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Party Boat posted:Oh yeah, I really didn't think that through. To be fair this is true and real villain here is the TOC, inability to cover maternity leave and long term sickness the buck ultimately stops with them (or the unions for not allowing them to use short term cover which I suspect is a thing). So yeah I hold my hands up I'm a piece of poo poo and my views are wrong. In other news I've heard rumours Farnworth Tunnel is completely hosed, schedule wise, as in possibly February hosed. Not sure if Bozza can shed any light on that.
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Bacon Terrorist posted:In other news I've heard rumours Farnworth Tunnel is completely hosed, schedule wise, as in possibly February hosed. Not sure if Bozza can shed any light on that. The rumours are true, and Northern have put up hoardings at affected stations (such as MCV) apologising for the delay.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:They can if it's in the contract. Aahhh ok, I was going to say they obviously wouldn't be able to claim back entitled maternity pay because that's ridiculous but yeah I guess the extra they maybe can.
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TinTower posted:The rumours are true, and Northern have put up hoardings at affected stations (such as MCV) apologising for the delay. I was at MCB the other day but drunk so didn't pay any heed to the signage. Well that's an added nightmare all round then. I had been unofficially told that the sensors used to track movement of the tunnel walls had all gone off at once which is one of the reasons for the delay, but that may be hyperbole.
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Bacon Terrorist posted:To be fair this is true and real villain here is the TOC, inability to cover maternity leave and long term sickness the buck ultimately stops with them (or the unions for not allowing them to use short term cover which I suspect is a thing). So yeah I hold my hands up I'm a piece of poo poo and my views are wrong.
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So juat out of curiosity what is up with the rail line between Leamington Spa and Banbury? Its been closed somewhere for the whole weekend seems like nearly every weekend in the last 6 months. (I live near Oxford, my girlfriend is in Loughborough, I work full time, so I do this route a lot!)
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Possibly linked to the major landslips in that area at the start of the year?
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Can someone explain predetermined overrun protection groups? Bozza?
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Can someone explain predetermined overrun protection groups? Bozza? Trying not to hang myself working it out at the moment... 
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See in the Independent today they are holding a design competition for a new wave of double deckers, could be interesting.
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The loading gauge makes it a pretty tough job right? I was only just reading about the previous ones a couple of days ago. Looks pretty uncomfortable. http://dart75.tripod.com/bddscut.htm
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Yeah they're weird looking things because lol UK infrastructure heights
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upsidedown posted:The loading gauge makes it a pretty tough job right? I was only just reading about the previous ones a couple of days ago. Looks pretty uncomfortable. Similar cars were used on some American railroads, but have since been succeeded by true double deck designs: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/doubledecker.htm
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Yeah they're weird looking things because lol UK infrastructure heights Don't the continental double-deckers use a much lower floor, almost at track level? Id there a reason other than bloody-mindedness why they didn't do that with this?
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fishmech posted:Similar cars were used on some American railroads, but have since been succeeded by true double deck designs: True double deck designs can't run on the oldest parts of the US network, the north east of the country, for the same reason that you can't run them pretty much anywhere in Britain: height of the loading gauge. Chicago is pretty much the line of demarcation, west and south of Chicago Amtrak runs double deck, and anything east of Chicago uses single deck, with commuter railroads following suit. Amtrak runs some single level cars in the Midwest pretty much because there's not enough demand for the bi-level cars.
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FISHMANPET posted:True double deck designs can't run on the oldest parts of the US network, the north east of the country, for the same reason that you can't run them pretty much anywhere in Britain: height of the loading gauge. You are quite mistaken, as ways were found to create proper double deck cars within the restrictions of the New York river tunnels.   This one, the Kawasaki C3, is used by the LIRR in order to get two decks of seating while still fitting the East River tunnels into Penn Station. The maximum height of it is 14 feet 5.6 inches, and they've been in service since 1997. They have a single level design at the ends of the car for the platform access, and then you go up or down stairs like so to get to the main seating areas. These seat either 137 or 143 passengers, depending on whether it's a plain trailer, or a cab car or bathroom car..    This one, the "Bombardier Multilevel", is used on NJ Transit to get into NYC through the North River tunnels, which are the most constrained piece of trackage on the American passenger system. One thing you'll notice is that the top of the car is rounded to more safely pass through the tunnel at its height. It's 14 feet 6 inches at its top, but a few inches shorter on each side of the top. It's also used by the commuter rail systems of Montreal in Quebec and the MARC in Maryland due to similar but less severe structure gauge bottlenecks. It has a different layout for the stairs up and down, and has a larger "platform level" seating area at each end for handicapped passengers and a bathroom in every other car. Unlike the C3, the ends of the cars are equipped with the ability to exit to a low level platform by a set of stairs. Effectively, the Bombardier Multilevel trains can operate on any freight or passenger main line railroad in North America, being able to fit the minimum structure gauge you'll encounter, and being able to be either diesel or electric hauled, and use high or low level platforms. The car seats about 127 to 142 people, depending on whether its a cab car, a bathroom car, or a plain coach. Of course these are both monsters at ~14.5 feet high and about 10 feet wide in comparison to anything you can run on most of the British rails. fishmech fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Nov 19, 2015 |
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Presumably that's the seating at the level portion of the car. Like on a bus.
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Looking at that veritable luxury Fish posted as I prepare for a weekend of ferrying drunks around on a 142 
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Munin posted:Is there any provision for disabled access? On both cars, the seating for disabled people is provided on the car end single deck sections. There's a couple of permanently mounted seats that can't flip up as well as a row of seats that can be flipped up so wheelchairs can be secured for transport. It's surprisingly difficult to find pictures of the insides that aren't the main seating decks but in this publicity photo:  You can see that the dude there is standing in the normal entryway for high level platform stations. That partition roughly marks where the seats are for the platform-level seating area - they're not as nice as the seats in the main decks but they're still pretty decent. And when they're being used on a line with low-level platforms, everyone has to take steps down from the vestibule at either end of the car, no platform traps are provided for the main deck. So you're out of luck if in a wheelchair at a station that hasn't been upgraded yet, though they're being upgraded on an ongoing basis.
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Double deck might help with capacity short term but unless you install more doors it's dreadful for throughput of trains at stations as the dwell times are now shite. Twice as many people trying to get the same amount of door ways.
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Bozza posted:Double deck might help with capacity short term but unless you install more doors it's dreadful for throughput of trains at stations as the dwell times are now shite. Would the japanese style of having where the doors will be painted on the platforms help at all? I constantly see huge scrums at the middle of the train at busy stations while doors in carriages at the front and back are ignored.
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Im suprised we dont have one way. Exit to rear of the carriage enter to the front. Most of the wasted time is caused by the crossover of people getting on and off.
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Bozza posted:Double deck might help with capacity short term but unless you install more doors it's dreadful for throughput of trains at stations as the dwell times are now shite. They're not actually double capacity, since the single level railcars they replaced had 3-2 across seating through the whole deck, instead 2-2 across seating on two middle decks. Instead they add about 30 seated people compared to a replaced single level car, on average, albeit with improved seating and better handling for handicapped passengers. There is of course more room for standees, but it still doesn't get near doubled overall capacity Sheer structural considerations means you can't get close to doubled capacity within the height and length limits (they can't be longer than the 85 feet they are, or they'll get caught on some tunnels and trackside equipment in other areas) As a result the increased dwell time is less than you might think, even though the single level cars typically had three doors to load in while these can only have 2 (the decks don't descend/ascend in the middle for a safe middle door). Still, instead of your 12 car consist carrying maybe 2400 people when packed full, you get maybe 3600 people. And that helps a lot so long as there's still only a two track tunnel to get into NYC from the west. Maybe someday additional tubes will finally be built, and at a more reasonable height in case of future expansion of the tunnels on the other side. Edit: and especially for anything double-deck that would fit on most of the British railways, you wouldn't get near double capacity. You'd need to have single level seating areas suitable for the disabled on each end of the car even if you bring back the staggered seating for a bi-level effect on the bulk of it fishmech fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Nov 19, 2015 |
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serious gaylord posted:Would the japanese style of having where the doors will be painted on the platforms help at all? I constantly see huge scrums at the middle of the train at busy stations while doors in carriages at the front and back are ignored. If my experience of the Jubilee Line is anything to go buy it'll make things much, much worse because every idiot in the world will be standing there with cow-like expressions of incomprehension blocking people who want to get off the train.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:If my experience of the Jubilee Line is anything to go buy it'll make things much, much worse because every idiot in the world will be standing there with cow-like expressions of incomprehension blocking people who want to get off the train. That's why you should have queue lines painted on the platform like in all the Asian tube networks.
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Can't we just have a member of staff with a big stick and invite them to use it as necessary to keep things moving?
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Trin Tragula posted:Can't we just have a member of staff with a big stick and invite them to use it as necessary to keep things moving? If only. Also people tend to hang around the doors when they board a busy train which further slows down boarding time.
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quick question about Crossrail: is it going to replace FGW's suburban services between Reading and Paddington? Because two stopping trains an hour between Reading and Paddington is... what we already have
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:quick question about Crossrail: is it going to replace FGW's suburban services between Reading and Paddington? Because two stopping trains an hour between Reading and Paddington is... what we already have Yes. But not replacing the fast trains.
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Bozza posted:Double deck might help with capacity short term but unless you install more doors it's dreadful for throughput of trains at stations as the dwell times are now shite. That's the reason Sydney is moving away from them. Much better to get an extra couple of trains running per hour than carry a few extra people on one train. From memory during peak dwell times can get up close to two minutes.
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Bozza posted:Trying not to hang myself working it out at the moment... Effectively where there is a primary form of protection of a route (catch points in the overlap, facing points locked normal) against other routes there is no need to replace the other routes. In effect a SPAD will be less restrictive against indirectly opposing routes.
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I've just come back from a trip to visit some mates in the Netherlands and gently caress me their train ticketing system is incredible. "Oh hi I want to turn up and go using this contactless payment system at 5am and get an intercity service from Amsterdam to Delft. What do you mean it's only €9 and the chipcard works on all other public transport?" Why can't we have nice things? (The answer is
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CrazyScot posted:Effectively where there is a primary form of protection of a route (catch points in the overlap, facing points locked normal) against other routes there is no need to replace the other routes. In effect a SPAD will be less restrictive against indirectly opposing routes. Pretty much, it's designed to allow the signaller a bit of breathing room if a SPAD occurs as it auto protects the potential conflicts at the moment of detection whilst leaving all other signals alone. It's less crude than a Signal Group Replacement Control which puts all the signals in an area back which is what the signaller should hit of a SPAD alarm sounds. However, once you get into the detail of the layout it becomes a bit more tricky. It's been giving me grief for weeks because both myself and the data/systems designs guys at Siemens are basically making it up as we go along as the standards are still maturing ie are poo poo.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:I've just come back from a trip to visit some mates in the Netherlands and gently caress me their train ticketing system is incredible. "Oh hi I want to turn up and go using this contactless payment system at 5am and get an intercity service from Amsterdam to Delft. What do you mean it's only €9 and the chipcard works on all other public transport?" Well, because we help subsidise cheap Dutch fares through Scotrail, Northern, Greater Anglia & Merseyside. Yes, not reversing the sell off of the railways was up there for Blair's worst crime.
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The Dutch absolutely hate the OV Chipkaart and I've heard awful things about them and the bugs. Maybe it's been ironed out a bit since I last saw them. One of the main complaints was that they got rid of return tickets which used to be cheaper than 2 single tickets.
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Return tickets cheaper than two singles? What nonsense, return tickets should be a trap for the unwary and nothing more.
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Yeah there were a bunch of ticket options that don't exist on oyster (first class pip pip old bean) but I was just using it as PAYG. Though I was wrong and the fare structure is actually kind of insane if you don't know the geography: https://www.ov-chipkaart.nl/travelling/price-list/kilometer-fare.htm
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People always ask why a single is nearly the same price as a return, I was always told a return is a discounted ticket as it encourages people to buy returns instead of fare dodging. I doubt contactless payment on train will ever happen, the amount of cards declined purely because of their bank's offline transaction limit is a nightmare as it is, when the Bluetooth actually works. I'd like to think the Avantix machines are going to be replaced soon as state of the art models could make retail protection much easier, however I suspect there is little enthusiasm for that as the trend is increasingly 'ensure the ticket is sold before the passenger encounters a conductor' to save the company the commission conductors earn. The PDAs are over ten years old and definitely feel it.
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