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Avenging_Mikon posted:Yeah but they did it a million times. I'm pissed they bothered implementing remote play on ps4 with it, rather than find a solution using tablets. With what would you control a PS game on a tablet? The Vita is only missing the shoulder triggers. Using tablets as a mobile display while still using the DS4 controller is the best I can imagine.
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mycot posted:It also really kills me that, in an age where people have become so confident about finding reveals weeks or months ahead of time, CLOUD STRIFE IN SMASH was kept in total hush hush secrecy. I like to imagine that this is because Cloud was so unbelievable before they actually did it that nobody could leak it. Cloud was one of the characters people wheeled out to make exaggerated predictions, he was perhaps only second to Goku in that regard. Anybody actually leaking that would be accused of faking it by pretty much everyone, pretty much immediately.
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I like to think fighting Devastator and Menasor at the same time in Transformers: Devastation is a troll. Because why else would Platinum want you to fight two giant robots who specialize in loving up your camera while killing you in a single combo?
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mycot posted:It wouldn't be as funny if almost the entire rest of the Smash 4 cast wasn't leaked ahead of time though. Which Nintendo flipped out about. Supposedly at least one of the major leaks was tracked down, fired, and sued into oblivion.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:12
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Is it a troll that Bethesda made the main character in FO4 straight and married? Because that seems to be irking people because it puts too much plot in their sandbox rpg.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:47
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Len posted:Is it a troll that Bethesda made the main character in FO4 straight and married? Because that seems to be irking people because it puts too much plot in their sandbox rpg. bhlaab posted:The back story of Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas are incredibly general and based on circumstance. In the tradition of pen & paper rpgs you are a clean slate of a person thrown into a situation by an inciting incident and free to make up your mind about the specifics of your past and personality. It's a reasonable complaint. (edit) vvv Lol dude the FO4 thread is like a thousand pages long and it's been out less than a week. 13Pandora13 has a new favorite as of 04:56 on Nov 15, 2015 |
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Nov 15, 2015 04:52
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Len posted:Is it a troll that Bethesda made the main character in FO4 straight and married? Because that seems to be irking people because it puts too much plot in their sandbox rpg. There is no one in the world who sincerely gives a poo poo about the plot to a Bethesda game.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:54
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13Pandora13 posted:It's a reasonable complaint. I've been saying this stuff since before the game came out, but this guy's put it way better than I have. Probably because he's actually played the game instead of not buying it because of this exact problem.
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Nov 15, 2015 05:03
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13Pandora13 posted:vvv Lol dude the FO4 thread is like a thousand pages long and it's been out less than a week. I'm sure all 40000 of those posts are about the plot of the game. (there is a 0% chance of this, no one has ever played a bethesda rpg without skipping all the dialogue after an hour)
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Nov 15, 2015 05:10
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Cleretic posted:I've been saying this stuff since before the game came out, but this guy's put it way better than I have. Probably because he's actually played the game instead of not buying it because of this exact problem. I'm already back to New Vegas. Maybe if, in a couple of years, there's modding that basically overhauls the dialog from the ground up I'll go back but whelp.
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New Vegas did a cool thing where your skills gave you some starting gear. If you were good at melee combat, you got a melee starting weapon, because your character is the Courier and reasonably good at whatever poo poo they have to deal with on a daily basis. Is that law degree thing Int-independent? Because I would love to play a 1-int lady who uses a greathammer to solve literally all of her problems and can't string two words together but totally had a law degree you guys. Somfin has a new favorite as of 05:24 on Nov 15, 2015 |
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Nov 15, 2015 05:22
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Somfin posted:uses a greathammer to solve literally all of her problems I believe it's called a "Gavel"
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Evilreaver posted:I believe it's called a "Gavel" Only if you're a robe-person. The shouty one.
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Somfin posted:New Vegas did a cool thing where your skills gave you some starting gear. If you were good at melee combat, you got a melee starting weapon, because your character is the Courier and reasonably good at whatever poo poo they have to deal with on a daily basis. kazil posted:In Fallout 4 if you play as the wife, and set your intelligence to literally the lowest possible setting, you still have a law degree.
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13Pandora13 posted:I'm already back to New Vegas. Maybe if, in a couple of years, there's modding that basically overhauls the dialog from the ground up I'll go back but whelp. The Nexus has both already got a same-sex marriage save setup and a mod to remove all the player character's voiced lines. And that's without the mod tools. So that's the silver lining to me in all this; the people with the know-how to actually solve this problem also have the eye to see it and the willingness to do it. It seems that this specific choice is the one most biting Bethesda in the rear end, though. I'd be interested to see both their justification and response, even if it takes them until their next game to make it.
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Their response and their justification will be "this game hasn't been a free form RPG for 17 years and no matter what we do, you grognards are still going to complain and we're still going to sell fifty ho-jillion copies" The days of publishers letting this sort of game come out without focus-grouping it to death and making sure it has the biggest mass appeal as possible are long gone. In this case, it means having a solid story and locking you into it to a greater degree than previously. I personally don't see it as a problem and certainly not as a troll. I played both of the original games basically the day they came out, until I had wrung out every ounce of enjoyment they had to offer. I'll play this one in a few months and a few bug patches' time (but apparently it's not as bad as past releases for this) but I know I'm not getting a "real" Fallout experience in 2015 no matter how much I wanted one.
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I think my complaint is that it puts exactly the worst amount of plot into it. We don't have, like, Shepard or similar, who's an actual character I can get behind, we've got an almost blank slate, but with just enough characterization applied to stop me from quite playing the character I want to play. It's a pretty tiny annoyance for me, but it's still an annoyance.
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Nov 15, 2015 07:06
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Lol if you roleplay in a videogame about slave vegetable farming and dog micromanagement Just lol
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ArcMage posted:I think my complaint is that it puts exactly the worst amount of plot into it. We don't have, like, Shepard or similar, who's an actual character I can get behind, we've got an almost blank slate, but with just enough characterization applied to stop me from quite playing the character I want to play. Yeah this is kind of nagging at me. Not very long after you leave the vault you become an almost blank slate, but before that they give you a lot of history and there's just enough connection to that history to make it weird whenever it comes up in a conversation. Then stuff like the 1-intelligence idiot with a law degree, etc.
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Somfin posted:Only if you're a robe-person. The shouty one. The Graybeards aren't in Fallout 4.
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Gestalt Intellect posted:Yeah this is kind of nagging at me. Not very long after you leave the vault you become an almost blank slate, but before that they give you a lot of history and there's just enough connection to that history to make it weird whenever it comes up in a conversation. Then stuff like the 1-intelligence idiot with a law degree, etc. They also took out the same-sex romance perks, so men are locked into Lady Killer and women are locked into Black Widow. It's too bad, really.
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EDIT: ^^ In fairness, Confirmed Bachelor and Cherchez La Femme were not included by Bethesda, they were done by Obsidian in New Vegas. It's still a great idea they should've borrowed, though, and I want to say there were ways to initiate gay old times and/or lesbionics in the games before that. And of course, Skyrim had entirely gender-irrelevant marriages.ArcMage posted:I think my complaint is that it puts exactly the worst amount of plot into it. We don't have, like, Shepard or similar, who's an actual character I can get behind, we've got an almost blank slate, but with just enough characterization applied to stop me from quite playing the character I want to play. Actually, it's pretty much the exact possible anti-Shepard. While Shepard's a pretty defined character in the actual games, with a very specific list of objectives, we choose the actual personal history that led to them being in that position. Shepard will always be a militaristic badass, but it's up to you whether that's because of a military family raising them and being the sole survivor of an operation gone wrong, or because they're an orphan who joined the military to be a horrifying stone-cold killer. Your choice has minor in-game effects, but mostly it just helps to inform what sort of person the character might be in your hands. You can very easily ignore it, and in fact I have no idea what backstories I chose because it has so very little impact. Fallout 4's protagonist has a VERY rigidly-defined pre-game story. Like was said: Married, straight, pre-war parent in a specific age and probably income bracket, that lives in the suburbs, and was either in the military or has a law degree depending on your gender. Even if the game does go 'but you know, whatever, do what you want' after the first half-hour, that leaves a MASSIVE print that, yes, you'll never be able to completely shake off. Cleretic has a new favorite as of 07:48 on Nov 15, 2015 |
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Cleretic posted:EDIT: ^^ In fairness, Confirmed Bachelor and Cherchez La Femme were not included by Bethesda, they were done by Obsidian in New Vegas. It's still a great idea they should've borrowed, though, and I want to say there were ways to initiate gay old times and/or lesbionics in the games before that. And of course, Skyrim had entirely gender-irrelevant marriages. This is far more words than the subject warrants.
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Please stop talking about how the plot to games trolls the players, in the PYF Trolls From Game Developers thread.
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Lady Naga posted:Please stop talking about how the plot to games trolls the players, in the PYF Trolls From Game Developers thread. In all fairness, I don't think Bethesda was deliberately messing with players by making the protag straight. If this was the stuff dragging games down thread, I'd say have at it, but this is for games designed to piss you off.
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You'll spend so much of your playtime digging through literal trash that you won't even notice your sexuality!
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My dude character had the option to flirt with that minute man guy though. I didn't do it because that's guys annoying as hell telling me how amazing and selfless I am every few minutes. Back off man!
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Yeah Bro posted:This is far more words than the subject warrants. Sorry the game's plot raped and murdered your parents enough to make you have to point out how terrible it is whenever anyone else cares about it, instead of just you know, not caring about those posts.
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Yeah Bro posted:This is far more words than the subject warrants. Hey. Bud. We get it. It's ok
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X: HATE GAY
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Alaois posted:maybe the character is just bi they are, you can romance most of the humanoid companions regardless of gender and you can romance them even if you've romanced someone else already. The start is a bit rigid but it's not a big deal. The only "troll" in that part is the fact that you get to play around in character creation for both, and if you're a certain kind of person you may spend an hour or two making both characters look perfect only for one of them to die 10 minutes into the game.
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Atasnaya Vaflja posted:they are, you can romance most of the humanoid companions regardless of gender and you can romance them even if you've romanced someone else already. So, the Saints Row IV model. Glad to know that concretely.
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graybook posted:So, the Saints Row IV model. Glad to know that concretely. Well you know Bethesda games always have actual impact from the player on the world allowing them to forge a name for themselves in ways that aren't predetermined based on the quests you do. Oh wait no they don't.
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Atasnaya Vaflja posted:they are, you can romance most of the humanoid companions regardless of gender and you can romance them even if you've romanced someone else already. Whoa whoa whoa hold the gently caress up. You're telling me that people on the internet were bitching about nothing!!!
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Atasnaya Vaflja posted:they are, you can romance most of the humanoid companions regardless of gender and you can romance them even if you've romanced someone else already.
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I was pretty bummed when I spent 3 hours making my ewife the prettiest ever only for her to be completely irrelevant to the game.
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Pneub posted:Whoa whoa whoa hold the gently caress up. You're telling me that people on the internet were bitching about nothing!!! Anyone who cares about insanely ham-fisted video game romance is probably creepy as gently caress IRL.
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NotAnArtist posted:I was pretty bummed when I spent 3 hours making my ewife the prettiest ever only for her to be completely irrelevant to the game. To be fair thats the same for every single bethesda game ever. Spend hours so you can sometimes look at a shittily animated version of yourself in third person sometimes. I don't know why people give a poo poo about character designers, never had any appeal to me.
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graybook posted:So, the Saints Row IV model. Glad to know that concretely. You have to actually impress the companion first but basically, yeah. It's awesome. Agent355 posted:To be fair thats the same for every single bethesda game ever. Spend hours so you can sometimes look at a shittily animated version of yourself in third person sometimes. They're fun to play around with in the moment, for me. I like to see what I can make but it's more a neat creative tool than an obsessive mirror simulator for a lot of people. For example:  (Not mine)
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