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Zaggitz posted:All I can think of is how we haven't even reached Sioux Falls yet. Isn't The Pearl, I think it's called--the hotel--in Sioux Falls? Totally serious question. e: I've been assuming it's the hotel Lou alludes to in the first season. Again, though, I'm liable to misremember and make that sort of mistake.
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Toplowtech posted:Of course, the crazy conspiration theorist guy is the only laywer in town. I like that, too. Not only is the one lawyer a conspiracy nut, but he's the only lawyer locally, which sets up some fun hypothetical scenarios.
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The Karl barricade I mean.
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Terra-da-loo! posted:Isn't The Pearl, I think it's called--the hotel--in Sioux Falls? Totally serious question. Hm I don't remember about that, but I do know the seminar Peggy is itching to go to is in Sioux Falls.
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Zaggitz posted:Hm I don't remember about that, but I do know the seminar Peggy is itching to go to is in Sioux Falls. Yeah, and when you add all that together, I can easily see the making of the blood-soaked memories of Lou's that prompted this season's narrative. Frostwerks posted:The Karl barricade I mean. Not only was it some great writing, that scene, but also a fantastic performance. I hadn't personally seen that sort of range from Offerman before, and it was refreshing. He did a good job selling the whole "man armed with words alone with a gun in his face" situation. Someone else beat me to the comparison, but it was very Saul Goodman-esque in more ways than just the situation of legal savvy vs. violent criminal intent. It was also a respected comedian doing a great job selling a dramatic role. e: I also loved that it was Ed trying to use TV knowledge to save his hide that put that part of the plot into motion and ultimately saved the precinct from Bear's assault.
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Frostwerks posted:The Karl barricade I mean. When Lou comes back and the door opens the opposite direction to the barricade anyway 
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That was great, the only thing that slightly irritated me was Dodd both shooting his own guy and dropping his cattle prod to keep Peggy alive and get the show to Sioux Falls. Speaking of, her confession to Ted Danson was fantastic. She was building herself a coccoon of future possibilities while trapped in a museum of Ed's past, then she ran Rye over and saw a chance to unlock those possibilities. Just trying to be the best Peggy she can be.
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ruddiger posted:What was Milligan quoting as they were heading out to wreck poo poo? I didn't recognize it. This is hosed up
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Bokeem Woodbine reciting Jabberwocky is one of those things I never knew I needed in my life until it was happening. The second he said "'Twas brillig..." I turned into that Vince McMahon gif.
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Illinois Smith posted:That was great, the only thing that slightly irritated me was Dodd both shooting his own guy and dropping his cattle prod to keep Peggy alive and get the show to Sioux Falls. I don't think it's out of character. Dodd pretends to be a lot more competent than he is. It's why the mother doesn't want him taking over the business.
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What a ridiculously good episode, Jesus Christ this show is good. I knew it was going to be a big episode with last week's ending, but I had no idea it was going to be this good.
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Illinois Smith posted:That was great, the only thing that slightly irritated me was Dodd both shooting his own guy and dropping his cattle prod to keep Peggy alive and get the show to Sioux Falls. I don't care if I'm the only person in this thread who wants it, but I want Peggy to have a happy ending. I have no idea why. I just want her to make it to California and chill on the beach. I want the final shot of the season to be her sipping a drink out a coconut as she reads a magazine.
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Jerusalem posted:When Lou comes back and the door opens the opposite direction to the barricade anyway thank you ted, that was the joke.
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I was thrown off by the Jabberwocky reading too (not in a bad way, but like Terra-da-loo said, puzzled by the significance of its inclusion.) I'd like to posit that, in addition to whatever the initial purpose was, it was meant to mirror Karl Weather's tangled prose in some way. He's on a mission too but he might as well be spouting gibberish. Also I don't think Dodd shot his own guy to keep him quiet, he was just startled by the loud noise and accidentally shot his own guy.
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Mouse Dresser posted:I don't care if I'm the only person in this thread who wants it, but I want Peggy to have a happy ending. I have no idea why. I just want her to make it to California and chill on the beach. I want the final shot of the season to be her sipping a drink out a coconut as she reads a magazine.
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Yeah, Dodd just panicked when he shot Goon #2. Peggy dropped a sink on the one who kept whimpering. Kirsten Dunst killed it this week. I loved how ratty Peggy got while evading Hank, I think she was better than Lester's comparable scenes last season.
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I just want all the Gerhardts to be wiped out. I hate that archetype of the supposedly "sympathetic" gangster family, who does a bunch of murderous gangster rear end poo poo then vows revenge when it bites them in the rear end.
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I want my violent gangsters to be strictly business.
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Guy A. Person posted:I just want all the Gerhardts to be wiped out. I hate that archetype of the supposedly "sympathetic" gangster family, who does a bunch of murderous gangster rear end poo poo then vows revenge when it bites them in the rear end. What if they are wiped out except for the old man. That would be more poetic.
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I'm getting a real Frances McDormand from Burn After Reading vibe from Peggy. Her vanity leads to a selfish act that ultimately sets the entire rube goldberg-esque plot into motion. Reciting her goals to anybody who will listen, like a mantra, acts as shield against anyone that has nefarious purposes toward her. Once the smoke clears and everybody is dead, and the survivors are left scratching their heads, she stands free and uninhibited, having received exactly what she wanted in the first place. Edit: In this comparison Ed would be most like Brad Pitt: sharing in her delusion, he attempts to help her carry out her rudimentary plot unaware of how in over his head he is. We all remember what happened to Brad Pitt in that film. speshl guy fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Nov 17, 2015 |
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precision posted:Kirsten Dunst has completely turned it around, not sure why she was so blah in episode 1 but right now I'm enjoying her performance more than Plemons and I kinda hope she ends up murdering him and becomes the focal point of the show or something. I think my wish is coming true.  e: I know it won't happen, but I just want a happy ending for Bear and his kid.
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Was this episode called Home Turf or Home Field advantage? Lotta home base stuff not going so well. Like the police station being seiged, an escape into the woods which then becomes redman's home turf.
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precision posted:I think my wish is coming true. Charlie becomes a lawyer, goes to work for Karl, and marries Noreen. (But really, they'll all be dead soon.)
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Lutha Mahtin posted:i guess my interpretation of its significance is that it shows a group of cows all together and one cow off on its own. it's been shown more than once and i think the point it to show that ed (and maybe peggy? i don't remember her looking at it though) understand the tension in the relationship has a lot to do with the choice between whether to focus on the collective or the individual. the first time ed looks at it i got the impression that he understood himself to be with the group of cows, but peggy wants to be the solitary cow going to her hippie self-actualization seminar in sioux falls. then once the butcher shop burns down, ed looks at it again and he realizes the irony that peggy is now joining the herd by selling her car and he is the solitary cow by wanting to bolt. you could also read it as ed trying to pull peggy at first toward the herd, and then once the poo poo hits the fan trying to pull her toward the solitary side. poo poo, didn't read this at first becasue of the word count but RC and Moon Pie posted:Similarly, Ohhhh now I understand that loving painting
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Guy A. Person posted:I just want all the Gerhardts to be wiped out. I hate that archetype of the supposedly "sympathetic" gangster family, who does a bunch of murderous gangster rear end poo poo then vows revenge when it bites them in the rear end. Are the Gerhardts as a whole really sympathetic, though? Dodd is a shithead, Otto is/was apparently a violent monster, Simone is kind of tragic but also pretty terrible and shortsighted. Floyd is the only person who isn't obviously horrible, and she's also been the one trying to avoid the murderous gangster rear end poo poo at every turn.
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Paradoxish posted:Are the Gerhardts as a whole really sympathetic, though? Dodd is a shithead, Otto is/was apparently a violent monster, Simone is kind of tragic but also pretty terrible and shortsighted. Floyd is the only person who isn't obviously horrible, and she's also been the one trying to avoid the murderous gangster rear end poo poo at every turn. Yea that's fair. We are obviously supposed to hate Dodd. Bear I feel like we were supposed to think of him as more reasonable at least until this episode. Even Floyd though sent everyone to siege a police department to get her grandson back. I guess I am just rooting for them to get taken out before they kill any of the good characters 
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KoRMaK posted:A handful of shows think that good writing is making you care about a character and then killing them. To me, whats more challenging is writing them into situations that seems like they have a slim chance of getting out of and while baiting the viewer into beleiving that anyone can die at anytime and finding an inventive and beleiveable way for the character to get out. The problem with dangerous situations in shows like Fargo is that they have diminishing returns. This early in the season, it's acceptable for there to be a heavily-armed standoff between characters who we know to have killed people where everyone walks out alive, but every one of these situations becomes decreasingly believable with each one, because by the fourth time a Gerhardt points a gun at Lou we know they're not going to pull the trigger. I don't think Fargo has this problem, especially because its keeps the kills coming fast enough that the violence feels weighty, but Breaking Bad definitely did by the end of its run (season 4 onward). If a character repeatedly makes decisions that they know will get them killed and then talks/thinks their way out of it, the situations are no longer tense because the outcome is expected and the audience knows that any violence will simply happen to a character who isn't played by an actor whose name shows up in the opening credits.
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I really like Bear's actor and character but I keep imagining him as Brett Gelman going full Deliverance and now I kind of wish that's what it was.
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sector_corrector posted:I don't think it's out of character. Dodd pretends to be a lot more competent than he is. It's why the mother doesn't want him taking over the business. He's a prideful bully that routinely underestimates women. Like, most of the bad poo poo that happens to the Gerhardts happens directly because Dodd is an abusive misogynist. Even stuff like Rye getting killed can be linked to Dodd being a lovely brother. Bear's son playing hitman wouldn't have happened without Dodd. His introduction is him attempting to intimidate a man he doesn't realize he's accidentally tortured to death. He's an idiot goon.
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Fargo S02E06, "Rhinoceros" is the best episode of television I've ever seen. Was on one rear end cheek the entire time and seriously enjoyed every second. To me, each episode this season is better than the last. So I hope I don't spoil the expectation that the rest of the season will be even better.
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That door barricade was totally a Lebowski reference. Dunst was incredible this week, monologues and basement warfare. Who would have ever expected this when they announced a Fargo TV show out of the blue 3 years ago.
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Terra-da-loo! posted:
quote:Edit: To offer up a brief analysis of my own regarding Milligan reciting Jabberwocky: It's a work that's a prime example of a nonsense poem, but its tone is foreboding and warns of violent imagery. To put it as simply as I can: I'd argue it's the character of Milligan acknowledging the mindlessness of the violence his job and this particular situation in general involves. Assuming it's something along those lines that were intended, that's what has me fixated. Mike is super aware of the situation, beyond what his character should be. I like your interpretation. One thing that has always struck me about Jabberwocky poem is that if you speak it aloud it basically sounds like it means something and that you're hearing is just off, or that your brain has turned it into gibberish. We had to memorize it in school.
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Pron on VHS posted:Alan Sepinwall said on Twitter that tonight's episode will have us smiling for the entire time, or something like that Well he was right. That episode was incredible. It felt like a season finale.
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