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RabidWeasel posted:I was thinking a while back that this would be the best possible way of making weapon loadouts and ship selection more interesting. Then we would be able to have a wide range of weapon strengths balanced by the fact that you can't just fill your ship up with a ton of the same weapon. Combat-focused ships would have more flexible hardpoints or generally allow more powerful weapons such as beams and PACs. Then the relative strength of each weapon no longer needs to be balanced against every other weapon and suddenly missiles can be powerful again etc. Missiles would still be garbage, but now the ships they're must-fit on would also be garbage.
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Bushiz posted:Missiles would still be garbage, but now the ships they're must-fit on would also be garbage. Missiles aren't garbage, they're just exotic and hard to use.
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Nov 18, 2015 16:18
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Libluini posted:they're just exotic and hard to use. i.e. garbage
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Nov 18, 2015 16:19
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Someone on reddit had a great idea re: missiles and torpedoes: instead of being a hardpoint weapon, they could make them like in the older games, where each ship had a set number of pylons you could mount them at. Wouldn't exactly solve the too-low damage or ammo but they wouldn't take up precious hardpoints.
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Nov 18, 2015 16:37
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Chrysophylax posted:Someone on reddit had a great idea re: missiles and torpedoes: instead of being a hardpoint weapon, they could make them like in the older games, where each ship had a set number of pylons you could mount them at. That would look sexy as gently caress on some ships.
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Nov 18, 2015 16:45
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We're getting onboard ship manufacturies which can make ammo so at some point you'll be able to have that module + raw materials in your cargo and craft missile reloads in space. That'll be sweet for medium and large ships.
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Nov 18, 2015 16:47
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Chrysophylax posted:Someone on reddit had a great idea re: missiles and torpedoes: instead of being a hardpoint weapon, they could make them like in the older games, where each ship had a set number of pylons you could mount them at. I would be fine for medium+ ships having a dedicated extra hardpoint for tubular weapons, especially if custom ammo was a thing so you could have missiles that could act as utility They could be really good at collapsing shields, or good at module damage, or they could EMP engines to slow down/stop a target for a while, or scramble gimbaled/turrets to target only friendly targets for a time, . Basically a fun utility hardpoint.
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Nov 18, 2015 17:14
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Horizons will require 64 bit Windows. I can't wait for the out flowing of outraged tears Nostalgia4Infinity fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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Nov 18, 2015 17:32
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RabidWeasel posted:People were asking for shields to regenerate faster so that you could stay in CZs and RES for longer, SCBs were the solution they introduced. It wasn't great. As opposed to the obvious solution of "hey maybe it shouldn't take literally 10+ minutes for the shields of a moderately sized ship to recharge out of combat". At least they're starting to figure it out.
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Nov 18, 2015 17:36
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To pay the extra 10 euros for Horizons Beta access or not to pay for it..
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Nov 18, 2015 17:38
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I'll just wait for full release for me to gently caress in all of these ships, SRVs, and dockable ports.
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Nov 18, 2015 17:42
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It's not even the ships.. I'm sure the rest of the Horizons "season" content will feature beta periods. The question is, do I want into them? Do I care enough?
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no_recall posted:Unsure this has been posted before. That man's friend interdicted me last week. We duked it out in our Condas and he eventually won the battle of the SCBs. Fortunately he didn't kill me after he took out my drives and told me to await his friend who was a Huge Man. Hughmann eventually turned up and opened comms, he sang one of his songs and we chatted. Turns out they were doing some charity stream so my de-panting was watched by a fair few people 
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Nov 18, 2015 19:26
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LCL-Dead posted:To pay the extra 10 euros for Horizons Beta access or not to pay for it.. I need goon pressure to help me make this decision. please
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Nov 18, 2015 19:57
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How about don't loving do it. Not enjoying this craze of games that charge for you to be a beta tester (do other games actually do this?) Fair play to them tho that people are willing to pay a premium for it.
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Nov 18, 2015 20:15
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DarthBlingBling posted:How about don't loving do it. Elite is the first I've come across where they give you the option to pay to beta test new content before it's released to the frothing masses. Not doing it. That's all I needed because I'm not an adult and can't make decisions on my own.
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Nov 18, 2015 20:16
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Honestly I have realized I'm not really bothering with the current betas, so I wouldn't bother with beta access to Horizons. Then again I haven't even purchased horizons yet so. 
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Nov 18, 2015 20:21
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I prefer to have new content delivered in a nice overwhelming truckload. Otherwise you get half of it in bug-ridden beta, and on release you've already seen half the stuff before. Doubly so in a content starved game like Elite.
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Nov 18, 2015 20:25
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I have access to all the betas but I only ever dick around in them for a few hours, then go back to the real game because the betas don't mean dick
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Nov 18, 2015 20:26
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The only thing I really use beta access for is to test drive expensive ships without spending credits on it. I'm not in any rush to pick up Horizons (waiting for things to release to see if it addresses my issues with the game's lack of real content - will probably buy in late next year when it is mostly done and on sale), but if I were I wouldn't spend any extra money on beta personally.
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Nov 18, 2015 20:33
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DarthBlingBling posted:Not enjoying this craze of games that charge for you to be a beta tester (do other games actually do this?)  I've seen a lot of kickstarters that offer the "beta tester" tier. Like, literally, pay us more money to do our troubleshooting for us. It'll be fun, come on guys!
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:
TBH in that way it's not a big deal For an expansion pack of an established game that is already coming out seems really weird though
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Adult Sword Owner posted:TBH in that way it's not a big deal honestly it rubs me the wrong way no matter how they couch it, but otoh i've actually worked in video game qa so the idea of people making it even more exploitative where you need to pay for the honor of doing it feels somewhere between "tom sawyer" and "gently caress you"
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Nov 18, 2015 22:10
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To be fair, while paying for beta access is iffy, it's not like 95% of buyers are writing up bug reports or providing serious feedback. At most their clients are giving Frontier more data.
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Early Access is also a form of beta testing, but you're generally not paying a premium to participate - in fact, it's largely the opposite, Early Access is a bit cheaper than retail. Paying extra for beta access doesn't seem like something I'd ever do.
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Fancy_Lad posted:The only thing I really use beta access for is to test drive expensive ships without spending credits on it. beta is also a good way to test pvp fits in "ideal" environments because nobody runs away from a fight, though I did get in a fight with a corvette while I was in a clipper and we both mutually agreed it was going to take to long for either of us to get killed and just went our separate ways that said, I would never consider buying beta access if I hadn't got the sneaky russian discount
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The pricing and marketing for horizons is probably the strangest thing I've seen out of a videogame ever. Between paying for beta access to an expansion and the way that buying the base game is basically a trap leading up to the horizons release, FDev have made some very strange decisions. Honestly they should have given people with the base game a larger discount and given beta access to everyone or maybe made it some kind of special edition thing where you pay extra for something that will stay in the game forever (like a paintjob or decals) and get beta access as part of that. And really they should have just taken the base game down from the store when horizons was put up and just made it so preordering got you in, what they did just confused people who were new to the scene.
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Tested the corvette in PVP. Get the prismatic shields guys. It'll be worth it. The bi-weave is good for PVE. But prismatic man. That thing holds. The latest changes allowed me to fire off 2x7A SCB's with a single heat sink while firing off my weapons. PVP load out : all MC 1 c3 pulse and 2 C4 PA's. PVE: anything you want Corvette can high wake out easy. Hard to mass lock because of its mass. Cutter is really fast. Can disengage at will.
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no_recall posted:The latest changes allowed me to fire off 2x7A SCB's with a single heat sink while firing off my weapons. 
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Nov 19, 2015 01:28
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Mercurius posted:So much for fixing the SCB spamming meta In my controlled testing environment, VS another Corvette, diff build. (he used 2x IMP hammers, c3 beam, c1 mc's, c4 cannons, +prism shields) You can hull tank, I used bi-weave and silent running. Bi- Weave (even with 3 boosters) went down relatively fast. Bi Weave's recharge is extremely quick, had to micro boosters before popping scb and timing heatsinks. So lots of fiddling. I can foresee this as multicrew gameplay. It was quite intense. Shield tanking is still viable, but a corvette in silent running, he couldn't target me with D sensors until i was 500-800m away. I felt there were many tactical choices opened with the heat from SCB, without heatsinks, your modules will fry, but you can always carry an auto field repair kit (another build option now) and FA OFF/ silent running to repair. It starting to slowly feel very much like Diablo3.
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DarthBlingBling posted:You can't mass lock any ship that's high waking... I apologise, low wake, with PA's and MC's hammered on him at 25% he could still get out. He managed to get out at 19% with me right behind him.
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no_recall posted:In my controlled testing environment, VS another Corvette, diff build. (he used 2x IMP hammers, c3 beam, c1 mc's, c4 cannons, +prism shields) That's a really good point about silent running and hull tanking builds though, I hadn't thought about that.
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Fancy_Lad posted:The only thing I really use beta access for is to test drive expensive ships without spending credits on it. This is why I love the Marvel Heroes beta test center (which is free). Its intended use is for players to demo whatever new stuff they have on it, but you can also use it to see what X character is like at high-levels without spending currency.
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Some more stuff taken from reddit and ED forums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-82VGGFeOyI ============ quote:The Elite Dangerous team are working very hard getting ready for the Horizons beta next week. I have been impressed at what I’ve seen, it’s looking really beautiful; they are doing amazing things. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=201524 ============ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU5kZqukWGQ ============  ============ 
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Man, the FdL is beastly in the beta now. As a guy still in an Eagle with a desire to possibly fly an FDL one day, please tell me what you mean in intimate detail  There's only so long I can swing this around making engine noises: 
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Tirranek posted:As a guy still in an Eagle with a desire to possibly fly an FDL one day, please tell me what you mean in intimate detail It's getting megabuffed. Zorgon Peterson has offered all of its FDL customers a free upgrade kit: slight improvements pitch and roll rates, a larger power plant housing (size 6) and more efficient cooling systems.
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Space Skeleton posted:It's getting megabuffed.
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So I started a couple days ago. Got a couple million and a well fitted Cobra. Is this Robigo thing just go to robigo, take missions, profit or is there some catch I can't find anywhere? Just tired of shooting in belts for the time being so don't really even care if it's going to take forever to make a bunch of cash or w/e. Edit: yeah I guess the big thing is there a minimum cargo size or standing or something I need? A large farva fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Nov 19, 2015 |
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