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zoux posted:Kind of the problem of the modern model of the highly decentralized and distributed activist organization is that it's harder to disavow fringe elements expressing opinions. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of the MU protesters were horrified by the France attacks but the ten people that posted hashtag gently caress france are the ones that get all the ink. Obviously the no journalists thing was just a small group of protesters that probably didn't represent anyone else's opinion, but since there is no leadership structure to disavow it, people are free to frame the issue around that small group. And a lot of people who otherwise were sympathetic to the protests were majorly turned off by the journalist thing. PupsOfWar posted:hmm why do your friends, the least-racist quintile of white people, sound like they agree with kentucky rednecks on a lot of things w/r/t race
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PupsOfWar posted:hmm why do your friends, the least-racist quintile of white people, sound like they agree with kentucky rednecks on a lot of things w/r/t race pretty sure it's just that white people are fantastically racist so that even the bottom 20% is still really racist
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The Warszawa posted:these are the two i have questions about because the first one just seems like a less facially absurd "but there are kids dying in darfur" argument but maybe i am missing something i watched a very good doc on kareem this weekend and when he decided to become a public activist for black civil rights, a lot of the backlash he got was "you make poo poo tons of money, what are you bitching about". there's a difference between macro privilege and micro privilege. while it's indisputable that on the whole white people are vastly more advantaged by society than minorities, a black kid that grew up more or less middle class who goes to an ivy league isn't going to be able to effectively communicate the message of white privilege to a poor white dude working two jobs and struggling bad
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The Warszawa posted:these are the two i have questions about because the first one just seems like a less facially absurd "but there are kids dying in darfur" argument but maybe i am missing something -There was a political correctness "CRAZE" in the mid 90s across campuses that looked a bit like this. Basically what the movie PCU was about, which I don't bring up as a teachable lesson or anything just that it was "in the air" enough for somebody to make a movie about it.
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:it is my sincere belief that the people most talkative about yale and mizzou stuff are white folk almost every nonwhite person i know who has posted about it has been supportive of course, there's still some rotten (rich chinese) apples as we talked about on sunday
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UberJew posted:pretty sure it's just that white people are fantastically racist so that even the bottom 20% is still really racist I'm not sure I'd call racism fantastic. So who's the real racist?
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:it is my sincere belief that the people most talkative about yale and mizzou stuff are white folk so?
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pangstrom posted:I DID NOT SEE THIS RESPONSE COMING WHOA "they done made us give 'em the vote and have a negrah president, what more do they want?!?"
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Gravel Gravy posted:I'm not sure I'd call racism fantastic. statistically probably you
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PupsOfWar posted:"they done made us give 'em the vote and have a negrah president, what more do they want?!?"
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Berke Negri posted:statistically probably you 
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anyhoo so I've heard fallout 4 has secks but does it have gay secks?
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PupsOfWar posted:anyhoo so I've heard fallout 4 has secks i believe so
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PupsOfWar posted:"they done made us give 'em the vote and have a negrah president, what more do they want?!?" There was a survey in MS a few years back that said black people had "enough" rights and should stop protesting now
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PupsOfWar posted:anyhoo so I've heard fallout 4 has secks It's Problematic: Bethesda decided the best approach is every companion you can romance is bisexual
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zoux posted:do companions use up your ammo or do they have their own supply their default weapons are unlimited ammo and any weapon you give them will need to have ammo supplied to or they switch to their default I try to have everyone using their own type of ammo to kind of spread things around
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Luigi Thirty posted:It's Problematic: Bethesda decided the best approach is every companion you can romance is bisexual Post-apocalypse you kinda take what you can get so this makes sense I guess.
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Berke Negri posted:their default weapons are unlimited ammo and any weapon you give them will need to have ammo supplied to or they switch to their default are their defaults any good
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zoux posted:i watched a very good doc on kareem this weekend and when he decided to become a public activist for black civil rights, a lot of the backlash he got was "you make poo poo tons of money, what are you bitching about". there's a difference between macro privilege and micro privilege. while it's indisputable that on the whole white people are vastly more advantaged by society than minorities, a black kid that grew up more or less middle class who goes to an ivy league isn't going to be able to effectively communicate the message of white privilege to a poor white dude working two jobs and struggling bad yeah but the people publicly scolding the yale kids aren't poor white dudes struggling they're people writing commentary and like pangstrom's academic friends i get the communication gap issue but the criticism was bullshit with Kareem and it's bullshit now like the second you get the clout to be listened to, that clout invalidates your position to speak that's probably the design tbh pangstrom posted:-First one I don't know what else to say, basically akin to saying "first world problems" I guess hm ok
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Luigi Thirty posted:It's Problematic: Bethesda decided the best approach is every companion you can romance is bisexual hmm dadchat did not exist during Dragon Age 2 how do folks feel about this approach
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V. Illych L. posted:call me naïve, but i did not believe a basic belief in due process and the rule of law were fringe positions in any western democracy in 2015 And yet Here we are
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zoux posted:so? like, it's not bad to comment on it or anything and y'all make good points, but it's weird how much white people i know care about this compared to my non-white friends, supportive or otherwise
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Luigi Thirty posted:It's Problematic: Bethesda decided the best approach is every companion you can romance is bisexual but thats not a real thing!
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The Warszawa posted:these are the two i have questions about because the first one just seems like a less facially absurd "but there are kids dying in darfur" argument but maybe i am missing something There is nothing absurd about the position "Yale kids can get hosed everywhere and at all times"
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:like, it's not bad to comment on it or anything and y'all make good points, but it's weird how much white people i know care about this compared to my non-white friends, supportive or otherwise because in the story of racism, white people are the villains, and no one wants to be a villain
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PupsOfWar posted:hmm dadchat did not exist during Dragon Age 2 we just went over this recently re swtor but at the time I think it's fine to let players choose while badge think its lame
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Maoist Pussy posted:There is nothing absurd about the position "Yale kids can get hosed everywhere and at all times" well if it isn't aaron burr, sir!
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pangstrom posted:Keep it coming oh yeah! look that just seemed like a lame disclaimer/qualifier, man
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Berke Negri posted:we just went over this recently re swtor but at the time I think it's fine to let players choose while badge think its lame people are going to get upset no matter what. people are supermad that Bobby Iceman Drake is gay now not because of political correctness gone mad but because of bi erasure.
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zoux posted:people are going to get upset no matter what. people are supermad that Bobby Iceman Drake is gay now not because of political correctness gone mad but because of bi erasure. that's progress
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PupsOfWar posted:hmm dadchat did not exist during Dragon Age 2 it's problematic unironically
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in dragon age: inquisition I thought the convo where cassandra let my turbogay lady wizard down easy was pretty good convo where cullen let my turbogay rogue dude down easy was less of a production
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UberJew posted:i'm not sure if there is a way a video game that treats relationships as an achievement to be gained with relationship points could avoid being problematic about it eh i dunno fallout 4 does the interpersonal stuff pretty well in convos with companions, saying that as someone who probably isn't going to ever do a romance
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Badger of Basra posted:it's problematic its more to let players pick and choose who they want to be RP romancing with than a statement on the nature of irl human sexuality
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"We cannot date eachother, robot insect man, because Bi people don't exist."
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pangstrom posted:Keep it coming oh yeah! I think you're getting guff because of the "but by any measure in the least-racist quintile for white people" statement isn't really sound unless you have a pretty good source for it there are many types of racism that different groups adopt; maybe poor folks are more susceptible to a violent, militant isolationist racism while some rich folks are susceptible to racist classical liberal ideas of benevolent assimilation. they're both harmful racist concepts, and stick around because most of western philosophy which we've built our modern sociopolitical practices upon came from thinkers who also often held a staunchly western, white judeo-christian identity. so some measures might say "yeah this group is less susceptible to holding beliefs of Racism type 1" but I don't know if it'd work across the board to categorically for all types of racist beliefs, because racist isolationism and racist interventionism directly clash with each other Rodatose fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Nov 17, 2015 |
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