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Shaocaholica posted:Isn't this kind of extremism its own enemy? The more the world sees this ugly face the less support they get until they vanish? Its not sustainable from a recruitment perspective is it? Sure you get the early adopters but after a few decades people will catch on that these groups aren't really going to deliver on their goals. A lot of their local recruitment is BASED on having this ugly face to entice Western Nations to come and bomb towns/overthrow some governments. If there was a guarantee that the West will send 100,000 ground troops if they do another attack, ISIS would stop everything else they're doing in order to entice it. More local collateral damage = more recruits.
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Moridin920 posted:We're hosed then because we've been 'fighting the drug war' by removing a cartel leader/boss/lieutenant and patting ourselves on the back while an even more brutal person takes their place for decades now and the only result is drugs are easier to get, stronger, and cheaper then ever before. Accelerated professional Darwinism. We're making the cartels faster, stronger, and aware of one more thing they shouldn't do every time we take a boss down.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:Brutal And good
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Rad Russian posted:A lot of their local recruitment is BASED on having this ugly face to entice Western Nations to come and bomb towns/overthrow some governments. If there was a guarantee that the West will send 100,000 ground troops if they do another attack, ISIS would stop everything else they're doing in order to entice it. More local collateral damage = more recruits. Yeah the cleverness of the ISIS scheme is a creates a negative control loop. Their attacks hopefully encourage a military reaction from the west, which allows them to whine even more about evil crusaders killing muslims.
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etalian posted:Yeah the cleverness of the ISIS scheme is a creates a negative control loop. Their attacks hopefully encourage a military reaction from the west, which allows them to whine even more about evil crusaders killing muslims. If this negative feedback loop has a net negative effect on Abrahamic Religions in the way of apostasy amongst their broader base then I count that as a plus.
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Maoist Pussy posted:D&D's response today is "restructure the French economy" and "Kill All Men". where's vilerat when you need him oh right
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Shaocaholica posted:Isn't this kind of extremism its own enemy? The more the world sees this ugly face the less support they get until they vanish? Its not sustainable from a recruitment perspective is it? Sure you get the early adopters but after a few decades people will catch on that these groups aren't really going to deliver on their goals. Recruitment isn't really their long term aim. They aren't about seducing people into wanting a brutal theocracy but about imposing one by force. Saudi Arabia and Brunei exist so it's naive to believe that people won't tolerate Islamic extremism. The West doesn't even give much of a poo poo as long as you're not expansionist in a way which directly affects their interests. The Middle East is going to be a clusterfuck for the remainder of my life and probably the lives of my children and grandchildren as well. Shaocaholica posted:Hopefully this shooting is a turning point for the world to realize these people don't take hostages. The media referring to the people in the theatre as "hostages" was jarring even as it was unfolding. They were never going to intentionally let anyone go. Their sole purpose was to kill as many people as possible before killing/being killed themselves. Lolie fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Nov 17, 2015 |
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poopzilla posted:where's vilerat when you need him 
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etalian posted:Yeah the cleverness of the ISIS scheme is a creates a negative control loop. Their attacks hopefully encourage a military reaction from the west, which allows them to whine even more about evil crusaders killing muslims. Well this all goes back to the fact that ISIS would not exist if Iraq and Syrian governments were left untouched by the West. They would have been rounded up and executed unceremoniously within the first few weeks of their uprising by both governments' forces and no one in the West would even know they existed.
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Moridin920 posted:At the very least we could have armed the Kurds and declared support for a new Kurd state. lmao at anyone who seriously entertains the notion of a kurdish state
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Shaocaholica posted:Isn't this kind of extremism its own enemy? The more the world sees this ugly face the less support they get until they vanish? Its not sustainable from a recruitment perspective is it? Sure you get the early adopters but after a few decades people will catch on that these groups aren't really going to deliver on their goals. I don't think so because it just creates as much extremism in Western circles, which just creates more extremism in eastern circles on and on forever.
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Rad Russian posted:Well this all goes back to the fact that ISIS would not exist if Iraq and Syrian governments were left untouched by the West. They would have been rounded up and executed unceremoniously within the first few weeks of their uprising by both governments' forces and no one in the West would even know they existed. Given the influence of Saddam loyalists within the IS, the only difference is that they'd be doing this poo poo in Saddam's name (much as they were before) rather than in the name of the IS.
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Can someone explain why everyone in the region hates the poo poo out of the Kurds but we tolerate and sometimes defend them?
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meanwhile in england https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73AT9fbHRcA
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Shaocaholica posted:If this negative feedback loop has a net negative effect on Abrahamic Religions in the way of apostasy amongst their broader base then I count that as a plus. The other important thing is even though all the anti ISIS groups have enough military power on paper they are only interested in fighting defensively or in the case of the Kurds get blocked by the West for geopolitical reasons aka don't piss off turkey. You also have other foreign powers like Saudi Arabia and UAE directly funding ISIS as a clever way to stir the pot/cause Shia megadeath.
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I Love Jesus posted:meanwhile in england https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73AT9fbHRcA that movie freakin owns!!
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Furious Mittens posted:There was a pretty thorough write up of this over in one of the D&D threads, but it ended up turning into a shitshow of epic proportions. Just tell me it's similar to which video game plot so I don't have to read more black and white text.
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Lord Binky posted:that movie freakin owns!! i like how it throws san diego in there at the end like did they run out of cities i think nyc and dc pretty much say it all about america
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poopzilla posted:round up all the weeaboos and let isis do whatever they want to them
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lmao predictably GOP governors announced they don't want any Syria civil war refugees in their states.
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etalian posted:lmao predictably GOP governors announced they don't want any Syria civil war refugees in their states. And a democrat. Maybe this isn't what you want so desperately for it to be?
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poopzilla posted:we need to leverage the two greatest evils on earth again each other. Anime and religious fanatics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5q_5VRaXcQ
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Alternative pants posted:And a democrat. Maybe this isn't what you want so desperately for it to be? well american ISIS terrorists will have to work extra hard to catch up with the school shooting done by weird white nerd bodycount.
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Lolie posted:Very long Atlantic article covers most of it. The sources are IS's own propaganda along with the fact that they're faithfully adhering to the practices of ancient Islam. So like, a death cult ran by angry bearded virgins who aren't content to merely drink kool-aid?
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Marxalot posted:So like, a death cult ran by angry bearded virgins who aren't content to merely drink kool-aid? This is what happens when religions prohibit suicide.
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etalian posted:The other important thing is even though all the anti ISIS groups have enough military power on paper they are only interested in fighting defensively or in the case of the Kurds get blocked by the West for geopolitical reasons aka don't piss off turkey. Hezbollah is my preferred anti-ISIS faction.
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