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Robert Denby posted:AV Club has fully descended into clickbait territory with its column on how YOU GUYS TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD THE STAR WARS PREQUELS THEY ARE MASTERPIECES OF CINEMA (not linking because you can find it on your own). They make the claim that anyone who doesn’t like the prequels are just parroting Red Letter Media and are stupid doo-doo heads. It's actually not that horrible an article. It's super wrong and shows a complete misunderstanding both of the Red Letter Media critique and general fan response, but it's not some clicbait article. The author experienced the movies as a child and is trying to communicate why they like them. There are some good points brought up, but the rebuttals of some of the more popular critiques shows a refusal to accept that sometimes we like things that, objectively and to others, are total poo poo. Also there is an insistence that seems to run through the article that movies don't change and that if you notice the difference in cinematic language and flow between a series from the 70s/80s and one from the 90s/00s the fault lies with you. Despite happening long, long, ago in a galaxy far, far away there are speech, mannerism, costuming, and casting details that inform your perception, subconsciously excusing certain "archaic" aspects of cinema that allow them to work for the Original series but stick out in the prequels. Also, walking and talking in a blue room really is a bad thing that drags down the film even if everything else was on point. You've got to have some really good dialogue delivered with superb acting to overcome that. My favorite movie is the 1924 Thief of Baghdad. There's still a lot to love about it and I do still have the nostalgia factor when I see it. However there are also a lot of issues that arise from not only the casual racism of the time but also the difference in the way the movie tells it's story compared to a movie of today. Disregarding or misconstruing critiques of the movie doesn't actually make the movie better. Focusing a large part of a hypothetical article in defense of those critiques instead of the good things, the things that outweigh the bad in my opinion does a disservice to my hypothetical thesis: You should give this a second chance because I think you're overlooking something.
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Now that we're back to our PYF spoon watch roots it's worth pointing out that Patreon is a garbage platform implemented by morons that relies on user goodwill. It's super easy to be a top tier patron and unsubscribe just before you actually have to pay anything while still getting all the perks. I guarantee Spoons is not making his current patreon amount.
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Gyges posted:It's actually not that horrible an article. It's super wrong and shows a complete misunderstanding both of the Red Letter Media critique and general fan response, but it's not some clicbait article. The author experienced the movies as a child and is trying to communicate why they like them. There are some good points brought up, but the rebuttals of some of the more popular critiques shows a refusal to accept that sometimes we like things that, objectively and to others, are total poo poo. Shut up, we're supposed to be supporting our lord and savior unconditionally. He will save us through his "Got an A in AP English" level analysis and his sub-Adam Sandler fake voice.
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Deport The Irish posted:Now that we're back to our PYF spoon watch roots it's worth pointing out that Patreon is a garbage platform implemented by morons that relies on user goodwill. It's super easy to be a top tier patron and unsubscribe just before you actually have to pay anything while still getting all the perks. Yeah, that pisses me off. Mainly because it'd be so easy to code against. 1) Everyone gets their "good will" subscribe. I pledge $2, I get access to the early episodes. Fair enough. 2) I cancel a pledge. Dick move. 3) I then pledge again to the same creator. I pledge $2. But now there's a "cool down" period. I don't get the reward until at least 1 month / episode of pledges has actually cleared my account. Then just multiple the above. If you cancel / sub more than once, you lose access to ALL rewards across ALL creators until some checks clear. That way you don't get serial assholes subbing and cancelling. They can also get around multiple accounts if they demand a small payment upfront. "Sign up for an account. Add your credit card / paypal. Add $10 in escrow that can be applied to creators (instantly, not waiting for pay period)." It's a small barrier to sign ups, but it means the people who do sign up will actually pay. ... Also, they suck for not offering a one-off payment for rewards. "Want to request an episode for review. One time payment of $250. It's yours".
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Shut up, we're supposed to be supporting our lord and savior unconditionally. This but unironically
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Nov 17, 2015 05:00
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Max Wilco posted:Didn't Patreon revise their subscription process recently? They did various unspecified things after being hacked but nothing actually dealing with patron trolls.
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Augus posted:This but unironically
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Nov 17, 2015 06:02
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I think I am old and unhip because it never even occurred to me to scum it for Paetron perks. I just send small amounts of money to producers that I like. 
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Max Wilco posted:I don't think depression is something you can recommend. 
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Max Wilco posted:Didn't Patreon revise their subscription process recently? I don't know about subscription processes, but it's true that Patreon recently revised their users' pages to give a more accurate representation of their income. Before it displayed all the money pledged to the creator. Now it only shows the money they make after repeated declined pledges, credit card charges and Patreon overhead. For example, my Patrons are pledging about $1500 per video I make. That used to be the number displayed on my front page. Now it more accurately reflects what I currently make, which is about $1350 per video.
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I just wish Noah would say "Eh I'm done with reviews. I'm gonna be the next DSP and just get mad at games because I'm terrible." Christ. I'm sympathetic to metal health issues and not to sound like a dick is he using it as a crutch do absolutely nothing? He'll stream a game for literally eight hours straight and tweet 100 times in a day while still saying he works 80 hour weeks.
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Spoony has not made a new video in over a month. Anybody knows what is up with that? Did he make any excuses or does simply not care?Tracula posted:
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Tarquinn posted:Spoony has not made a new video in over a month. Anybody knows what is up with that? Did he make any excuses or does simply not care? It's actually closer to a year since his last proper review but uh. Thanks for taking my post out of context? He makes plenty of videos of himself streaming a game eight hours straight which was my point and going back to his thing a while back he said he'd get off Twitter, buckle down and actually produce more real reviews.
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Nov 17, 2015 13:14
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Mischalaniouse posted:Boy, this thread is unpleasant of late. I will freely admit I saw this in theaters with my friend. It was genuinely fascinating because everyone else except the two of us were into it. I know I gave him money but man. Seeing a propaganda film with the target audience is such an experience.
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Gyges posted:It's actually not that horrible an article. It's super wrong and shows a complete misunderstanding both of the Red Letter Media critique and general fan response, but it's not some clicbait article. The author experienced the movies as a child and is trying to communicate why they like them. There are some good points brought up, but the rebuttals of some of the more popular critiques shows a refusal to accept that sometimes we like things that, objectively and to others, are total poo poo. After reading that, I have to wonder if the author understands that people thought the prequels were bad before Red Letter Media. All they did was teach some filmmaking vocabulary to people on the internet.
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"Tracula" posted:but uh. Thanks for taking my post out of context? 
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Jack Gladney posted:After reading that, I have to wonder if the author understands that people thought the prequels were bad before Red Letter Media. All they did was teach some filmmaking vocabulary to people on the internet. How is everyone in this thread so bad at reading comprehension?
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Gyges posted:It's actually not that horrible an article. It's super wrong and shows a complete misunderstanding both of the Red Letter Media critique and general fan response, but it's not some clicbait article. The author experienced the movies as a child and is trying to communicate why they like them. There are some good points brought up, but the rebuttals of some of the more popular critiques shows a refusal to accept that sometimes we like things that, objectively and to others, are total poo poo. Holey moley! Another person whose favorite movie is the Thief of Bagdad! What's up Bagdad buddy! It's worth pointing out that while there is some casual racism, sure, there is a surprisingly progressive portrayal of Islam as a legitimate religion.
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Tracula posted:It's actually closer to a year since his last proper review but uh. Thanks for taking my post out of context? He makes plenty of videos of himself streaming a game eight hours straight which was my point and going back to his thing a while back he said he'd get off Twitter, buckle down and actually produce more real reviews. Lol dude, re-read your post
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Mischalaniouse posted:Boy, this thread is unpleasant of late.  Let's watch something fun. root posted:I'm not sure if this falls under the umbrella of "internet critics"* but I thought I'd share one of my favorite groups o'guys because they've brought me quite a few laughs.
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Beer and Board games is good and that show where they watch movies in their basement is good and those guys are pretty good I like them a lot. The Vosgian Beast posted:I mean, how do you diss the Plinkett Reviews The Vosgian Beast posted:Shut up, we're supposed to be supporting our lord and savior unconditionally. Did Mister Plinkett gently caress your cat or something
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Beer and Board games is good and that show where they watch movies in their basement is good and those guys are pretty good I like them a lot. I may be drunk, miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be BottledBodhisvata.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I may be drunk, miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be BottledBodhisvata.
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BottledBodhisvata is at least open about being a rear end in a top hat, TVB is just a douche ho think he is acting smart.
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In discussion about internet critics, I just want to watch more Rich with a reduced level of Jack. Also I like Spoony's streams a good bit half the time, but I do wish they weren't so here and there on timing. Though I'm one of those people who likes to listen to him yak about wrestling for a few hours at a time, so really just as long as that continues I'm alright.
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CountFosco posted:Holey moley! Another person whose favorite movie is the Thief of Bagdad! What's up Bagdad buddy! I think it's largely due to Islam largely being seen as some exotic, eastern mysticism at the time. The Imam framing the story is pretty awesome though. Also the greatest dragon that 1920s special effects could imagine. I wonder if most viewers had never seen an iguana before, making it a totally believable dino-dragon.
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Cinema Snob takes a look at Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVevUS2j3Fo JOY!
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BigRed0427 posted:Cinema Snob takes a look at Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVevUS2j3Fo JOY! Same page 
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PassTheRemote posted:Same page God dammit... 
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I would say that this thread is starting to consume itself, but it's always consuming itself.
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Tracula posted:I just wish Noah would say "Eh I'm done with reviews. I'm gonna be the next DSP and just get mad at games because I'm terrible." I don't think he's using it as a crutch, so much as it's the reason he does absolutely nothing. Speaking from experience, once you've fallen into the pit of depression and no motivation, it is horrifyingly difficult to drag yourself out again. It's super frustrating, too, because you know you SHOULD be able to just shape up and go back to being a functional member of society, but for some invisible reason you just loving can't, and you can't explain why. Though admittedly he should take an honest look at his current capabilities and just admit that he's not going to be able to pull off any effort videos any time soon. It'd be better for him and his fans alike. Maybe the dude can just switch to being the best get-mad-at-games guy he can be and enjoy that work.
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Ah made a fing about a Jared Leto moovee. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2dOuLR-BkI
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KKall posted:Ah made a fing about a Jared Leto moovee. I haven't ever heard someone pronounce Jared "Leedo" like that before. Also, WHAT. Augus fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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KKall posted:Ah made a fing about a Jared Leto moovee. I watched the review yesterday. Loved it although I will admit my brain started to short circuit when it came to the existentialism explanation. 
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Yeah, I was on board for most of it but then the philosophy happened and I don't think it was explained poorly, but I still ended up giving up and tuning out until we were done. Of course, I'm awful at philosophy in general. I am bad at that level of abstraction!
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I liked that movie a lot more until your video taught me how derrivitive it is.  I can deal with homage but that's pretty rediculous. Also Rick and Morty really did do the same concept much better.
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