever pass congress. $12 an hour is not some magical number that is perfectly triangulated to the body politic.
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Nov 15, 2015 06:04
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Ok? My issue wasn't with the magic number but with shifting the discussion away from what the actual people currently not making that much need to survive and instead turning it into 'but they can BUY STUFF THEY WANT' as if there isn't a huge issue with people spinning minimum wage protests as lazy poors wanting to buy more poo poo. it just seems like you really want to hate bernie for no reason, hth. why is $15 minimum wage a bad thing? he didn't say it would be immediately implemented. it would be done over time, like a $12 minimum wage would.
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Armyman25 posted:God forbid someone spend their money on learning a skill they can actually use rather than a bachelor's that doesn't net them anything. Well, the point is that you actually get a lot from an undergraduate education and you shouldn't have to spend your money on it.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:converting conservative Christians into socialists is his magic technique It's the best strategy Christian socialism is the right path
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Nov 15, 2015 06:06
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democrats really need to intentionally lose the 2016 elections then stonewall the president so he's really unpopular in 2018 so they can win lots of state legislatures and governorships and gerrymander the house of representatives in the redistricting phase after the next census so the next democratic president can ever have any hope of passing any of their campaign promises through congress
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You've gotta start high and bargain. Everyone knows that the republicans are going to start off no matter what by saying X number is too high, come down. So then if you start high you might be able to get what you wanted or a little below.
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Indigo Jones posted:it just seems like you really want to hate bernie for no reason, hth. I legitimately don't know how many times I have to say the $15 isn't the issue
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College education is a civic good that benefits society on the net by having a well educated populace. There's nothing stopping somebody who pursues a Gen. Ed. degree from then turning around and learning a trade.Tatum Girlparts posted:I legitimately don't know how many times I have to say the $15 isn't the issue Your issue is that you hate Bernie for no good reason.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:College education is a civic good that benefits society on the net by having a well educated populace. There's nothing stopping somebody who pursues a Gen. Ed. degree from then turning around and learning a trade. Can't have people getting educated. They might make their own decisions instead of just looking to the TV to tell them what to do.
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Tigntink posted:You've gotta start high and bargain. Everyone knows that the republicans are going to start off no matter what by saying X number is too high, come down. So then if you start high you might be able to get what you wanted or a little below. youve also gotta get elected by the same electorate that sends all those republicans into office though, just saying 9999999999999999999999999 and waiting to be negotiated down is therefore not optimal the argument about X vs X+Y is more about positioning so the no-hope candidates can look good to their liberal donor base while the yes-hope candidate gets to look like the moderate for all the idiots who need to actually vote for the d in like 51 weeks
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K-12 is absurdly more important than anything after, how about fixing that first
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:College education is a civic good that benefits society on the net by having a well educated populace. There's nothing stopping somebody who pursues a Gen. Ed. degree from then turning around and learning a trade. also there's plenty of things you can study in college that are basically more complex vocational training like accounting and engineering
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Tigntink posted:Can't have people getting educated. They might make their own decisions instead of just looking to the TV to tell them what to do. Even if they drop out and don't earn a degree, it's not as if the time spent at college was wasted. It isn't as if they learned nothing or weren't at all bettered by the experience. Concerns about how many dropouts we're paying for reinforces the notion that the degree is a good in itself and not the education.
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EugeneJ posted:Trump running on anti-immigration while calling out Hillary on her Wall Street donors should be enough to win B...b...but... People generally speaking have net positive affect when hearing her name! She's the Only Choice! *pushes all chips in
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There's other things too, like how people with college ids can get all kinds of discounts for a good 4 years that a dude at a typical trade school cant
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triple sulk posted:K-12 is absurdly more important than anything after, how about fixing that first K-12 doesn't get fixed by opposing free college tuition.
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Meanwhile, if you're still watching CBS you're seeing a Bob Hope infomercial.
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Bob Hope can SIT ON IT!
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Joementum posted:Meanwhile, if you're still watching CBS you're seeing a Bob Hope infomercial. this is the world that most voters live in we do not and can not understand them
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triple sulk posted:K-12 is absurdly more important than anything after, how about fixing that first If more parents were (college) educated maybe they wouldn't flip their poo poo every time a different method to teach math comes up?
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REICH PIKE IKEMatthewtheman posted:You're very presumptuous. Just because someone is poor doesn't mean they're dumb and/or bad with money. Most poor people are poor because of our lovely economy designed to prevent them from rising in economic class. triple sulk's original point hasn't been well explained. One emergent advantage of socialism is that it can remove some choice paralysis. Poor people have to make a lot more smart decisions than wealthier people to survive. Their financial management might be top notch but if you run out of bandwidth and you are tired and hungry after a full day's work on your proletarian feet of course you'll make the short term decision and get an overpriced fast food meal. There does seem to be a limit on the number of smart decisions a person can make in a day. Immortan posted:Hillary was getting hammered tonight and the media gives her attention and speaks about politics on her terms that's the issue
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Under Sanders' current proposal the $15 dollar minimum wage wouldn't go into effect until 2020 at which point it would be worth about $13.50 depending on inflation.
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