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smg77 posted:The low ratings aren't that surprising considering that the Democratic primary is boring (unless you're a Bernie Bro who still thinks Sanders has a chance) and it was on a Saturday night when nobody is watching TV. I'm a Bernie Bro and missed it. Did he win? My friends said he thinks global warming caused the French terrorist atacks.
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Three Olives posted:It absolutely disgusts me, I mean the lowest of the low to politicize this non-issue. There is almost zero chance that a terrorist would come in as a refugee, if they could pass the background check to come in as a refugee they could just come in on a tourist visa without all the annoying paperwork. Well this why the US was so slow to accept refugees- it takes a very long time to vet each one. A lot of people wanted to drop that policy but it's a very good thing no one of importance listened. I mean it's hardly just going to be the US south on this issue- refugee policy is going to be changed across the globe. Also to be frank you are not going to win in 16 by saying 'almost zero chance'. A couple more major attacks and it's going to be very hard for Hillary to win without going full hawk, unfortunately. mcmagic posted:So if we had a republican president we would have 150K troops heading to Syria/Iraq now. (For those who think there is no difference between the parties and that there is no reason to vote) "Because of this fact I completely just pulled out of my rear end,"
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Mike Pence also refusing refugees, probably to protect Christian pizza parlors.
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gohmak posted:I'm a Bernie Bro and missed it. Did he win? My friends said he thinks global warming caused the French terrorist atacks. He said that global warming is the biggest national security threat and that climate change can be said to be one of the causes of ISIS.
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Joementum posted:Bobby Jindal has joined the refugee refuseniks. It'll be interesting to see if Christie hops on board too, or maybe he'll just make them live in a tent for a month.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:07
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Didn't Alabama recently outlaw Sharia law as well? I can't say I'm surprised, but still... 
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I think it's super cool that some maniacs went on a murder spree in Paris and now the public at large is going to be obsessed with Syrian refugees and we can go back to just ignoring climate change, which is totally not a problem at all or one that will lead to any kind of violence.
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Joementum posted:Mike Pence also refusing refugees, probably to protect Christian pizza parlors. Joementum posted:Bobby Jindal has joined the refugee refuseniks. It'll be interesting to see if Christie hops on board too, or maybe he'll just make them live in a tent for a month. i cant wait for the debates to see all these shitheads defend this poo poo.
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Joementum posted:A real life Boris Badinov! "Ok guys, we're not going to change any of our plans regarding ISIS, but somehow things are totally going to get better. Go team!"
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Nov 16, 2015 18:09
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Maarek posted:I think it's super cool that some maniacs went on a murder spree in Paris and now the public at large is going to be obsessed with Syrian refugees and we can go back to just ignoring climate change, which is totally not a problem at all or one that will lead to any kind of violence. Of course, most of the terrorists weren't refugees, but EU citizens, but why let facts get in the way of sending people to their deaths.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:10
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gohmak posted:I'm a Bernie Bro and missed it. Did he win? My friends said he thinks global warming caused the French terrorist atacks. It certainly was not a win and his chances are rapidly dwindling at this point. Also as I just said this probably just became a Foreign Policy campaign due to the attack and that pretty much scuttles what hope he had left- he ain't beating Hillary in an election focused on terrorism. And yes he does think it is a contributing factor, which is kinda dumb because there's no real evidence to support the connection at all between GCC and ISIS and the arab spring and so on.
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Joementum posted:Mike Pence also refusing refugees, probably to protect Christian pizza parlors. "Indiana Welcome!"
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Maarek posted:I think it's super cool that some maniacs went on a murder spree in Paris and now the public at large is going to be obsessed with Syrian refugees and we can go back to just ignoring climate change, which is totally not a problem at all or one that will lead to any kind of violence. It's kind of hard to go back to ignoring climate change when the public has never paid attention to it.
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Two interesting articles today on Paris and Western response. Article in Vox that considers what ISIS's motivation might have been for Paris. quote:The challenge for governments in responding to this kind of stuff is to wait until you know exactly what your enemy is trying to provoke you to do. If we don't know why ISIS did these things, we risk making some major blunders that play into its hand. Blog post by Charles Pierce in Esquire that posits no response to ISIS will ever be enough unless we go after their source of money and support, which means going after our very good friends and allies, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and Kuwait. The links to articles cited here are very good; especially the one to the article in The Guardian.
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Trabisnikof posted:Of course, most of the terrorists weren't refugees, but EU citizens, but why let facts get in the way of sending people to their deaths. You seem to be missing the fact that your point brings about a even worse right-wing conclusion -- muslim citizens cannot be trusted now if they can be radicalized.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:15
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Baker in Massachusetts saying no to refugees too
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Nov 16, 2015 18:18
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My local mosque got a phone message from some nut saying he was going to firebomb it and shoot Muslim children along with several other Florida mosques so uhhhh I hope we're not headed for glorified pogroms here.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:18
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Other things I learned today: Oklahoma has a "state antiterrorism caucus" that says no to refugees.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:20
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Joementum posted:A real life Boris Badinov! Obama and Putin. Is Pig Fucker the other dude? No idea about the woman.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:21
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:You seem to be missing the fact that your point brings about a even worse right-wing conclusion -- muslim citizens cannot be trusted now if they can be radicalized. They didn't miss it the right has believed that for over a decade at this point.
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Swagger Dagger posted:Can the states even refuse refugees? It doesn't really matter, if they can't then the GOP gains cool points for standing up to Obama.
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tsa posted:It certainly was not a win and his chances are rapidly dwindling at this point. Also as I just said this probably just became a Foreign Policy campaign due to the attack and that pretty much scuttles what hope he had left- he ain't beating Hillary in an election focused on terrorism. Most of the post-debate coverage in the papers and even a good bit online is about her nonsensical answer about wall street rather than her foreign policy acumen, which is impressive considering the debate happened a day after French 9/11.
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Shageletic posted:Quick heads-up, since this is the New Yorker there seems to be some sources for this story (though not too many named, Nasrallah being one of the few, given an entire page of narration), but citing Hersh might not be the best of ideas. There's been a lot of sturm un drang with the guy the past few years due to alleged shaky reporting (like coming and saying that there were US special forces in Syria, etc). Just letting you know. Hersh being poo poo plus, that article is from 2007 and there has only been at least 3 regime changes and an ongoing civil war in the Middle East since then; not to mention a new administration in the White House.
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DOOP posted:Obama and Putin. Is Pig Fucker the other dude? No idea about the woman. Translators/aides probably.
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Luigi Thirty posted:uhhhh I hope we're not headed for glorified pogroms here. We've been slowly and inexorably headed that direction since 9/12/01 
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^^^^^ 3,000 US citizens couldn't cause it, but surely 130 killed in a different continent will be the tipping point for sure ^^^^^Luigi Thirty posted:My local mosque got a phone message from some nut saying he was going to firebomb it and shoot Muslim children along with several other Florida mosques so uhhhh I hope we're not headed for glorified pogroms here. I'm always mystified by these kneejerek reactions. I'm not trying to downplay a verbal threat such as that, but pogroms, seriously? I'm sure that will occur after the KKK finishes their nationwide killings of black college student protesters. BetterToRuleInHell fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Nov 16, 2015 |
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Luigi Thirty posted:Other things I learned today: Oklahoma has a "state antiterrorism caucus" that says no to refugees. Saying "Today I learned: Oklahoma is poo poo" is like saying "Today I learned: water is wet" with bigger words.
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Swagger Dagger posted:Can the states even refuse refugees? They super can't
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crazy cloud posted:We've been slowly and inexorably headed that direction since 9/12/01 15 mosques were attacked in the last 24 hours in France.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:I'm always mystified by these kneejerek reactions. I'm not trying to downplay a verbal threat such as that, but pogroms, seriously? I'm sure that will occur after the KKK finishes their nationwide killings of black college student protesters. i mean did you see where Trump thinks he can and should "shut down" mosques
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Luigi Thirty posted:I hope we're not headed for glorified pogroms here.
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Joementum posted:Bobby Jindal has joined the refugee refuseniks. It'll be interesting to see if Christie hops on board too, or maybe he'll just make them live in a tent for a month. Nah, he'll opt to put them in cages where they can't turn around.
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Doctor Butts posted:Every loving old person who lives in the United States Of America most assuredly knows what channel CBS is. It's the home of NCIS/Crime Procedural channel du jour. Anecdotal, but my elderly family member and their friends all couldn't. They mostly stick to entertainment news like Fox and CNN, though.
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Maarek posted:Most of the post-debate coverage in the papers and even a good bit online is about her nonsensical answer about wall street rather than her foreign policy acumen, which is impressive considering the debate happened a day after French 9/11. To be fair her answer was ridiculous and I'm still surprised Bernie and MOM didn't jump on it immediately.
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Shageletic posted:This whole thing is ridiculously useless, but the key difference is that what might be construed from "radical Islam" is that involves "fundamentalist" Muslims, which I suppose might refer to Salafism, the majority of whom (at least their most well-known proponents) tack to a firm non-involvment in political matters. Its a belief system. "Radical Islam" is also kinda meaningless because its in English and you could say it applies to anything. Like Obama could say that we are at war with "Radical Islam" and then praise our Wahhabi allies in Saudi Arabia or something. Its also curious that the people that we'd be concerned about pissing off with "Radical Islam" are those friendliest to the Republican party. Or is that just the Bush family?
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smg77 posted:To be fair her answer was ridiculous and I'm still surprised Bernie and MOM didn't jump on it immediately. That's because the non Hillary candidates are running mostly to pull Hillary left and aren't going to do anything to seriously damage the eventual candidate.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:^^^^^ 3,000 US citizens couldn't cause it, but surely 130 killed in a different continent will be the tipping point for sure ^^^^^ I don't mean this this, I mean "it's going to take things getting a lot worse before it gets better."
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gohmak posted:I'm a Bernie Bro and missed it. Did he win? My friends said he thinks global warming caused the French terrorist atacks. Global Warming kinda did. The entire conflict in Syria started over water.
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