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SPACE HOMOS posted:Yeah that seems dumb. At least using a Fakel (SLEEP) makes it a really short mission. Is there a good scope to help with the grenade arc? I feel like I would spend way too long getting the long distance shots dialed in.
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CharlieWhiskey posted:Is there a good scope to help with the grenade arc? I feel like I would spend way too long getting the long distance shots dialed in.
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Nov 10, 2015 17:50
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Can't you just shoot her in the head with a .50 cal? I thought she'd go into the downed "kill or save!" state regardless of whether you used lethal or LTL weapons.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:38
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Colapops posted:Can't you just shoot her in the head with a .50 cal? I thought she'd go into the downed "kill or save!" state regardless of whether you used lethal or LTL weapons. This is correct. Anti-materiel rifle is the fasted way to out-snipe her. If you don't need s-ranks to unlock her, I think air-support is probably faster.
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:One thing I really like about the plot is that you’re almost always the one being proactive – from the first few missions on, Skull Face is on the back foot the whole time. It’s really refreshing to play a game where the protagonists aren’t just reacting to everything around them. Hell, to see a story in general where that’s the case, even a lot of detective stories have the hero getting a lucky break by something or someone that comes across them. It’s slightly let down by Venom himself being kind of passive, but it really helps sell the whole legend of Big Boss (as well as the idea that Outer Heaven is a nascent force to be reckoned with) that once he has you in his sights, you’re hosed and all you can do is delay until he inevitably hunts you down. Yeah I liked that too. I also liked that there's no one single force orchestrating everything, like there is in all the other MGS games-- at least twice, you find out about something crucial because of a misunderstanding regarding who did what in the chaos that emerges between all the factions. "Who can keep track of all the links between militias and mercs out here," like the guy says in that random conversation that seems to play twice as often as all the others.
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Nov 10, 2015 19:51
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Yes, sleeping gas bombardment is the quickest way to beat Quiet. Also, another time-saving tip: rather than wait for the helicopter to appear, just run out of the mission area with her. it counts as an extraction.
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Nov 10, 2015 20:26
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When Venom meets Skull face for the first time in Afghanistan and the ST-84, its all covered in that rust poo poo. Is that because of the nearby Mist(?) unit? The whole metallic archaea subplot I feel isn't explained very well. Why isn't the ST-84 affected by the metallic archaea? So you have vocal chord parasites which despite their name also covers skin and can make magic. Then you have metallic archaea which are un-related(?) to the VCP which the skulls can fart out and that does other magic? Also Skull Face can remote control the uranium metallic archaea somehow using what, 1984 proto nanomachines inside the archaea? Seriously, MGS1+ nano machines was a better deus ex machina.
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Nov 10, 2015 20:53
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There's voice parasites (with many language strains), metallic archaea (one strain enriches uranium), and the "one who covers" parasites, harvested from the Cobras, that grant superpowers.
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Is there an animation for the ST-84 that involves the big rear end grenades it has on its legs?
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Hobo By Design posted:There's voice parasites (with many language strains), metallic archaea (one strain enriches uranium), and the "one who covers" parasites, harvested from the Cobras, that grant superpowers. There's also the midichlorians that give Bosses their soldier powers. The only thing we can believe in with absolute certainty is the
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Super lame and dumb that skullface only harvested The End's photosynthesis powers and not the bee power parasites Code Talker mentions, imho
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Ambivalent posted:Super lame and dumb that skullface only harvested The End's photosynthesis powers and not the bee power parasites Code Talker mentions, imho Did they even have those? I thought that was something Code Talker heard about second-hand and the only ones they were able to recover were the ones from The End. Alternatively: maybe Skully whipped up a batch of bee-parasites off-screen and thats where all the zombie soldiers came from. 
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:Did they even have those? I thought that was something Code Talker heard about second-hand and the only ones they were able to recover were the ones from The End. Look, they reverse-engineered the vocal cord parasites from backwards-evolutioning parasites in Chinese cattle, they could have found the bee parasites
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It's actually worse than that: Code Talker heard about the bee powers and The Fear's powers and desperately wanted to have them (because Code Talker rules) and they wouldn't give him access to the remains. So they could have had those powers and didn't let the guy who knew how to make use of them at the bodies.
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Nov 11, 2015 02:58
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Nakar posted:It's actually worse than that: Code Talker heard about the bee powers and The Fear's powers and desperately wanted to have them (because Code Talker rules) and they wouldn't give him access to the remains. So they could have had those powers and didn't let the guy who knew how to make use of them at the bodies. Skull face is such a moron. Fitting how he ends up just tossed away.
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He did not have a lust for bees.
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Maybe he was afraid of the prospect of an invisible Navajo who shoots bees and clouds of metal-corroding parasites and also he's able to armor himself and survives entirely on sunlight. Big Boss wouldn't have even needed to do anything, Code Talker would've just hosed up Skull Face himself.
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Nakar posted:It's actually worse than that: Code Talker heard about the bee powers and The Fear's powers and desperately wanted to have them (because Code Talker rules) and they wouldn't give him access to the remains. So they could have had those powers and didn't let the guy who knew how to make use of them at the bodies.
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Shaocaholica posted:So you have vocal chord parasites which despite their name also covers skin and can make magic. Then you have metallic archaea which are un-related(?) to the VCP which the skulls can fart out and that does other magic? Also Skull Face can remote control the uranium metallic archaea somehow using what, 1984 proto nanomachines inside the archaea? You know, as crazy as things in this game get, the most unbelievable element is still that no one shoots Huey
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"I'm not the one who should be shot, I'm a good guy. I should be the one shooting you!"
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I do like that head Paz confirms that Venom wants to kill Huey
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Brinstar Brew posted:You know, as crazy as things in this game get, the most unbelievable element is still that no one shoots Huey He's way too useful for weapons R&D.
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Brinstar Brew posted:You know, as crazy as things in this game get, the most unbelievable element is still that no one shoots Huey I thought they were actually going to kill Huey, but then I remembered that he has to drown himself in the 90s
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I couldn't hate Huey, he was basically Otacon who was a good if pathetic guy. I kept wanting to believe his sniveling excuses.
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notZaar posted:I couldn't hate Huey, he was basically Otacon who was a good if pathetic guy. I kept wanting to believe his sniveling excuses. He was a domestic abuser who literally murdered his baby-mama. Having said that he is also one of the more complicated characters in the game. He legit helps both Skull Face and Big Boss despite the fact that both sides treat him like poo poo. I honestly don't blame him for betraying either side though. I'd betray people who tortured me too. I still believe that he thought the inspection during GZ was real though and I believe he turned into a misanthropic rear end in a top hat after getting kidnapped by Skull Face.
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The real bad guy is Huey. He always was the source of revenge. Skull Face needed to die and was going to set the world on fire, but Huey is what caused the inspection, and his nuclear and bipedal walking research set the stage for the age of nuclear fear and terrorism for the next couple of decades. That motherfucking lying piece of poo poo, knows more than he lets on about, and I actually was willing to cut him some slack the first time around, but the more I kept hearing all of his questioning tapes over and over while kidnapping more people, the more I started hating him, and for that I applaud that part of the game. It was supposed to be hammered into my head kojima style, but with all the knowledge from the past games, I wasn't buying it.
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Even in Peacewalker, he's pretty narcissistic and delusional. He's fine working for Hot Coldman until the end of the project when it looks like Coldman is going to actually launch nukes (or maybe because Coldman is also probably going to kill Huey and Strangelove when the project is done). He's happy to be with MSF, and to build ZEKE, with launch capabilities and stuff, because gosh, it's just going to be a new deterrent for our cool Caribbean Summer Camp! He has no problem with anything until it starts to hurt him. I gave him the benefit of the doubt for a long time too, but at the same time, every time you came to him with some new information, he told you everything about whatever you threatened him over. But then you come to him with Metallic Archaea, and he tells you all about that. But he didn't volunteer anything about Metallic Archaea or any of that when you first asked him. He absolutely held back on everything until the torture, which makes it more clear he was obviously hedging his bets and he wasn't there to be bros with Snake or anything. Then with the Strangelove stuff just, haha, he changes his story like three times in the same breath. So when you go back to Peacewalker, you can see his flexible morals, and you can see how he put his name on all of Granin's research, and was willing to hang with Coldman rather than be outed over that. How he was ready to build ZEKE for MSF, how he blames his dad for his own inability to walk, etc. He felt like a whiny sniveling weirdo in PW, but it was hard to put my finger on it, so I wonder how much of it is intentional. Also, as someone pointed out, Miller and Snake lost limbs in GZ, but Huey 'gained' legs, so that is a pretty significant marker. Also, Huey struggling to stay afloat in the raft while Ocelot is talking about how he'll 'live for now, but he'll have to face up to the man he is some day' is basically foreshadowing his ultimate fate of drowning himself in his pool.
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Elephant Ambush posted:I still believe that he thought the inspection during GZ was real though and I believe he turned into a misanthropic rear end in a top hat after getting kidnapped by Skull Face. I thought that, but Kaz does specifically address it at the trial (whether you actually believe him or not), says that Huey sold them out for the promise of safety. Given how pretty much everyone else on Mother Base got killed, it's some pretty strong evidence that he was intentionally kept alive, I wouldn't trust him to have had good intentions
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Remember, Huey was escorted off MSF by XOF. Whether that means he intentionally sold them out or he was being captured is up to you, but I'm leaning more towards the former.
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Huey is one of the better written bad guys in recent memory, simply because he refuses to face the truth and his act is suprisingly convincing for the most part.
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Toadsmash posted:Can someone give the TLDR of how the gently caress Zero figures into things at the end of the game and why Kaz and him are on speaking terms in that truth tape? I'm an MGS newbie and tried to read the wiki entry on the guy and still couldn't figure it out. The Man Who Sold The World mission transitioning Zero from basically Diamond Dogs' antichrist to being all but buddy buddy with Miller went completely over my head. There isn't much to it other than that Zero loved Big Boss like a brother despite having practically opposing ideologies. In MGSV the big reveal is that Zero never actively tried to harm the Boss. Kaz had a business relationship with Zero in exchange for intel during the events of Peace Walker, so while they weren't exactly enemies, they weren't friends either. Kaz has always been weird in a sense that he puts business above everything else while still remaining loyal to Boss.
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I liked Huey in that i found him believably awful. It's weird that you didn't get the choice to kill him though. I guess they didn't want to let you violate canon, but it's the only time in the game where Snake makes a major call like that without your input, and it damages the whole idea of Venom being you "playing as" Big Boss. They could have let you choose to shoot him but he somehow escapes anyway, if they were so worried about the ol Metal Gear Canon that changes every game.
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or just fade to the Metal Gear Solid 3 TIME PARADOX screen.
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I wonder if the idea is that the player's control over Venom is supposed to be gradually lessening as Venom recovers memories or something, or becomes more used to being Big Boss. Anyways just a random thought I had. Dunno how much of the game actually supports something like that.
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Digital Osmosis posted:I finally beat the drat thing last night, and then spent around another hour listening to tapes and watching cut footage and poo poo. Act two is... totally pointless? There's absolutely nothing added to the plot or characterization other than suddenly finding what's up with Quite and then the last mission, which has no narrative build up and no narrative after effects. It just suddenly happens. What triggers "The Truth?" And while I think a lot of the fallout was intentionally vague and ambiguous, there's still the disturbing question at the end of how much Venom Snake knew, when he knew it, and what his response was to it. I completely disagree about Act 2 being pointless. Hell even mission 43 alone seemed like a huge turning point for Venom - killing his own men really hosed him up to the point where he was rubbing their ashes on his face and turning them into diamonds... and then you find out the real Big Boss, this perfect ideal, actually just did the same thing to you. He set you up to die but even worse, he did it to help himself not save the world from a disease. Everything you suffered for was pointless. Big Boss basically Skullfaced you Also from the trailer I think it's implied you're not supposed to do the Paz stuff until act 2. It makes more sense there because you're really seeing Venom crack in every way. But yeah it's pretty vague what actually happened
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People have said that the mirror scene is just before Venom gets killed by Solid Snake but... what implies that at all? I mean it sounds like he is near some warzone... I guess there is the operation tape. ???????
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Gortarius posted:People have said that the mirror scene is just before Venom gets killed by Solid Snake but... what implies that at all? The Operation Tape is the same name as the MG1 operation, and you hear fighting in the background so it's pretty heavily implied the operation has both started and is close enough to Venom that it's right before he fights Solid. Like there's no other time when the operation would have started and Venom would have known I guess. Pay 4000 MB for a DLC casette that you thought would explain it but is telling you about the mating habits of DDog for 15 minutes
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Gortarius posted:People have said that the mirror scene is just before Venom gets killed by Solid Snake but... what implies that at all? In addition to what ^^^^ that poster said, the logo change from Diamond Dogs to Outer Heaven in the background behind Venom, which the way it is shown, is meant to demonstrate passage of time.
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Ambivalent posted:In addition to what ^^^^ that poster said, the logo change from Diamond Dogs to Outer Heaven in the background behind Venom, which the way it is shown, is meant to demonstrate passage of time.
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