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Pook Good Mook: Aug 6, 2013; ENFORCE THE UNITED STATES DRESS CODE AT ALL COSTS!

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Jealous Cow posted:

People conflate understanding with empathy.

You literally did that. You said what Kerry said, "sounds like victim blaming"

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Living in Iowa I took the opportunity today to e-mail Governor Branstad and tell him how much of a coward he was being. Also that he didn't have a legal leg to stand on.

Will it change anything? No. Felt good though.

Pook Good Mook fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Nov 18, 2015

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bird cooch: Jan 19, 2007

Action: CH attack

Justification given by attackers: Mohamed cartoon/ blasphemy

Action: Paris attacks

Justification given by attackers: The west is bad???

One is much less nebulous and more easily explained.

Jealous Cow posted:

People conflate understanding with empathy.

Willfully it seems in this case.

bird cooch fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Nov 18, 2015

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:00

Jealous Cow: Apr 4, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Ok, I guess just keep avoiding learning anything about ISIS and their objectives. After all it's more fun fighting an enemy you know nothing about, right?

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:04

esto es malo: Aug 3, 2006; Don't want to end up a cartoon

In a cartoon graveyard

bird cooch posted:

Action: CH attack

Justification given by attackers: Mohamed cartoon/ blasphemy

Action: Paris attacks

Justification given by attackers: The west is bad???

One is much less nebulous and more easily explained.

Uh actually it was the west's bombing campaign against ISIS and any one with half a loving brain can discern that obvious point.

unless you think that ISIS is claiming the attacks without actually being a part of them which lol

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:04

Mc Do Well: Aug 2, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Both can be 'expected'. Charlie Hebdo could be anticipated as a very specific 'gently caress you!' - this more recent attack was a more general 'gently caress you' incitement

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:06

Boon: Jun 21, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Jealous Cow posted:

Ok, I guess just keep avoiding learning anything about ISIS and their objectives. After all it's more fun fighting an enemy you know nothing about, right?

Please teach us from your deep well of wisdom and understanding, master

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:06

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

Please don't let this thread deteriorate into a combination of the worst of the Charlie Hebdo and Paris 11/13 threads.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:09

Jealous Cow: Apr 4, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Boon posted:

Please teach us from your deep well of wisdom and understanding, master

Here are some good places to start if you're interested in learning more.

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/17/islamic-states-goal-eliminating-the-grayzone-of-coexistence-between-muslims-and-the-west/

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/11/fareed-zakaria-goal-isis-terrorism-world

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Edit:

ISIS faked a Syrian passport. They want us to label Muslims as indiscriminate killing machines, stoke our xenophobia, and increase the tensions between Christians and Muslims.

http://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-attacks-live-updates/syrian-passport-reportedly-was-stolen-or-fake/

Jealous Cow fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Nov 18, 2015

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Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

USPOL Nov: The Second Time Jindal Quit A Race

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:42

Mandy Thompson: Dec 26, 2014; by zen death robot

I miss saying :fork:

from the CE days. We should say :fork:

he's done more often

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:48

DaveWoo: Aug 14, 2004; Fun Shoe

quote:

President Barack Obama is taking an even harsher tone against governors and lawmakers who want to stop the U.S. resettlement of Syrian refugees, blasting them for being "scared of widows and orphans" while playing into the hands of the Islamic State terrorist group.

"We are not well served when, in response to a terrorist attack, we descend into fear and panic. We don't make good decisions if its based on hysteria or an exaggeration of risks," Obama said while visiting the Philippines for the APEC economic summit. "I cannot think of a more potent recruitment tool for ISIL than some of the rhetoric that's been coming out of here during the course of this debate."

In the wake of the deadly attacks in Paris, more than half of U.S. governors, most of them Republican, have said they don't want refugees resettled in their states. House Republican leaders also are looking at legislation designed to stop the Obama administration from resettling up to 10,000 Syrian refugees next year. Several GOP presidential contenders have also slammed the idea of letting Syrians in, while some have suggested only letting in those who are Christian.

Obama earlier this week has expressed anger over the idea of discriminating based on religion, and reiterated that sentiment in his latest comments in Manila.

"When individuals say we should have a religious test and that only Christians, proven Christians should be admitted, that's offensive," he said.

The president also noted that many of the same people who have suggested stopping refugees from coming to the United States also claim they themselves are tough enough to stare down Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"At first they were too scared of the press being too tough on them in the debates," Obama said. "Now they are scared of three-year-old orphans. That doesn't seem so tough to me."

The president's comments appear to be a reference to remarks by New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt on Monday: �I don�t think orphans under 5 are being, you know, should be admitted into the United States at this point. But you know, they have no family here. How are we going to care for these folks?�

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# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:49

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Mandy Thompson posted:

I miss saying from the CE days. We should say he's done more often

He's said he's going to spend his time building his think tank instead, so poor ol' Bobby Jindal is just going to have to find a way to live for the rest of his life off millions of dollars in funding from the carbon extraction industry.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:50

Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

my thread title was better

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:50

Islam is the Lite Rock FM: Jul 27, 2007; by exmarx

Hot drat Obama's been pissed off lately. Good.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:53

Pook Good Mook: Aug 6, 2013; ENFORCE THE UNITED STATES DRESS CODE AT ALL COSTS!

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"At first they were too scared of the press being too tough on them in the debates," Obama said. "Now they are scared of three-year-old orphans. That doesn't seem so tough to me."

Campaign Obama is best Obama.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:54

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

Fried Chicken posted:

my thread title was better

I guess it just wasn't your night, Terry.

Pook Good Mook posted:

"At first they were too scared of the press being too tough on them in the debates," Obama said. "Now they are scared of three-year-old orphans. That doesn't seem so tough to me."

Campaign Obama is best Obama.

Repeal the 22^nd!

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:55

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

The NRSC has a man dressed up as a tree following Russ Feingold around.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:56

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Pook Good Mook posted:

I'm pro-accepting more refugees but outside of putting your city forward as a haven a state doesn't have much control over where the Federal government sends groups.

Obviously they're not doing something since Boise, Idaho, a city that's not only less than a quarter the size of Portland but is also in a more lily-white state, accepted more Syrian Refugees than Portland, via http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/21/us/where-syrian-refugees-are-in-the-united-states.html

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:58

Islam is the Lite Rock FM: Jul 27, 2007; by exmarx

computer parts posted:

Obviously they're not doing something since Boise, Idaho, a city that's not only less than a quarter the size of Portland but is also in a more lily-white state, accepted more Syrian Refugees than Portland, via http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/21/us/where-syrian-refugees-are-in-the-united-states.html

Poor refugees have to put up with Butch Otter.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 03:59

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

DemeaninDemon posted:

Poor refugees have to put up with Butch Otter.

I mean, you could have elected the racist biker guy. You had options, dammit!

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:00

Wales Grey: Jun 20, 2012

Jealous Cow posted:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

This was a well-written rebuttal to the notion that we should take Daesh's tenuous theological justifications seriously.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:02

Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001; Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Joementum posted:

Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you *keep* it a *secret*! Why didn't you tell the world, EH?

As you know, the Premier loves surprises.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:04

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

Joementum posted:

The NRSC has a man dressed up as a tree following Russ Feingold around.

???

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:08

Jealous Cow: Apr 4, 2002; by Fluffdaddy

Wales Grey posted:

This was a well-written rebuttal to the notion that we should take Daesh's tenuous theological justifications seriously.

Thanks, I read the first few paragraphs and will finish it later.

I'm not sure I'd consider their states goal of dividing Muslims from the rest of society as being a theological justification. They may be coming up with a theological justification for that objective, but it's hard to argue that they've stated and taken steps in support of that objective.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:12

JT Jag: Aug 30, 2009; #1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

bird cooch posted:

Action: CH attack

Justification given by attackers: Mohamed cartoon/ blasphemy

Action: Paris attacks

Justification given by attackers: The west is bad???

One is much less nebulous and more easily explained.

Willfully it seems in this case.

Building off of this: there are two primary types of military goals: tactical and strategic. Tactical goals pertain to the short-term, the battle currently at hand. Tactical victories are typically simple ones: we killed more of them than they killed us, and drove them from the field. But there are also strategic goals and victories, goals that fulfill long-term goals.

It's simplistic to narrow the actions of a terrorist group into these categories, but it's something that old-school analysts might find themselves doing. Charlie Hebdo was, in theory, a tactical victory for ISIS: some people of importance who profaned the Prophet was killed. But the Paris attacks seem at first glance like they might have been just a tactical victory: many people were killed, but no long-term goals were achieved.

This is likely what Kerry meant when he was making this statement. Unfortunately, he was wrong. As I said, ISIS is a guerilla-warfare-centric terrorist organization, and their perspective of what counts as a victory is different from a standard military organization. The Paris attacks fulfilled a stated goal of theirs: to make the climate more toxic for Muslims in general and migrants in particular.

Either way, what Kerry said sounded really bad. And that's what really matters, as even if he thought it was a factual statement it sounds like he's blaming the victim. He shouldn't have said it, but what's done is done.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:12

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

HootTheOwl posted:

???

The tree is the mascot of Stanford, where Feingold is currently teaching a course. The NRSC, noting how well this worked against Senator Professor Warren, believes that this is an effective attack.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:12

A Winner is Jew: Feb 14, 2008; by exmarx

DaveWoo posted:

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Good.

Not letting in refugees is literally the most un-american and un-christian thing they can do, and they should be called out on it at every loving turn.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:12

Islam is the Lite Rock FM: Jul 27, 2007; by exmarx

Joementum posted:

I mean, you could have elected the racist biker guy. You had options, dammit!

Na Otter had Simplot in his corner.

They supply McDs with fries.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:14

Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

So as the Indiana Senate Republican caucus was unveiling its anti discrimination bill today (which has been met with howls of rage from their case), State Representative Bruce Borders (R-Jacksonville) was passing out copies of a book titled "Outlasting the Gay Revolution"

Let's have an Amazon link

quote:

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At this point I'm starting to think that following the news is bad for my wellbeing

Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Nov 18, 2015

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:19

Islam is the Lite Rock FM: Jul 27, 2007; by exmarx

Get drunk fried chicken.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:24

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Fried Chicken posted:

"Outlasting the Gay Revolution"

Published by WorldNetDaily Books.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:26

On Terra Firma: Feb 12, 2008

Fried Chicken posted:

So as the Indiana Senate Republican caucus was unveiling its anti discrimination bill today (which has been met with howls of rage from their case), State Representative Bruce Borders (R-Jacksonville) was passing out copies of a book titled "Outlasting the Gay Revolution"

Let's have an Amazon link

At this point I'm starting to think that following the news is bad for my wellbeing

I had to shut it out for a while the last few days. I think that's the first time I've had to do that since Sandy Hook.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:26

ComradeCosmobot: Dec 4, 2004; USPOL July

Joementum posted:

The tree is the mascot of Stanford, where Feingold is currently teaching a course. The NRSC, noting how well this worked against Senator Professor Warren, believes that this is an effective attack.

Actually the mascot of Stanford is cardinal. No, not "a cardinal", like the bird, but the color.

The tree is actually the mascot of the Stanford band, chosen in part because the university administration overruled a 1975 vote by students to replace their former mascot, the Indian, with the Robber Baron when they selected cardinal. The Tree was the most popular joke mascot of several to perform with the band in 1975 when they attempted to mock the ongoing mascot debacle at the time, and it stuck.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:31

Fuckt Tupp: Apr 19, 2007; Science

Fried Chicken posted:

So as the Indiana Senate Republican caucus was unveiling its anti discrimination bill today (which has been met with howls of rage from their case), State Representative Bruce Borders (R-Jacksonville) was passing out copies of a book titled "Outlasting the Gay Revolution"

Let's have an Amazon link

All I can think about after hearing that book title is the phrase "grit your teeth and think of England."

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:32

Mc Do Well: Aug 2, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Sexual and Spiritual Anarchy are cool and good.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:38

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Joementum posted:

The tree is the mascot of Stanford, where Feingold is currently teaching a course. The NRSC, noting how well this worked against Senator Professor Warren, believes that this is an effective attack.

okay so that's why he's dressed up as a tree, now what exactly is the goal of having tree man follow feingold around?

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:44

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Raskolnikov38 posted:

okay so that's why he's dressed up as a tree, now what exactly is the goal of having tree man follow feingold around?

Because then people will remember that Russ Feingold is a college professor.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:45

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Joementum posted:

Because then people will remember that Russ Feingold is a college professor.

You know just having an intern drop a fake tree at where ever he's at would probably be cheaper and just as effective.

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:46

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Raskolnikov38 posted:

You know just having an intern drop a fake tree at where ever he's at would probably be cheaper and just as effective.

There might be larger problems with this strategy than its cost.

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Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

Joementum posted:

There might be larger problems with this strategy than its cost.

Senators are sophomores with the power of the purse?

# ? Nov 18, 2015 04:56

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