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BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.
Lol WHAT IF A BROWN PERSON WORKED FOR AN AIRLINE. - TSA

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Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Foppery posted:

I wish i could talk to that Slate guy so that I could tell him that millenials are simply concerned with more important matters, such as the achievement of socialism within our lifetime

What if a disenfranchised youth who would've committed terrorist acts got help early on and was able to use social programs to go to school and eventually cure cancer?

Not my tax dollars.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I was joking

The bad guy was George w bush

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

fade5 posted:

WHY AREN'T YOU SCARED OF THE COMMUNISTS TERRORISTS!?

Seriously, it's loving pathetic, and that article is terrible

like I understand (while disagreeing) when veterans go "ive been overseas fightin for are freedoms, why don't people respect the necessity of this?", but why does some fat idiot columnist care one way or the other

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Gravel Gravy posted:

Cheney and Rumsfeld did too.

Cheney offered up a viable solution during HW's invasion of Iraq.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



GhostofJohnMuir posted:

Given the current sectarian state of Iraq, I think even without Bremer's appalling gently caress ups we would have ended up here one way or another. We just wouldn't have had to burn massive stacks of cash to do so.

how the everloving gently caress did saddam control the country.

i guess it wasn't ground zero for a saudi-iran proxy war at the time but still.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

Shear Modulus posted:

how the everloving gently caress did saddam control the country.

i guess it wasn't ground zero for a saudi-iran proxy war at the time but still.

Brutal Authoritarianism

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Lol WHAT IF A BROWN PERSON WORKED FOR AN AIRLINE. - TSA

What if an Egyptian pilot, motivated by radical islam, crashed his plane on purpose, with the last words one is able to make out on the cockpit voice recorder being "allahu ackbar"?

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007


The libertarianism and isolationism of our time cross party lines. They affects President Obama, who came into office promising to bring our troops home. But they also affects Republicans. Sen. Lindsey Graham, the Republican presidential candidate who has campaigned on a platform of sending troops to fight ISIS, couldn’t even garner enough support in the polls to get into his party’s undercard debate last week.

????

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Brutal Authoritarianism

oh yeah

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

Shear Modulus posted:

how the everloving gently caress did saddam control the country.

Nerve gas.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Saddam repressed the gently caress out the shiia and let the Kurds some autonomy and then instituted a progressive secular state which gave opportunities to all people including women and Christians using socialized oil wealth.

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Shear Modulus posted:

how the everloving gently caress did saddam control the country.

i guess it wasn't ground zero for a saudi-iran proxy war at the time but still.

Combination of brutally suppressing even a hint of rebellion from the Shia and creating networks of patronage among Sunni tribes after the Gulf war

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.


Yea, this won't affect young peoples views in US at all.

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

My Imaginary GF posted:

What if an Egyptian pilot, motivated by radical islam, crashed his plane on purpose, with the last words one is able to make out on the cockpit voice recorder being "allahu ackbar"?

What if an airline pilot crashed his plane because he was suicidal and felt like it for the hell of it?

Homura and Sickle
Apr 21, 2013

Badger of Basra posted:

The libertarianism and isolationism of our time cross party lines. They affects President Obama, who came into office promising to bring our troops home. But they also affects Republicans. Sen. Lindsey Graham, the Republican presidential candidate who has campaigned on a platform of sending troops to fight ISIS, couldn’t even garner enough support in the polls to get into his party’s undercard debate last week.

????

terrorism hates are conjugations

grammar is a sign of improper not post 9/11 enough mindset

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

euphronius posted:

Saddam repressed the gently caress out the shiia and let the Kurds some autonomy and then instituted a progressive secular state which gave opportunities to all people including women and Christians using socialized oil wealth.

We tried to give them a stock market, why couldn't they appreciate that?

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


I wonder if Saddam or his sons could have held onto power after the Arab Spring? Hard to see how things could have turned out worse though

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

Gravel Gravy posted:

What if an airline pilot crashed his plane because he was suicidal and felt like it for the hell of it?

Put his severed hand next to a paper bag and I'll let you know.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

His sons were total gently caress ups

You probably would have had another Ba'ath leader take over

Homura and Sickle
Apr 21, 2013

Vivian Darkbloom posted:

I wonder if Saddam or his sons could have held onto power after the Arab Spring? Hard to see how things could have turned out worse though

counterfactuals are hard but the iraq war was prolly a proximate cause of the arab spring

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Vivian Darkbloom posted:

I wonder if Saddam or his sons could have held onto power after the Arab Spring? Hard to see how things could have turned out worse though

Depends if he had WMD's or not.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

Vivian Darkbloom posted:

I wonder if Saddam or his sons could have held onto power after the Arab Spring? Hard to see how things could have turned out worse though

That's a hard counterfactual, because we have no idea what the ME would be like without our invasion of Iraq.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

here's a counterfactual for you: how about if that article wasn't terrible

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Jagchosis posted:

counterfactuals are hard but the iraq war was prolly a proximate cause of the arab spring

Yeah, fair enough. But man, things would have been different if not for wacky antics in Florida 2000

fade5
May 31, 2012

by exmarx

Vivian Darkbloom posted:

I wonder if Saddam or his sons could have held onto power after the Arab Spring? Hard to see how things could have turned out worse though
In whatever timeline this would be, the US would probably back the Iraqi Kurds against Saddam (again), and you might get something similar to Libya

Of course:

Jagchosis posted:

counterfactuals are hard but the iraq war was prolly a proximate cause of the arab spring

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I think this Paris attack actually seals isisis fate as Russia will get on board finally with the west due to concessions on Assad to lead a multinational and maybe even UNSC force to remove them from the pages of history

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

Badger of Basra posted:

here's a counterfactual for you: how about if that article wasn't terrible

It probably would have been boring.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Bush did 9/11 and by extension 11/13

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Vivian Darkbloom posted:

Yeah, fair enough. But man, things would have been different if not for wacky antics in Florida 2000

Florida is a bad place

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Luigi Thirty posted:

Saddam Hussein likely contributed to 9/11 and by extension 11/13

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Holy poo poo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brTX1SSi_2g

fade5
May 31, 2012

by exmarx

Vivian Darkbloom posted:

Yeah, fair enough. But man, things would have been different if not for wacky antics in Florida 2000
We'd still be in Afghanistan with Gore, but not Iraq (Hollismason's fever dreams excepted)

euphronius posted:

I think this Paris attack actually seals isisis fate as Russia will get on board finally with the west due to concessions on Assad to lead a multinational and maybe even UNSC force to remove them from the pages of history
stop reading Russia Today, it's rotting your mind even further

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

euphronius posted:

I think this Paris attack actually seals isisis fate as Russia will get on board finally with the west due to concessions on Assad to lead a multinational and maybe even UNSC force to remove them from the pages of history

why would the attacks cause russia to get on board with the west?

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good

euphronius posted:

I think this Paris attack actually seals isisis fate as Russia will get on board finally with the west due to concessions on Assad to lead a multinational and maybe even UNSC force to remove them from the pages of history

nah

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Sharkie posted:

why would the attacks cause russia to get on board with the west?

Because of concessions on Assad

As a I said in my poSt

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

euphronius posted:

I think this Paris attack actually seals isisis fate as Russia will get on board finally with the west due to concessions on Assad to lead a multinational and maybe even UNSC force to remove them from the pages of history

Prolly, and mobilize NATO,because before this you had some places like Canada
We're talking about leaving the region.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


What is a concession on Assad? Like, Russia leans on him and then he's like "ok go get ISIS"?

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Vivian Darkbloom posted:

What is a concession on Assad? Like, Russia leans on him and then he's like "ok go get ISIS"?

Allow Syria to continue to be in the Russian sphere

Isis gone

Everyone wins

Except fade funf :lol:

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My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Vivian Darkbloom posted:

What is a concession on Assad?

Kill him. We don't care who runs alawite syria, as long as Bashar is dirt.

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