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Supremezero posted:I can't see any way that you could finagle extracted lines to get it 6 times longer than it is in comparison to SC via characters... I mean, I can definitely see there'd be differences, but that's just way too much of a leap. A lot of ways, really. Line count is x number of text boxes, but says nothing about the average amount of characters in the text boxes. Estelle saying "no" in a single text box is a line, but so are multi-sentence boxes; lines aren't even sentence count.
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Decus posted:A lot of ways, really. Line count is x number of text boxes, but says nothing about the average amount of characters in the text boxes. Estelle saying "no" in a single text box is a line, but so are multi-sentence boxes; lines aren't even sentence count. I know that, but I'm saying that's way too much of a leap. Unless something like half the lines are single words.
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Levantine posted:Yes, it's Kotaku, but: http://thebests.kotaku.com/the-best-jrpg-of-the-decade-so-far-1743320035 That extended arrangement of Sophisticated Fight was honestly worth the click, tbh.
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Levantine posted:Yes, it's Kotaku, but: http://thebests.kotaku.com/the-best-jrpg-of-the-decade-so-far-1743320035 Let's hope SC's sales will steadily continue as people finish the first game and it eventually comes on sale, I've said it before in the Steam thread but it's odd that they're not offering the two chapters together for a lowered price as few people are otherwise going to buy a direct sequel to an already huge JRPG. If Steamspy has even remotely accurate numbers, SC is currently owned by less than 10,000 people whereas the first game is at ~140,000.
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Nov 19, 2015 00:01
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its the downside to the fact that nobody actually plays the games they buy on steam
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Cake Attack posted:its the downside to the fact that nobody actually plays the games they buy on steam Then they can buy and never play SC, too 
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Nov 19, 2015 00:05
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Yeah, I have 21 (out of 150) friends that own/have played FC but only two (one of which is Spacedrake, lol) that own/have played SC. 
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Nov 19, 2015 00:06
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I bought five copies of SC on release date. As far as I know, only 2 copies have been played.
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Supremezero posted:I know that, but I'm saying that's way too much of a leap. Unless something like half the lines are single words. I glanced at the gbatemp thread again and looks like the estimate that it was longer than SC (with no multiplier given) was given by lines. Also, checked and the character counts being quoted for FC and SC go by the scenario books, not the games themselves so they're slightly less accurate as well. NPC dialogue, item, monster book, menus, etc. is not included in those counts. It's possible that's part of the difference? I know crossbell gives you access to more NPCs at once, for example. edit: Aha! Looked into it some more and another common community 'gotcha' is that the scenario count for Zero and Ao are both individually around 2 million characters each and somewhere along the way people combined the two while citing it as just zero as 4 million characters vs. SC's 3 million. edit2: Yep, figured out exactly how the 4x figure happened: working backwards to convert the pure scenario count from SC into a guess on lines and then comparing to full game (menu, NPC, everything) lines in Zero. Kanfy posted:Let's hope SC's sales will steadily continue as people finish the first game and it eventually comes on sale, I've said it before in the Steam thread but it's odd that they're not offering the two chapters together for a lowered price as few people are otherwise going to buy a direct sequel to an already huge JRPG. If Steamspy has even remotely accurate numbers, SC is currently owned by less than 10,000 people whereas the first game is at ~140,000. They are doing that though I think? Unless they stopped it FC was on sale for $9 making the entire package around $40. That's how I bought it since I had FC on PSP and felt like running through it again before I played SC anyway. Decus fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Nov 19, 2015 |
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Nov 19, 2015 00:09
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I'm sure more than just me bought the PSP version, maybe.
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Decus posted:I glanced at the gbatemp thread again and looks like the estimate that it was longer than SC (with no multiplier given) was given by lines. Also, checked and the character counts being quoted for FC and SC go by the scenario books, not the games themselves so they're slightly less accurate as well. NPC dialogue, item, monster book, menus, etc. is not included in those counts. It's possible that's part of the difference? I know crossbell gives you access to more NPCs at once, for example. He means a straight up bundle. Gives you more incentive that way. And the sale has ended, yeah.
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Sakurazuka posted:I'm sure more than just me bought the PSP version, maybe. You are made of stern stuff. I can't imagine playing a game this long on a handheld. But I'm old.
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Levantine posted:You are made of stern stuff. I can't imagine playing a game this long on a handheld. But I'm old. You got it backwards; handheld is perfect for this style of game.
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Levantine posted:You are made of stern stuff. I can't imagine playing a game this long on a handheld. But I'm old. Long games are actually better for handheld. Take them wherever you go.
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Levantine posted:You are made of stern stuff. I can't imagine playing a game this long on a handheld. But I'm old. I like being horizontal for long RPG's
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I have never managed to master the art of handheld gaming RPGs without a sore neck and eyes.
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Yeah, if I owned a PSP I probably would've considered getting the series for it as well. Of course, since SC has cloud saves it meant I could play at both home and work, which was nice. 
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Levantine posted:I have never managed to master the art of handheld gaming RPGs without a sore neck and eyes. Just gotta find that perfect position, man. ... and shift around occasionally.
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I'm sure if there were any game worth suffering on a handheld for it'd be Trails but thank goodness for PC releases IMO.
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Sakurazuka posted:I like being horizontal for long RPG's I played SC in bed, while mostly horizontal and I bought it on PC.
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I'd have bought SC for PSP (or I guess I'd probably own a vita instead of PSTV) if I was still in college maybe, but I was basically out even for FC. Don't really have the desire to handheld anywhere other than home--books or reading or writing on my phone are my go-to for waiting somewhere--and if I'm only going to be playing stuff at home I'd rather have a bigger screen. Cold Steel is the tougher decision in terms of PSTV vs. PS3 since I don't see myself ever getting rid of the smallest console ever but could very well jettison my PS3 for a PS4 within a few years. Will probably just PSTV and then pick up a PC port if it ever exists for collection/longevity purposes.
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Sakurazuka posted:I'm sure more than just me bought the PSP version, maybe. I also did! JRPGs are great for a long commute.
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If you choose to go with Agate instead of Schera after the prologue of SC, is there an entirely different plot line or is it just the same bit but with dialogue changes?
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Nov 19, 2015 01:49
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It's the same story just with different dialogue
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Cake Attack posted:It's the same story just with different dialogue
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Probably it's generally more high effort then just giving two versions of the occasional partner line though. Or it did a good job hiding it, I only did one
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quote:can i safely assume that whenever schera hits on someone, the alternative is agate threatening to murder them More or less. Though Agate is way more powerful, I kinda liked taking Schera just so I could imagine what the hell Agate and Anelace talk about all day.
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swords, and hitting people with said swords
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They'd talk about how they both want to date me, I'd like to think
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Cake Attack posted:They'd talk about how they both want to date me, I'd like to think 
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On my end you've basically got a guaranteed customer for any Trails PC release.SpaceDrake posted:Yes. Mr. Kondo, President of Falcom, has indicated there'll be one more Erebonia game, followed by a Calvard-based series which may close out the story. Quick question about the Calvard Republic. I remember an in FC mention that in the Calvard Republic only Royalty had proper access to airship transport. Is that accurate? I want to track down that line again because it did raise several questions in my head. Note that I've only played some of the prologue and first chapter of SC in case the social structure of the Calvard Republic is made clearer in that. [re-edit] Also, let me just re-iterate how much I've enjoyed FC and what I've seen of SC so far. I've made some posts in here where I've pointed out a couple of little things that I noticed but I didn't post the vast number of things I was impressed by, the mot juste etc since then I would have spent more time posting than playing... I also wouldn't have spent the time reading nearly every single line of NPC dialog. Munin fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Nov 19, 2015 |
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Munin posted:On my end you've basically got a guaranteed customer for any Trails PC release. I'm reasonably sure that's impossible, simply because the Calvard Republic has no royalty. It's a republic. It has a president.
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Supremezero posted:I'm reasonably sure that's impossible, simply because the Calvard Republic has no royalty. It's a republic. It has a president. That's kinda what I expected and why it stuck in my mind.
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For the record I got like ten people into FC when SC came out and all of them are waiting to beat FC before buying SC.
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Zaggitz posted:For the record I got like ten people into FC when SC came out and all of them are waiting to beat FC before buying SC. I've only turned two new people onto FC so far, but I did so by buying them a copy of each game.
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Munin posted:On my end you've basically got a guaranteed customer for any Trails PC release. Yeah, same here, and I'm barely into chapter 4 in FC. I got a copy of SC I haven't touched yet because the amount of time I have available to play FC is sadly pretty small ( ), but I'll probably get Cold Steel at launch or near enough.
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Cake Attack posted:Probably I actually did two and it's indeed a more high-effort version than simply the occasional partner line. Pretty much every conversation has an Agate and Schera variation. I did both and a couple of things stand out. - With Schera, the interaction between Estelle and her partner takes on the typical sibling-flavor you see in Chapter 4 and Schera clearly has a lot of fun poking Estelle over her fear of ghosts. When you first meet the ravens again, they provoke that fight in order to take on Estelle. (with Schera then cracking her whip and reassuring the frightened guys that their spines will surely grow back) When you interrogate Belden afterwards, Schera uses her assets to make him talk and Estelle snarks that sex appeal isn't supposed to be weaponized like that. When you deal with Phelio in the Ruan casino, the order is Estelle-Olivier-Schera, with only Olivier's role remaining unchanged. Estelle manages to use her gung-ho attitude to bluff Phelio and make him fold. Schera uses her skill at card tricks (completely with S-craft cutout) to cheat herself into getting a royal flush. When you briefly meet up with Agate and Anelace in the Kaldia tunnel in Chapter 2, Tita uneasily notes that Agate is travelling with a woman. Whenever Olivier crosses the outrageous-line and Estelle doesn't feel like threatening him, it's usually Schera who gets him back in line. - With Agate, the interaction between Estelle and her partner is obviously a bit more awkward, with Agate trying to act a bit older brother like and getting embarassed and backing off whenever Estelle pokes him over it. When you first meet the ravens, the fight is provoked by Rocco who doesn't like the fact that Agate is still acting like the boss and he wants a match to permanently get Agate off the gang's back. (which obviously fails) When you interrogate Belden afterwards, Agate puts on the strict older-brother role and tells him he ought to man up and make something of himself already. When you deal with Phelio in the Ruan casino, the order is Agate-Olivier-Estelle, with Olivier's round being unchanged. Agate has a bad hand, but when he challenges Phelio, he shoots him such a murderous glance (complete with S-craft cutout) that Phelio promptly wets himself and folds. (or, in Estelle's words, gets folded) Estelle gets the final round and Olivier saves the day by distracting the dealer with his ear-blowing trick and then quickly manipulating the cards while the dealer's trying to figure out what's happening. When you meet up with Schera and Anelace in the Kaldia tunnel, Anelace goes full-blown cuteness-proximity over Tita, glomping her and insisting they're taking her with them. When Olivier joins the party, he quickly categorizes Agate as a massive switchboard of buttons to push and Agate has absolutely no idea on how to deal with that weird guy who's suddenly flirting with him all the time. Yes, it's pretty funny. When you get to Zeiss, Agate's dialogue indicates he's gotten close with the Russells while Estelle was in boot camp. He uncharacteristically brushes aside the insult Russell dishes out when you first visits their home and frequently pokes fun or facepalms over Tita's tendency to space out in front of machinery. In all honesty, despite Estelle and Agate not having the sibling-like closeness that Estelle and Schera have, I still liked Agate's route best. Since he was involved in the events in the Ruan and Zeiss region in FC, he frequently comments on them during the first two chapters, so his presence felt more natural. His extended interaction with Tita also serves as nice build-up for the events in Chapter 5.
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Is there supposed to be a fancy high-level quartz somewhere in Esmelas Altered Space? The professor talks about them when you get back, but I didn't find any.
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Really Pants posted:Is there supposed to be a fancy high-level quartz somewhere in Esmelas Altered Space? The professor talks about them when you get back, but I didn't find any. The first of the towers doesn't have a special quartz, the other 3 each have one.
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