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M.McFly posted:You held up the BC Liberals as an example of progressives in power: Those are all liberal parties though 
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You've achieved the perfect intersection of smugness and whininess. Good job, we were all cheering for you to finally reach it eventually. Oh, and pedantry, we mustn't forget that!
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Nov 18, 2015 04:23
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I'm sorry for not being as awesome, reasonable and pleasant as you are.
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Nov 18, 2015 04:27
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THC posted:I'm sorry for not being as awesome, reasonable and pleasant as you are. As well you should be.
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Nov 18, 2015 04:41
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PT6A posted:Good, they obviously hate their staff as much as us poor bastards who have ever had to deal with their staff. Bell Media is going to be CTV and the like, rather than the telecom side (unless you deal with Bell Media for ??? reasons). While I get pretty much all of my news media from the CBC, they seemed pretty decent with how they called out the Bell higher-ups earlier in the year when it came to reporting on CRTC rulings, so this is kinda crummy. I've got an old friend who works for CTV, so I hope she's doing alright.
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Nov 18, 2015 04:42
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Ikantski posted:I'm arguing that Liberal means taking the position that will get you into power while saying you're the most progressive. In BC, that meant a coalition with conservatives. Better than not being in power at all right? That's Liberal. The conservatives in BC have some power but really only as much as the Liberals give them. I generally take your word for it on matters of Ontario politics, but you don't know much about BC. There is no liberal/conservative coalition here with only so much power being given to one side or the other. If you are in politics, and you are not NDP, and you are not a loon you are a BC Liberal. The reason the BC Liberals are not progressives, is the previous union breaking conservative party that was mortally wounded by corruption bought membership cards in a not even laughably third place party and took it over from the inside. Now while I am sure there are actually liberals in the party, it is mostly because what other party would they work for. quote:“Our provincial housing strategy is the most progressive in this country’s history,” said Premier Clark. The most progressive housing in the country is basically a mixture of trying to get any other level of government to deal with it, to housing the poor in actual literal prisons. The definition of progressive governance imo. e: Oh yeah, and selling social housing to slum lords. Forgot that one. ocrumsprug fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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Nov 18, 2015 04:43
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Coxswain Balls posted:Bell Media is going to be CTV and the like, rather than the telecom side (unless you deal with Bell Media for ??? reasons). While I get pretty much all of my news media from the CBC, they seemed pretty decent with how they called out the Bell higher-ups earlier in the year when it came to reporting on CRTC rulings, so this is kinda crummy. I've got an old friend who works for CTV, so I hope she's doing alright. Which side handles ExpressVu? Mobility has actually been decent for me, but ExpressVu is an affront to god and man, as is everything associated with it.
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Nov 18, 2015 04:44
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That's going to be Bell TV, not to be confused with the IPTV service Bell offers in areas where it has an internet footprint.
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Nov 18, 2015 04:58
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Melian Dialogue posted:http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-iraq-trainers-military-1.3322288 Fine by me to contribute like that. Just don't want them staffing full bases and doing combat poo poo and whatnot.
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Nov 18, 2015 05:00
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sbaldrick posted:So Bell Media has gone through their staff with a hatchit today. They've been getting rid of everyone at the top of their pay grade for over a year now. Broadcast television is dying.
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Nov 18, 2015 05:04
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Tighclops posted:They've been getting rid of everyone at the top of their pay grade for over a year now. Broadcast television is dying. Good. lovely about the jobs but gently caress cable TV.
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Nov 18, 2015 05:05
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Nov 18, 2015 05:08
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ocrumsprug posted:I generally take your word for it on matters of Ontario politics, but you don't know much about BC. There is no liberal/conservative coalition here with only so much power being given to one side or the other. If you are in politics, and you are not NDP, and you are not a loon you are a BC Liberal. Sorry, I was just going off the article that McFly linked, that said quote:Ms. Clark launched the review two years ago, when her party was struggling to renew that centre-right coalition. A year later, the B.C. Liberals won a fourth consecutive provincial election, effectively ending the question of whether the Liberal brand was a problem at the polling booth. I said before, I shouldn't have said that only progressives are in power. I should have said that conservative branded parties and, by extension the goofs that keep getting dragged here from facebook, have no voice at all right now. There's no minorities even that need PC party support. The ABC movement has won. The only way conservative people have any decision making power in Canada right now is to be in Saskatchewan or to brand themselves Liberals.
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Nov 18, 2015 05:11
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bunnyofdoom posted:Craft brewery pulling out of Alberta because of new ndp tax . Seems like a convenient excuse to quietly back out of a market where your product is clearly substandard and can't compete.
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Nov 18, 2015 05:12
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ocrumsprug posted:I generally take your word for it on matters of Ontario politics Why? Ikantski is an OPC booster who's whole shtick is painting both the ONDP and the OLP in the worst possible light. He's been going off like this since the Ontario election.
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Nov 18, 2015 05:22
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Ikantski posted:Sorry, I was just going off the article that McFly linked, that said And yet they seem to be doing a drat fine job despite all that "lack of voice". The conservative mindset has forced every single party to the right of where they previously were and we all took the middle and moved it with them. JohnnyCanuck posted:Why? Ikantski is an OPC booster who's whole shtick is painting both the ONDP and the OLP in the worst possible light. He's been going off like this since the Ontario election. He is a coveted Furnaceface fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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Nov 18, 2015 05:22
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JohnnyCanuck posted:Why? Ikantski is an OPC booster who's whole shtick is painting both the ONDP and the OLP in the worst possible light. He's been going off like this since the Ontario election. I like the ONDP, I'd vote for them in a heartbeat if they had a chance of winning my riding and I voted NDP federally? My shtick is anyone but Liberal. Furnaceface posted:And yet they seem to be doing a drat fine job despite all that "lack of voice". The conservative mindset has forced every single party to the right of where they previously were and we all took the middle and moved it with them. So conservatives are to blame for the wrong things Liberals and NDP do, got it.
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Nov 18, 2015 05:45
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Furnaceface posted:And yet they seem to be doing a drat fine job despite all that "lack of voice". The conservative mindset has forced every single party to the right of where they previously were and we all took the middle and moved it with them. What are you talking about? They have a lack of voice now because a month ago they lost power federally. Did you even read what Ikantski wrote? He didn't say the conservatives have been on the outskirts forever, he's saying they're on the outskirts now All these racists fearmongering on Facebook haven't changed the current government's stance on refugees or withdrawing air support at all. The Liberals are not the progressive messiahs people think they are, fine, but you and a whole lot of other posters are being extremly disingenuous when it comes to parroting the old canard of " they're all the same ". They demonstrably aren't, as the huge policy changes already in the works attest to. Try having some substance to your commentary instead of rehashing the same goddamn statements over and over. E: All major parties in Canada still operate on a capitalist ideology of perpetual growth and development as there path to prosperity. True socialism isn't on the table. This is true. But it doesn't make them the same in any meaningful sense. Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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Nov 18, 2015 06:02
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All of Canada can be seen as a historically specific order of rule, following a socio-political logic: liberalism. (I think only Hand Knit will get this)
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Nov 18, 2015 06:45
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gently caress Bell Media hard. They're a bunch of corrupt bastards who are willing to bribe and intimidate anyone in order to ensure that their ratings are high. I hope they die a slow death and file for bankruptcy. gently caress 90% of the Canadian television establishment while I'm at it, including the ratings lackey Numeris.
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Nov 18, 2015 07:06
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why are people still saying that Isis is slipping in with refugees, I think all or maybe all but 1 of the Paris attackers were French or Belgian nationals. They are demonstrably not slipping in with refugees, they are targeting dissaffected and marginalized youth already in the countries they strike in. I know the Internet is a cess pool of lies but it's all over the goddamn news right now, how can this many people be willing to believe oppositeofreality.txt gently caress these shitheads, and gently caress their juvenile posting style with custy nicknames and self-censorship of swears, what the gently caress is that poo poo, that's like what freepers do
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Nov 18, 2015 07:35
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Who was that poster in the old CanPol threads who wished not for the pendulum swing of the Liberals and the Tories, but the benevolent rule of a philosopher king? I wish Ikantski had chosen a gimmick that amusing.
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Nov 18, 2015 08:24
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The Dark One posted:Who was that poster in the old CanPol threads who wished not for the pendulum swing of the Liberals and the Tories, but the benevolent rule of a philosopher king? I wish Ikantski had chosen a gimmick that amusing. Probably Fraternite, who thought that Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew was the model on which we should follow. It wasn't a gimmick though, that's for sure.
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Nov 18, 2015 09:29
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:why are people still saying that Isis is slipping in with refugees, I think all or maybe all but 1 of the Paris attackers were French or Belgian nationals. They are demonstrably not slipping in with refugees, they are targeting dissaffected and marginalized youth already in the countries they strike in. I know the Internet is a cess pool of lies but it's all over the goddamn news right now, how can this many people be willing to believe oppositeofreality.txt Because they're cut from the same cloth. At least here in SJ my facebook has had 10 postive and shaming posts for every one where some nut goes off.
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Nov 18, 2015 10:45
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vyelkin posted:If you're going to write that script, at least go the whole hog and replace his posts with this: code:
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Nov 18, 2015 14:01
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Fraternite/Nomenklatura slapfights were yesteryear's THC/PT6A slapfights. Thread never changes.
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Nov 18, 2015 14:19
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Globe and Mail continues to show off opinion pieces as actual news http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...&service=mobile
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Nov 18, 2015 14:36
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DariusLikewise posted:Globe and Mail continues to show off opinion pieces as actual news Uhhhh It's in an "opinions" section called "Globe Debates - Canada’s leading forum for world-class opinion and debate".
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Nov 18, 2015 14:42
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Ikantski posted:Oh come on man, civil servants are dancing in the halls, we're fighting climate change, we're bringing peace to the middle east, legalizing weed and annoying legal gun owners. It's night and day and parliament hasn't even started yet. Look at this group of cabinet ministers and their values compared to the last group, I'd say there are major differences and that should lead to major differences in their decisions. What values? I see a government that practices corporate boosterism, toleration of alternative lifestyles and immigrants, support of the state institutions that benefit it's core supporters, pro-American foreign policy and free trade. Their primary lever for effecting the economy are corporate handouts and boutique tax cuts for the middle class (which a minor adjustment to the tax code thrown in as an election-winning plank). There are some key differences between them and the outgoing Conservatives but I wouldn't say it's like night and day. quote:Perhaps I should have said that conservative parties have virtually no power instead of progressives have all the power, that'd be less likely to offend you guys as progressives and still be accurate. First, I find progressive to be such a meaningless term that it's barely a useful label. I certainly don't identify as a progressive myself, even if I occasionally slip into using the term out of sheer convenience. Second, you're ignoring the extent to which the decisions of private businesses, banks, media outlets and think tanks can shape government and place limits on the scope and extent of government policy. I think it's simplistic and even a bit naive to claim "conservatives" have no influence on policy when the commanding heights of our economy are overwhelmingly controlled by conservative-leaning individuals. You also ignore the extent to which our national and international institutions have been molded along neoconservative / neoliberal lines since the 1970s: progressives may have scored some victories when it comes to accepting alternative forms of sexuality, but our economic debates are all framed in fundamentally conservative language and ideas.
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Nov 18, 2015 16:29
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Apparently Montreal police arrested someone in connection with that nut who said he'd kill one Arab per week in that online video. That's good!
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Nov 18, 2015 16:55
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Jordan7hm posted:Uhhhh Should have included this. Considering most people won't read past the headline, there isn't much to show that one is an opinion piece and one is an article. 
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Nov 18, 2015 16:58
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Helsing posted:What values? I see a government that practices corporate boosterism, toleration of alternative lifestyles and immigrants, support of the state institutions that benefit it's core supporters, pro-American foreign policy and free trade. Their primary lever for effecting the economy are corporate handouts and boutique tax cuts for the middle class (which a minor adjustment to the tax code thrown in as an election-winning plank). For values, let's compare health ministers, that's a spot where values particularly matter. One one hand, we had Ayn Rand loving, pro-life Rona Ambrose. On the other, we have the family doctor who spent 9 years volunteering in Niger, Jane Philpott. At the risk of invoking the thread's irrational disdain for doctors, I would call that about as night and day of a value set as you'll see in Canadian politics. Look, I just had a showerthought that it was notable, especially in the last two years, that Canadians had pretty well rejected Conservative politicians from coast to coast. The banks and private companies aren't making political decisions, politicians are and the huge majority of those politicians are not branded as conservatives. It will be an interesting couple of years for us to find out how the political system behaves when Conservative politicians are removed from it.
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Nov 18, 2015 17:13
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Well what Canada is electing is veiled conservatism that the provincial Liberal parties have drifted towards. They are generally progressive on social issues, but conservative on economic ones.
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Nov 18, 2015 17:21
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Melian Dialogue posted:http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-iraq-trainers-military-1.3322288 I'm kinda split on the training mission. I root for the Kurds, and of course despise IS, and wish the Kurds luck. However, while they're secular, they're not exactly nice people, as a whole. They've already been evicting arabs from their villages, burning homes, and generally being racist dicks. The Kurds territorial claims include areas that were "arabized" under Saddam. The Kurds have a lot of motivation to drive these arabs back and try and reclaim some of that territory. Plus, the various Kurdish groups have a poor history of getting along; a brutal civil war was fought in Iraqi Kurdistan only in the 90s. My worry with training them is that they'll use their training not just against IS, but against whatever enemies they come across in the future, which could include basically anyone/everyone they live close to. Training militias in the middle east has a long and proud history of backfiring, and I'm not keen to have Canada play a big role in that.
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Nov 18, 2015 17:29
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Ikantski posted:A fun new game I came up with today is when you hear Left Wing politicians talk about how they're planning to pull out of the fight against ISIS, replace what they're saying with "I want to see young children and women die in horrible ways" Okay
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Nov 18, 2015 17:31
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bunnyofdoom posted:You forgot the NL&L is very likely going red too. Newfoundland and Labrador and Labrador?
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Nov 18, 2015 17:39
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Count Roland posted:My worry with training them is that they'll use their training not just against IS, but against whatever enemies they come across in the future, which could include basically anyone/everyone they live close to. Training militias in the middle east has a long and proud history of backfiring, and I'm not keen to have Canada play a big role in that. Funny you mention this, the US spent some time training Iraqi forces on how to secure their own country (from AQI) and some were even provided with special forces type training. These forces then proceeded to join alongside the radical extremists 
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Dr. Stab posted:Newfoundland and Labrador and Labrador? NewfoundLand and Labrador.
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Count Roland posted:I'm kinda split on the training mission. Western governments arm and train the Kurds. The Kurds declare war on Turkey, a member of NATO. Western governments declare war on the Kurds.
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