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Fried Chicken posted:Not just them, pretty much every blog that was active in that period except Atridos as well. There is a real hunger for a war, no matter what or why, from the same corner that really should know better. David Roberts at Vox said it well: despite the fact that we've been fighting daesh for months already it doesn't "feel" like a real war unless we do the requisite amount of flag-waving and chest-beating. https://storify.com/quizeye/us-foreign-policy RuanGacho posted:I feel like the most productive thing to do right now is to get people to stop watching cable news. I've stays away from cable news for years now and it's really amazing how much of a difference that makes on your intellectual palate and blood pressure. It's like quitting soda; you think nothing of drinking multiple cans of it beforehand, but if you have a sip after abstaining for a long time it's way more disgusting than you ever imagined. Riosan posted:What the gently caress is this? No, I get it, it's Trump pandering as usual, but what the gently caress. The stuff coming out of Trump's mouth is perfectly acceptable from some dickhead in a bar talking your ear off while you pretend to listen but horrifying and unacceptable from a presidential candidate. Sadly too many people can't separate the two.
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radical meme posted:Charles Pierce at Esquire, a journalist whose opinion I respect, has a more nuanced take on the concerns of Charlie Baker. That doesn't clear anything up. If their "concerns" aren't based on racism, then what are they based on? Because they have nothing to fear from these people.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Trump has a plan! So Trump's answer to everything is "build a wall"?
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Phone posted:So Trump's answer to everything is "build a wall"? A yooge, luxurious wall!
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Alter Ego posted:That doesn't clear anything up. If their "concerns" aren't based on racism, then what are they based on? Because they have nothing to fear from these people. I don't think you get to tell people what they fear, because fear often is not logical... For instance, it isn't logical that I would be so afraid of spiders that webs creep me the gently caress out and I have to kill them from distance. That said, here we are.
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Politico reporting Hillary has flipped on the FAMILY act (Gillibrand's paid family leave bill) because it raises taxes to pay for it. Also hitting Bernie in most of his proposals on the same grounds. 2016 will be a turnout election, which means getting the base amped, not playing to the center. They must be starting to believe that the GOP is so hosed right now that they can offer weak mush despite their pull with youth and minority vote being as soft as it is.
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Alter Ego posted:That doesn't clear anything up. If their "concerns" aren't based on racism, then what are they based on? Because they have nothing to fear from these people. Well, the Boston bombing is probably figuring into Baker's concerns. I agree with what your saying but, I don't think Democrats are going to be able to just dismiss these concerns. There needs to be a more positive response than just, "there is nothing to fear here, move along".
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Alter Ego posted:That doesn't clear anything up. If their "concerns" aren't based on racism, then what are they based on? Because they have nothing to fear from these people. Yeah, how is this piece "nuanced"? It's literally just "these people aren't bigots because I say so," when it should be immediately obvious that you don't have to be a bigot to engage in bigoted, opportunistic behavior because, say, you want to jump on a popular Republican bandwagon that makes it look as though you're being Tough on Terrorism. Even smart, highly respected people will readily do truly horrible things because they think they're in their personal best interest. EDIT: ^^^ This is still a clear messaging coup, and the government and refugee advocacy/resettlement should have immediately begun running interference and explaining their screening procedures as clearly as humanly possible. Many of which are already on it, to be clear.
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Fried Chicken posted:Politico reporting Hillary has flipped on the FAMILY act (Gillibrand's paid family leave bill) because it raises taxes to pay for it. Also hitting Bernie in most of his proposals on the same grounds. It's an indication that Hillary's team believe that they have the primary in hand and can concentrate on broader appeal for the general.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Yeah, how is this piece "nuanced"? It's literally just "these people aren't bigots because I say so," when it should be immediately obvious that you don't have to be a bigot to engage in bigoted, opportunistic behavior because, say, you want to jump on a popular Republican bandwagon that makes it look as though you're being Tough on Terrorism. Even smart, highly respected people will readily do truly horrible things because they think they're in their personal best interest. If the Democrats response to these Governors is going to be, "you fuckers are racists and bigots and you're stupid too", then be prepared for to get hosed by this issue for months to come. Hillary and Bernie and Obama need to have more in their responses than just, "you people are stupid bigots".
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Fried Chicken posted:Politico reporting Hillary has flipped on the FAMILY act (Gillibrand's paid family leave bill) because it raises taxes to pay for it. Also hitting Bernie in most of his proposals on the same grounds. Is there even a center anymore?
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radical meme posted:If the Democrats response to these Governors is going to be, "you fuckers are racists and bigots and you're stupid too", then be prepared for to get hosed by this issue for months to come. Hillary and Bernie and Obama need to have more in their responses than just, "you people are stupid bigots". Good thing that's what they're already doing. And of course no serious politician is going to just call any other politician up and just say "stop being a bigot".
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zoux posted:Is there even a center anymore? "Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,"
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radical meme posted:If the Democrats response to these Governors is going to be, "you fuckers are racists and bigots and you're stupid too", then be prepared for to get hosed by this issue for months to come. Hillary and Bernie and Obama need to have more in their responses than just, "you people are stupid bigots". Their responses should be more politic than that, but why should they have more than that?
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Good thing that's what they're already doing. And this leads to the problem with a lot of Democrat positions; trying to explain a complicated solution to a Right Wing sound bite.
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zoux posted:Is there even a center anymore? The Democratic party as a whole is center-right.
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Akumu posted:Their responses should be more politic than that, but why should they have more than that? Because a lot of Democratic voters are just as concerned about the possibility of terrorists in their own backyard.
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Radish posted:If Hillary loses I wonder who the scapegoat will be. It'll be the same thing like when they lost in 2000 and 2004. "It's all those loving leftists fault for not turning out and voting for someone who didn't have any positions they supported."
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Instead of going negative and calling them out for being the bigots they are, the Dems should go positive and appeal to the Republican sense of human decency and empathy... 
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radical meme posted:Because a lot of Democratic voters are just as concerned about the possibility of terrorists in their own backyard. Our leaders should lead, not pander. Treating xenophobic and racist fears as legitimate only does a disservice to our nation.
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radical meme posted:And this leads to the problem with a lot of Democrat positions; trying to explain a complicated solution to a Right Wing sound bite. Yep.  ^^ I don't think they're pandering as much as "Hey, here are the facts about our screening process, are you really sure you know what you're doing here? Yes? OK then.  "
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Akumu posted:Our leaders should lead, not pander. Treating xenophobic and racist fears as legitimate only does a disservice to our nation. pretend I actually knew how to post that ever increasing ironicat gif here and did it
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Zeroisanumber posted:It's an indication that Hillary's team believe that they have the primary in hand and can concentrate on broader appeal for the general.  Flipping on paid family leave is not going to win her votes; because it's something that both left AND middle can get behind.
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KomradeX posted:It'll be the same thing like when they lost in 2000 and 2004. "It's all those loving leftists fault for not turning out and voting for someone who didn't have any positions they supported." No, it won't, because President Trump will kill us all in a torrent of yooge nuclear fire.
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The fact that she's trying to move towards the center, and over something like this, before the primaries are even over is not making me feel very good about her.Alter Ego posted:No, it won't, because President Trump will kill us all in a torrent of yooge nuclear fire. The President we deserve.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:David Roberts at Vox said it well: despite the fact that we've been fighting daesh for months already it doesn't "feel" like a real war unless we do the requisite amount of flag-waving and chest-beating. It seems as if Obama isn't good at flag-waving and chest-beating. Perhaps its time for someone in office who is. There are actionable steps Obama can take to chest-beat and flag-wave, such as: - Launching visible operations that will capture the media cycle in their loudness - Ramping up to a declaration of war against ISIL, ala 2003 - Taking action to clarify his Syrian refuge policy in light of public opinion
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She hasn't flipped, she says she has "another solution" funded by general revenue instead of a (0.2%) payroll tax but hasn't given any details.
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To be a fly on the wall of the meeting where they decided "yes, now is the time to announce we're against paid family leave, Americans will just eat up our low tax stance!" Talk about admitting defeat before the battle's even begun. EDIT: ^^ Welp, never mind. Abandoning it altogether to tackle the general just sounded all too plausible.
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So back in February, Obama asked for congress to declare war and congress refused because his plan was too limited. So, what is stopping congress from working on another plan that authorizes more force and putting that through?
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My Imaginary GF posted:It seems as if Obama isn't good at flag-waving and chest-beating. Perhaps its time for someone in office who is. #2 was entirely the fault of the GOP and AUMF.
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Akumu posted:Our leaders should lead, not pander. Treating xenophobic and racist fears as legitimate only does a disservice to our nation.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:To be a fly on the wall of the meeting where they decided "yes, now is the time to announce we're against paid family leave, American's will just eat up our low tax stance!" It sounded like Hillary--that's why it sounded plausible. The Democratic field this time out scares the everloving poo poo out of me. O'Malley's in the weeds, Bernie is 900 years old, and Hillary is...Hillary. Those are our choices?
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Doctor Butts posted:So back in February, Obama asked for congress to declare war and congress refused because his plan was too limited. Doing anything that even approaches cooperation with Obama is unacceptable.
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Doctor Butts posted:So back in February, Obama asked for congress to declare war and congress refused because his plan was too limited. Congress doesn't care about making things happen, they just want Obama's plans to not happen.
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Just tax everyone at 99% except the rich and complete the dark enlightenment. *mashes on peddle furiously trying to accelerate instead is a boot mashing on humanity forever*
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