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EmmyOk posted:I think the problem is that they tried to incorporate everyone's idea at various times not that they had none. Watchdog's script was improvised, and everyone just kept going "yes, and."
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chitoryu12 posted:I love how on practically every page, at least one person has an epiphany of a way of making Watch_Dogs a better game. The corporate environment at Ubisoft must be staggeringly bad and stifling if the game turned out this bland. This is what happens when a game is designed by a soulless corporate committee. They just had to try and tick every box on the Ubisoft Open World Game Checklist(tm) "We should give Aiden a sidekick, another hacker he could interact with. " "And that they're an obvious love interest potential!" "Wait, I thought he had a wife and son already?" "Eh gently caress it, just change the lines to say it's his sister. Oh, and make sure to shoehorn in some stealth sections while you're at it."
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Nov 16, 2015 13:12
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The entire city is actually a giant robot and Aiden must hack that to get in a fight with Pittsburgh.
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ousire posted:"Wait, I thought he had a wife and son already?" oh no, I never thought about that. did they really make him an uncle so he could flirt with the sidekick guilt free? that would be so sad.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:21
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Zmej posted:oh no, I never thought about that. did they really make him an uncle so he could flirt with the sidekick guilt free? that would be so sad. I don't think anyone knows really solid, coherent reasons for any of the design decisions. Earlier in the thread, someone posted an Imgur album that purported to be emails from developers explaining what went wrong. Long story short, the development was basically what everyone guessed. The E3 2012 demo that won over the crowd was pretty much the only solid plot and gameplay that existed at the moment, but it was such a rousing success that all development was focused on that demo. Yes, they based the game (from plot to play) on the 10 minute gameplay demo. Without a whole lot of solid backbone to the plot or concept, things never really had rails to get back onto. Much of it was (no pun intended) hacked together. The badass multiplayer preview showing drop-in multiplayer messing with single player missions? That was all staged, because they didn't actually have that implemented or really any way to make something that epic. The current Invasion gameplay is what they were able to get in the game in time for release. Someone posting on 4Chan said that Ubisoft Montreal initially blew off a train track that ran at a 90 degree angle as "Maybe we can patch it later", and it only got a messy fix because of the major delay in late 2013. On a similar note, a Redditor posted info on the Assassin's Creed 3 development and it shows similar problems. I'll quote some of the most important points: quote:The game was worked on by large majority of the Montreal team, as well as Ubi Quebec, Ubi Annecy, Ubi Bucharest, and Ubi Singapore. Between 500-600 people touched the game before it's release. Contrast that with teams like Naughty Dog or Sony Santa Monica, who operate with 80-100 (maybe 200 during crunch).
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Nov 16, 2015 18:35
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The development of this game reminds me of how YT's mother's job worked in Snow Crash
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Nov 16, 2015 19:06
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Zmej posted:oh no, I never thought about that. did they really make him an uncle so he could flirt with the sidekick guilt free? that would be so sad. I'm not sure I've seen a single hint of romantic chemistry between Aiden and what's-her-face, and I don't think we ever do. I think y'all are the only ones making the assumption of romance because of opposing genders.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I'm not sure I've seen a single hint of romantic chemistry between Aiden and what's-her-face, and I don't think we ever do. I think y'all are the only ones making the assumption of romance because of opposing genders. That's about all the romance development most video game/TV couples get before suddenly they start smooshing their faces into each other.
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paragon1 posted:Random people possessed by alien bug spirits and a giant nuke crater in the downtown core would probably spice up the map a bit, yeah? Especially since Chip could then ramp off the crater walls.
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Arbite posted:My favourite story about the aftermath of the fire: 'In the aftermath of the fire and led by Queen Victoria, many Europeans donated books to replace the Chicago Library. There had never been a Chicago library, and with nowhere to put them, Chicago stored the books in empty water towers.'
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I'm not sure I've seen a single hint of romantic chemistry between Aiden and what's-her-face, and I don't think we ever do. I think y'all are the only ones making the assumption of romance because of opposing genders. There's been some flirting and hints at feelings, but it's sudden, comes out of nowhere, and returns back to nowhere just as fast. Like the script writers labelled a light switch "romance", and are just flicking it on and off for giggles.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:26
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I'm not sure I've seen a single hint of romantic chemistry between Aiden and what's-her-face, and I don't think we ever do. I think y'all are the only ones making the assumption of romance because of opposing genders. While I agree that there's no romantic chemistry between the two at all, I still think it's pretty likely that there's going to be a(n extremely forced and uncomfortable) romance subplot, just because a)creating a romance subplot between opposite-sex characters for no apparent reason seems to be the "in" thing in a lot of video game writing right now, and b)I think that the lack of chemistry is equally-likely to have been due to the piss-poor writing and wooden acting.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:46
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Yeah, if it exists, it's gonna be as well-handled as anything else in this game. "That's it I've done everything I set out to do." "We did it, Aiden." *poorly animated facesmashing kiss, roll credits* All because some idiot at the end of the designing sequence went "wait did we ever properly add in a romantic plot after making Aiden a Heroic(tm) Uncle since we didn't think our target audience would handle being married/divorced well? poo poo cram it in at the end."
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Nekomimi-Maiden posted:Yeah, if it exists, it's gonna be as well-handled as anything else in this game. "That's it I've done everything I set out to do." "We did it, Aiden." *poorly animated facesmashing kiss, roll credits* You mean an inevitable Fridging. Because this game can't not be miserable about everything that isn't Jordi.
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Nov 16, 2015 23:28
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I'm having more fun watching you gently caress about in Chicago than actually playing the game's story.
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Nomad175 posted:While I agree that there's no romantic chemistry between the two at all, I still think it's pretty likely that there's going to be a(n extremely forced and uncomfortable) romance subplot, just because a)creating a romance subplot between opposite-sex characters for no apparent reason seems to be the "in" thing in a lot of video game writing right now, and b)I think that the lack of chemistry is equally-likely to have been due to the piss-poor writing and wooden acting. Probably just as uncomfortable and forced as the one in Super...
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I find it incredibly disturbing and prophetic that I just received spam sex emails from a "WifeSister".
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chitoryu12 posted:I find it incredibly disturbing and prophetic that I just received spam sex emails from a "WifeSister". Damien has found a whole new way of trolling Aiden as he is slacking on the job
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chitoryu12 posted:I find it incredibly disturbing and prophetic that I just received spam sex emails from a "WifeSister". I didn't know Ubi was doing an ARG to announce the sequel, but good on them for making sure it goes straight to the trash.
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Nov 17, 2015 19:35
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I think Ubisoft heard the term "Sister Wife" and thought it meant something other than polygamy.
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Waffleman_ posted:I think Ubisoft heard the term "Sister Wife" and thought it meant something other than polygamy. Ubisoft is going back to the Middle Ages. 
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couldn't they have just made sisterwife aiden's ex if they wanted to have their cake and eat it too with clara at least one of those two is gonna die anyway, it's inevitable
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Manatee Cannon posted:at least one of those two is gonna die anyway, it's inevitable Narrative-wise I kind of want sisterwife to die just so maybe Aiden can realize literally all he did in his quest to get revenge was get the rest of his family killed. I know he won't actually learn anything and the story will still spin him as some kind of hero, but... 
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Nov 17, 2015 23:21
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Raiden actually grew as a character over the course of the game too. Aiden is still the same bland angry mc-gruff man he was in the stadium.
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Nov 17, 2015 23:32
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Unrelated, but I love how there's three avatars from the same set made for Chip & Ironicus's Wonderful 101 LP on this single page.
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OldMemes posted:Raiden actually grew as a character over the course of the game too. Aiden is still the same bland angry mc-gruff man he was in the stadium. raiden got a sword and beat up like 20 robots what has aiden done with his life?
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Danaru posted:Narrative-wise I kind of want sisterwife to die just so maybe Aiden can realize literally all he did in his quest to get revenge was get the rest of his family killed. I think that niece from earlier killing him to avenge her uncle would be a really cathartic alternative. Alas the game is not self-aware enough to do that either but still.
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This is gonna be fun to watch the guesses evolve. You haven't even met some major characters.
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Manatee Cannon posted:raiden got a sword and beat up like 20 robots raiden never blackmailed a guy named bedbug
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END ME SCOOB posted:This is gonna be fun to watch the guesses evolve. You haven't even met some major characters. aiden's daughter-niece never actually died and is piloting that old guy like a robot suit clara is a figment of aiden's imagination because he's a sad, lonely man it is revealed that people abbreviate jackson's name because the writers decided they'd make him aiden's nephew and didn't want to draw attention to it by having someone say 'son' all the time
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I'm sure all of these are more interesting and coherent than what will actually happen.END ME SCOOB posted:This is gonna be fun to watch the guesses evolve. You haven't even met some major characters. See, in order to guess what could possibly happen at the end of this game, we have to think like Ubisoft. Which means communally deciding the ending through a decision of offhand events that will occur and seem somewhat acceptable to absolutely everyone concerned at the time.
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Raiden is p terrible but he did grow somewhat and wasn't actually a bad person that the game was trying to convince was cool and down with the youth.
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I love to talk loudly about my friends on a full-name basis even when I'm being hunted by bounty hunters and corporations. Episode 26: Hacker Hermit.....Uncut Commentary.....Baldurdash.....Download Chip Cheezum fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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EmmyOk posted:Raiden is p terrible but he did grow somewhat and wasn't actually a bad person that the game was trying to convince was cool and down with the youth. Yup, in fact the message was Raiden was hosed up beyond belief
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Hackman went to Pawnee to stick it to CTOS in their own backyard, and by their own backyard we of course mean the backyard of someone else who lives two counties away.
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Ray just kicked Aiden's rear end. I like him already.
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Accordion Man posted:Ray just kicked Aiden's rear end. Indeed.
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Fun fact: this is the exact same place they did the drinking game back in episode 5. It's been that friggin' long. Here's what I find incredibly weird and silly, though. The drinking contest guy and Ray both ramble on about conspiracy nonsense but they have different models (I went back and looked). I actually felt immense surprise and joy that the game managed to pull off a pretty interesting twist like that until I checked and found out they were different guys. Why? They both have the same kind of personality and affinity for drink. I kinda wish it was just the Ray model doing the game the whole time because of the fact that I said "SON OF A BITCH" out loud watching that. But then again here I am making changes to Watch_Dogs to make it better.
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