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Well, this is going to be quite the change of subject, but let me talk about the X-Men Origins: Wolverine video game for a minute. It's a ton of loving fun; it's brutal and visceral in its combat, it follows the story of the movie, but only in cutscenes and with visiting far cooler areas and doing way cooler poo poo (including a jungle where Logan and his squad did a mission umpteen years ago), and the combat is easy to get into, and rewarding, plus the Quick Kills are really cool. But there are only two or three Quick Kills for the different enemy types, and they're randomly selected when you activate them, so you can see the same one five or six times in a row. In short, I'd like more Quick Kills.
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Having played some more FO4 I think I really enjoy the player character being voiced since the VA seems to do a very good job considering the quantity of lines she has to cover, and the facial animation is good too so I like the conversations moving to third person. The problem is in the rest of the execution, where I've still been yet to find more than one way to do a quest besides not accepting it at all, and all your dialogue options are just varying ways of saying the same thing. So the way the dialogue is presented is miles ahead of anything bethesda's done in the past, but it lacks the meaning that the previous fallouts had. Your perks and stats make no difference in conversation anymore except for charisma, and even with my cruddy 3 charisma I can take some drugs and put on a horrible clown costume with a dress, cowboy hat and glasses to instantly convince everyone to agree with me. And what worries me is that these are problems too deep and distributed across the whole game to be realistically fixed with mods.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The thing dragging down Fallout 4 is that, since the response to every criticism presented in this thread is essentially "lol stop caring," I should play this game without caring about it, which is a paradigm I simply cannot comprehend. Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:But that ends up with me not expecting Fallout 4 to be a Fallout game Because sequels always have to be exactly like the thing that came before or they're bad and wrong. Cleretic posted:This was likely a very expensive design choice to make, that wasn't necessarily called for by the vocal minority of which I'm part and arguably doesn't have a place in the game they made. Meanwhile, all of the problems
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I don't think it's a vocal minority except in this thread Anyways, I have an important announcement  IT'S OKAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO NOT LIKE A GAME YOU LIKE YES, EVEN IF IT'S FOR A DUMB REASON IT'S ALSO OKAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO LIKE A GAME YOU DON'T LIKE YES, EVEN IF IT REALLY SUCKS Okay, that should solve the thread's problems. I expect you all to get along now.
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Nov 17, 2015 08:52
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Okay, that should solve the thread's problems. I expect you all to get along now. That didn't work in India when Akbar tried to mash all the religions together, it ain't going to work now. I am going to put it out there, I didn't really enjoy Pillars of Eternity. It was good and rather fun for what it was but I just could not get into it for some reason, the characters were cool but everything just felt so freaking hard to do, and long and (in the case of the big dungeon under your house) ludicrously difficult. It felt like if I made a misstep in choosing abilities I would end up utterly mullered by the next thing round the corner. I know that is more like "official" D&D stuff but it isn't exactly what I enjoyed. That and the castle was really under-developed for something that could be really really cool.
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Leavemywife posted:Well, this is going to be quite the change of subject, but let me talk about the X-Men Origins: Wolverine video game for a minute. The real thing dragging that game down is you can't buy it on any kind of digital service. Get your poo poo together marvel/activision/steam 
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I've been playing Tomb Raider for about half an hour now, and I feel like I'm still in the opening cutscene. There have been some lovely quicktime events and a little bit of tutorial, but other than that it's only let me control Lara for a few seconds at a time before swinging the camera around for a more cinematic view. When the gently caress does the actual game start?
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Back to Fallout 4 real quick: Random terminals that don't let you use them while wearing power armor for some unknown reason.
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Arrath posted:Back to Fallout 4 real quick: Not all terminals are made for your big, pudgy power armor fingers.
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Tiggum posted:I've been playing Tomb Raider for about half an hour now, and I feel like I'm still in the opening cutscene. There have been some lovely quicktime events and a little bit of tutorial, but other than that it's only let me control Lara for a few seconds at a time before swinging the camera around for a more cinematic view. When the gently caress does the actual game start? for me, when you get to the top of the radio tower. by then the game's gotten its fill of putting lara in torture porn scenarios. RPATDO_LAMD posted:I don't think it's a vocal minority except in this thread this is adorable. 
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:I don't think it's a vocal minority except in this thread
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:There's a weird trend of saying that on SA. I've seen people claim that nobody outside SA enjoys Dark Souls or New Vegas, that everyone outside SA enjoys the Star Wars prequels and hating them is just a goon meme, that only goons think pedophilia is bad (that one was good) and so on. It's very strange. My guess is that they disagree so they're trying to discredit the opinion as a  goon meme to become the right in the conversa-Lunchmeat Larry posted:that only goons think pedophilia is bad 
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:that only goons think pedophilia is bad (that one was good)  edit: I bet this was about either  or 
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Goons hate two things: Whatever is currently popular and hipsters.Lunchmeat Larry posted:that only goons think pedophilia is bad (that one was good) and so on. Who the gently caress said that?
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Arrath posted:Back to Fallout 4 real quick: If there's a chair near it your character has to sit down to use the computer. I don't know why, just stand up you rear end in a top hat! You can't sit down in power armor apparently.
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Leavemywife posted:Well, this is going to be quite the change of subject, but let me talk about the X-Men Origins: Wolverine video game for a minute. That game was kind of awkwardly made because when they started development it had nothing to do with the movie and was just a Wolverine game with Hugh Jackman's voice/likeness. They got most of the way through development when the publisher told them to add stuff to tie it in to the movie. That's why the movie stuff feels kind of shoehorned in.
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2house2fly posted:Yeah that's what's so weird to me, the opening cutscene is loads of VA with this really heavy story emphasis that cant have been cheap to make (what's the budget on getting a voice actor to record 1000 names?) and it's so terrible that I'm wondering if they were shooting for terrible as some kind of 50s B-movie pastiche that's sailed over my head. I want SuperMechaGodzilla to come in here and explain how it's an absurdist masterpiece Did you watch the announce reveal at E3(?) when the main character looked at the Nuka-Cola and said, "Hmm, Nuka-Cola" and the auditorium loving ERUPTED into cheers and hooting and hollering? They were loving PSYCHED to see cola in a Fallout game, they loved it. It's us, 2House2Fly, we're the odd ones out for not liking this. I guess you can go with the "Why do you care in a game where you shoot people?" Argument but that's like saying, "Turn your brain off" when watching a poo poo film. I shouldn't HAVE to turn my brain off and I shouldn't HAVE to not care. Luckily though I blasted my way through the lame story, killed my fake son, ate his corpse and now I can get down to the real game... Which is wandering the wastes, collecting all the skulls I can find and using them to fill up the pool at "The Slog" 
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ChogsEnhour posted:Did you watch the announce reveal at E3(?) when the main character looked at the Nuka-Cola and said, "Hmm, Nuka-Cola" and the auditorium loving ERUPTED into cheers and hooting and hollering? They were loving PSYCHED to see cola in a Fallout game, they loved it. Bethesda hype is when I most feel like I'm in some kind of bizarro-world. I like the games a lot, I'm actually going to be buying Fallout 4 soon (because like I've said, no matter how much I bitch about this they're still making a sort of game I enjoy and they're still the only people making them) but they get excited about the weirdest poo poo and very readily forgive the most blatant flaws. When the announcement trailer hit, I remember being utterly confused at what other people were seeing in it, because all I saw was 'this trailer told us nothing, the graphics don't look much better than Fallout 3, and that Vault suit looks markedly worse than the FO3 one'. And in fairness, I was wrong about one of those things: it did allude to the fact the protagonist would be voiced. I remember not really buying it at the time because it seemed unlikely, but being vaguely worried that it might happen. So maybe I am in the minority when I'm speaking against the voiced protagonist, but the people who like it still feel like a bunch of pod people to me. The minority at least doesn't only exist here; I've seen it elsewhere, with it apparently being rather prevailing among certain sites (the Nexus isn't a fan, which doesn't surprise me since a voiced player character is one of the worst things for a mod to have to grapple with). And my general point that they put the voiced protagonist above the actual problems with their game is largely based on the fact that it's still really buggy and unstable, and I'd say fixing that would definitely be higher on most people's Bethesda wishlists than a voice for the player character.
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Fallout 4 actually isn't even close to as broken as the weird, exclusively post in this and the PYF Game Developer Trolls threads echo chambering would have you think. Oh no that NPC is floating, way to gently caress up everything forever Bethesda.
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The female voice in Fallout 4 is much better than the male voice. The voice acting for a character "The Father" , is pretty drat bad. You can tell when he switches to a new line the voice inflection and tone changes radically. He will be super somber for two lines and then the next two lines he will sound bored, then the two after that he's explaining something at a different volume level. It was really noticeable that they had to record his lines at different times and splice them together for the dialogue tree.
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I think the worse case of that was the Magic Dad side mission. That's not a spoiler, but you'll know what I mean when you play it, the rest of this? It's totally a spoiler. So Magic Dad's kid is telling me about how his Da' found this ancient civilization 400 years ago and he found all this technology and everything... But every dialogue option is basically him repeating the same exact thing but in a slightly different way. "400 years ago my Father discovered ruins in the Middle East." Tell me more. He was on an archaeological dig in the middle east 400 years ago when he..." Yeah, you said. I want more info. Specifics! Details! "He found advanced technology. In a dig. In the middle east!" That's about the point when I realised I'd have to eat the fucker at some point. But the point stands it was just the same lines with varying inflections and not much else. I failed the speech check for one thing, but I can't image that one fail would have unlocked anything of value.
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My Fallout 4 gripe is that it's $80 and prices for AAA releases keep going up for no reason. It's not like they're making a jump from isometric to first person and suddenly have more programmers and artists to pay.
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Der Luftwaffle posted:My Fallout 4 gripe is that it's $80 and prices for AAA releases keep going up for no reason. It's not like they're making a jump from isometric to first person and suddenly have more programmers and artists to pay. Are you in Canada bro cause our dollar is poo poo atm.
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Playstation 4 posted:Are you in Canada bro cause our dollar is poo poo atm. Yeah it makes sense. Still feels bizarre that my escape from the real world is just another harsh reminder of living in it.
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Maybe it's where you live? Jesus, I remember paying 80* quid for Turok for the N64. 40 sheets for Fallout 4 seems like a bargain and I'm sure I remember paying about 60-odd for X-Box 360 games? * $122 ** $60 *** $90 edit: Beaten.
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Nov 17, 2015 18:31
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In America game prices haven't moved since the shift to $60.
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People pay 60 quid for a night out on the beer or 20 quid on a takeaway that last an evening but a game they will spend tens of hours on his extortionate at 60.
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Nov 17, 2015 18:47
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GMG had 20% off the PC version at release. It came out to about $63, so what I used to pay.
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Der Luftwaffle posted:Yeah it makes sense. Still feels bizarre that my escape from the real world is just another harsh reminder of living in it. I bought Fallout 4 with a discount code just to bring it back down to $60. 
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EmmyOk posted:People pay 60 quid for a night out on the beer or 20 quid on a takeaway that last an evening but a game they will spend tens of hours on his extortionate at 60.
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:This post belongs on a deeply unpopular advice animal If I said I didn't like those things. I like going on the beer and chinese takeaway and also manage not to about video game prices.
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quote:the graphics don't look much better than Fallout 3 When is the last time you loaded up Fallout 3?
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:There's a weird trend of saying that on SA. I've seen people claim that nobody outside SA enjoys Dark Souls or New Vegas, that everyone outside SA enjoys the Star Wars prequels and hating them is just a goon meme, that only goons think pedophilia is bad (that one was good) and so on. It's very strange. 1. Take your opinion, no matter how arbitrary. 2. Put it in the mouths of strawman "normal people" and its antithesis in the mouth of a straw nerd. Bonus points if this opposing viewpoint is itself a strawman of a more nuanced position held by your actual opponents. 3.  Oldest trick in the book.
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muscles like this? posted:In America game prices haven't moved since the shift to $60. Most places outside of america are paying equal to $80 bucks or more.
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Woolie Wool posted:1. Take your opinion, no matter how arbitrary. Like, say, equate pointing out that New Vegas wasn't nearly as successful as people here pretend it was with defending pedophilia.
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A but late but while Steam offers quite the reprieve, and as such I haven't looked at retail AAA prices in a while, last time I checked Australians still paid literally one hundred dollars for video games, and this is before our dollar went to poo poo. E: VVV I don't know but blaming the loving OFLC™ sure sounds good to me! 
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Isn't that mostly due to a ridiculous level of bullshit Australians have to deal with in terms of censorship?
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Ramos posted:Isn't that mostly due to a ridiculous level of bullshit Australians have to deal with in terms of censorship? Also the shipping of physical media. And the fact that physical and digital have the same price for all the reasons
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RBA Starblade posted:When is the last time you loaded up Fallout 3? Yeah looks a lot better to me One change I don't like is how your weapon just disappears when you holster it. In earlier games it would end up slung over your back or at your hip and while the animations were awkward I preferred it that way.
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Sleeveless posted:Like, say, equate pointing out that New Vegas wasn't nearly as successful as people here pretend it was with defending pedophilia.
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