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Lightning Jim posted:Yeah, pretty much. The main thing that convinced mein the first place was one of Alex Jones' "documentaries". It involved footage of local anchors during the OKC bombing talking about a second and third bomb being found at the - that I never heard of before - being carted off. One thing I heard about from the OKC bombing was that people were just nonstop speculating about where other bombs could have been hidden. Basically anything that was big enough to have a bomb in it and had been photographed before the bombing was labelled "a bomb" by somebody, somewhere. People went to ludicrous lengths to logically explain why things like large carts of lunch-related things were actually bombs. I think it even got to the point where photographs completely unrelated to the building were posted as "now see this was in OKC and it is vaguely bomb shaped so obviously this was a bomb in the building!" I figure some of them were jokes (one of them was a dessert cart) but really, some people just want to believe something so bad they'll grasp on to the tiniest shred of credibility. Then you'll have people saying that it was the ATF that blew up the building and just wanted somebody to frame because they wanted to cover up whatever they were hiding in the building. A lot of it does seriously just boil down to literally crazy people deciding that the government is the Illuminati. Everything bad is the government's fault somehow.
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Deep Thought posted:You could show your friend this picture of WTC7 completely snowed under by debris; like it's not even visible, maybe that would hammer the point home? No, WTC7 is the trapezoidal building in the lower right there. Its facing facade is certainly being pummeled by that debris cloud, though.
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Just watched Dr Strangelove and it was interesting that the mad general thought that water fluoridation was a communist plot
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JFairfax posted:Just watched Dr Strangelove and it was interesting that the mad general thought that water fluoridation was a communist plot Here in Austin there are still protests by crazy anti-floridation people. About a year or so ago they were outside of city hall, waving protest signs and trying to get people to honk and support them. They've also made a lot of city council meetings completely unbearable.
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IIRC anti-flouride was a pretty large movement back in the day, even leading to some cities in the world banning it for reasons of public health?
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Basically the same people who fall for the whoo about vaccines and homeopathy get triggered hard by fluoride. Portland banned it outright, it's an obvious and shameful idiocy.
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Peztopiary posted:Basically the same people who fall for the whoo about vaccines and homeopathy get triggered hard by fluoride. Portland banned it outright, it's an obvious and shameful idiocy. Yup. Flouride is probably neurotoxic in high doses, but also has the most obvious warning signs ever, in that your teeth will turn brown first. And of course the limits for water fluoridation is set well below threshold. Shockingly the dose makes the poison again.
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Peztopiary posted:Basically the same people who fall for the whoo about vaccines and homeopathy get triggered hard by fluoride. Portland banned it outright, it's an obvious and shameful idiocy. To be slightly more specific, they banned it in 2013. As in two years ago and not in like the 60s or something.
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Back where I was growing up they didn't fluoridate the water so during elementary school they had us go out in the hall every so often, and swish that fluoride liquid stuff that the dentists had back in the 90s. Why it was only a few of us I don't know, maybe because our parents wrote some angry letters about having their children's teeth rot due to idiots.
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Caconym posted:Yup. Flouride is probably neurotoxic in high doses, but also has the most obvious warning signs ever, in that your teeth will turn brown first. And of course the limits for water fluoridation is set well below threshold. Shockingly the dose makes the poison again.
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Halloween Jack posted:So, how many times would you die of water toxicity before the flouride make you forget where you put your keys? I dunno about acute toxicity. I read some reviews, but it's been a while and I'm phoneposting so here it is by memory: In areas of rural China with very high natural levels of flouride, to the extent that a lot of the population had chronic flourosis (brown teeth), average IQ was down 1 point from control. So if you drink water with several times the western threshold level of flouride your whole life you'll be slighly less smart.
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Caconym posted:I dunno about acute toxicity. Is 1 point of IQ even a big enough change to be statistically noticeable? I thought IQ was a bit of a fudge anyway.
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chitoryu12 posted:Is 1 point of IQ even a big enough change to be statistically noticeable? I thought IQ was a bit of a fudge anyway. Not really. I'd imagine it was just an average change over a population, not by individual.
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Caconym posted:I dunno about acute toxicity. A lot of people just plain fail to understand that "toxic at high levels" does not mean "toxic at all levels." I actually had to explain to somebody recently why ceramic glazes containing toxic materials are actually completely nontoxic. We even test the stuff to make sure and even then sometimes you'll have stuff like "0.5% cobalt" as a glaze ingredient. Yes high levels of cobalt can hurt you but at that level it's impossible to get enough in you by using said ceramic thing for anything bad to happen. The molecules are also all bound up in glass so it's really hard for it to leech out. Impossible sometimes, even. The human body is remarkably durable and very good at getting rid of toxins which is where there are phrases like "acceptable dose" or "safe concentration." Even radiation is acceptable underneath certain thresholds.
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chitoryu12 posted:Is 1 point of IQ even a big enough change to be statistically noticeable? I thought IQ was a bit of a fudge anyway. For modern tests, the standard error of measurement is about three points
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Fried Watermelon posted:For modern tests, the standard error of measurement is about three points This was average across large groups so a lot more sensitive than that. It was definetely significant, but hardly new. Every western nation monitors flouride and removes a bit in areas with high natural levels to get below threshold.
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This might just be the thread where I can finally find an answer. I've been looking for years for a site I read way back in like 1999, early geocities days when I was like 7 or 8 and still susceptible to believing in UFOs and conspiracies and poo poo. The site was called like the AEGIS... something. It was definitely AEGIS, but it could have been project or conspiracy or whatever. Complicating my google-fu is the fact that somebody has apparently written a book called The Aegis conspiracy but that's not it. It was a website where the author of the site had written like 40 to 60 pages outlining this massive conspiracy that (since I was 7 or 8), made perfect sense. I don't really remember what all was in it, but I do remember that Hitler had something to do with Roswell. So you read through all 60 pages and on the last page he says "This is all bullshit. Conspiracies specifically tie together all the loose ends because that's what your brain desperately wants. I made all of this up and you shouldn't believe things just because you want to." It was humbling and probably the best learning experience I'd ever had because I totally bought into the first 60 pages. But the site is lost to the aether. It's probably still in the history of some grammar school computer in West Virginia, but I've never been able to find it again. Maybe someone here has ever heard of it?
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pathetic little tramp posted:This might just be the thread where I can finally find an answer. I've been looking for years for a site I read way back in like 1999, early geocities days when I was like 7 or 8 and still susceptible to believing in UFOs and conspiracies and poo poo. Hitler believed UFOs came from inside the earth. You most likely just read a fiction blog and figured it was real.
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Hey guys I don't know if this lady is popular in the conspiracy world but someone just showed me this "blog" and I'm enjoying it. She's got lizard guys, mkx ultra, the whole lot. Without further ado, I give you Francine Kelly! http://www.network54.com/Forum/535171 Mods if this breaks rules or anything I'll remove it.
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Zombie Boat posted:Hey guys I don't know if this lady is popular in the conspiracy world but someone just showed me this "blog" and I'm enjoying it. She's got lizard guys, mkx ultra, the whole lot. Without further ado, I give you Francine Kelly! That first link is gold. quote:I am being demonically attacked by Reptilian Draconian Vampires at 3001 Thelma Street at East 21st Avenue in East Tampa, Florida. The attacks are in the forms of verbal abuse incited by demons who possess the vampires, and rash-like abrasions under my breasts which are commonly caused by shapeshifters.
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quote:On November 8, 2015, Martha, who I also believe is a demonically possessed Reptilian Draconian Vampire, yelled at me because I was in the bathroom. (Based on my experience, it is the demon or demons inside of Martha that force her to yell instead of talk in a normal voice.) I came out of the bathroom and told Martha that I would take my shower after she used the bathroom. She didn't use the bathroom. Martha's a stone cold reptile bitch
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ToxicSlurpee posted:A lot of people just plain fail to understand that "toxic at high levels" does not mean "toxic at all levels." I actually had to explain to somebody recently why ceramic glazes containing toxic materials are actually completely nontoxic. We even test the stuff to make sure and even then sometimes you'll have stuff like "0.5% cobalt" as a glaze ingredient. Yes high levels of cobalt can hurt you but at that level it's impossible to get enough in you by using said ceramic thing for anything bad to happen. The molecules are also all bound up in glass so it's really hard for it to leech out. Impossible sometimes, even. It's not the chemical, its the dose. Basically everything is toxic in a certain amount. Though many things it would take an absurd amount to hurt you. Thing is most Woo believers think there are Chemicals which are bad, and natural things which are good. Chemicals are made in labs by corporations that they make to make money and kill us, while anything natural is birthed from the womb of mother earth to make us healthy and poo poo. Because mercury, arsenic and ammonia are all perfectly healthy. I read that the government is actually going to look into a lot of all natural cures and start forcing manufactures to actually make things safe because there are enough people who are becoming injured and sick after using stuff.
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twistedmentat posted:I read that the government is actually going to look into a lot of all natural cures and start forcing manufactures to actually make things safe because there are enough people who are becoming injured and sick after using stuff. Doubtful. The supplement industry got its lobbyist hooks in to Congress early on and they've got a lot of safeguards against the FDA properly reviewing them and shutting them down or making them put "this poo poo has no scientific evidence to support it" on the labels.
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Unfortunately, All that will do is feed into the paranoia and persecution complex that sells this poo poo. "Look at how far the government is in the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies, now they are trying to stop you from getting the natural help you need." remusclaw fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Nov 21, 2015 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:Doubtful. Well no, they didn't. They didn't get the hooks in until the 90s with Orrin Hatch, they simply skated by as fly by night operations that still amde the same group of people rich while they weren't legally touchable. So the whole supplement scam was quite big fromt he 70s on, and then with the connivance of congress in the 90s it really exploded. Hell, until the late 80s/early 90s, comprehensive labeling was practically absent from most regular food packaging, let alone Dr. Quack's Supplement Powder.
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Tenzarin posted:Hitler believed UFOs came from inside the earth. Did you read the last two paragraphs of the post you quoted?
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So I was reading a cracked article (yea yea I know) and discovered Juhan af Grann Who looks like this http://i.imgur.com/vfU0qU6.jpg Guy Ferrai if he was a 70s European Porn Star is a pretty accurate description. Anyways, apparently he's some famous UFOologist (those are the awards they give out to them he's holding) that has absolutely crazy batshit insane ideas. Sadly, I cannot find anything about him other than his offical stuff, and I never want to give anyone like this clicks. Even Rationalwiki lacks anything about him. Well, in English, apparently there's tons of stuff in I think Finnish.
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twistedmentat posted:So I was reading a cracked article (yea yea I know) and discovered Juhan af Grann ...Dr. Forrester?
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The Chairman posted:No, WTC7 is the trapezoidal building in the lower right there. Seems to be falling just short of it by my perspective but from this 5 seconds of footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI, I concede you could be right if debris clouds can do that. That appears to be a debris cloud demolition, which is what you're saying?
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What do you guys think of the Zeitgeist film series? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist_%28film_series%29#Synopsis The film disputes the historicity of Jesus (the Christ myth theory) and claims that the September 11 attacks in 2001 were pre-arranged by New World Order forces, and claims that bankers manipulate world events.
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Nearly all historians these days agree Jesus probably existed, because there's nothing implausible in the least about a guy with a common name for the time period and region being born, being a carpenter, and then becoming a sectarian preacher of a new kind of Judaism. There were dozens of people like that known to exist, and what's likely not historical is things like him being particularly targeted by the Romans (they went after most of the same sort of preacher dudes) and that he actually did the miracles.
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fishmech posted:Nearly all historians these days agree Jesus probably existed, because there's nothing implausible in the least about a guy with a common name for the time period and region being born, being a carpenter, and then becoming a sectarian preacher of a new kind of Judaism. There were dozens of people like that known to exist, and what's likely not historical is things like him being particularly targeted by the Romans (they went after most of the same sort of preacher dudes) and that he actually did the miracles. Jesus miracle number 1: bedroom addition done on time under budget.
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Also Jesus' actual name in his native language was essentially Joshua (Yeshua), Jesus just being a several layers deep re-transliteration. So the savior of mankind is a guy named Josh.
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fishmech posted:Also Jesus' actual name in his native language was essentially Joshua (Yeshua), Jesus just being a several layers deep re-transliteration. So the savior of mankind is a guy named Josh. Joe the carpenter
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Did he actually do any carpentry or was that just another fabrication to make him seem more folksy and down to earth?
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fishmech posted:Also Jesus' actual name in his native language was essentially Joshua (Yeshua), Jesus just being a several layers deep re-transliteration. So the savior of mankind is a guy named Josh. I can't remember the comedian who said it, but, "If Jesus was a Jew, what's with the Puerto Rican name?"
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Skellybones posted:Did he actually do any carpentry or was that just another fabrication to make him seem more folksy and down to earth? Since carpentry was a very common trade of the time, there's no reason to think statements he was a carpenter are fake. Do remember that he didn't start doing the "I'm preaching a practically new religion" stuff til he was nearly 30. Guy's gotta eat!
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Skellybones posted:Did he actually do any carpentry or was that just another fabrication to make him seem more folksy and down to earth? There's usually not direct evidence, but more evidence that's kind of weird if you're just making up a story wholesale. Like for example, the whole story about him and his family fleeing after the king wants to kill all the sons born in a certain time period. We know for a fact that this event didn't happen. You might then be asking "well, doesn't this prove Jesus didn't exist?" Instead, it shows the opposite. You see, one of the Jewish prophecies about the Messiah is that he's from Bethlehem, the city of David (a pretty important city for Israel). Yet in all of the narratives, Jesus is always called "Jesus of Nazareth"; Nazareth is kind of a middle of nowhere town. It'd be like predicting the Chosen One being born in San Francisco but instead they're from Spokane, Washington. If you're making up a story wholesale, it's a lot easier to just say "Yeah Jesus was from Bethlehem, no big deal", but instead he was technically born in Bethlehem but had to flee due to an imaginary event and then later relocated to this middle of nowhere town. That sort of evidence shows that Jesus was a real person, and scholars were trying to have his background make sense with existing Jewish prophecy about the Messiah. Once you take it as granted that Jesus was real, it's decent enough to imagine that he had a common job (carpentry) and probably preached a bit.
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Deep Thought posted:Seems to be falling just short of it by my perspective but from this 5 seconds of footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI, I concede you could be right if debris clouds can do that. That appears to be a debris cloud demolition, which is what you're saying? no, that's just air being ejected from the building as it collapses. a building by definition encloses space, that space is full of air. as the building compresses the air gets squeezed out, sometimes very forcefully. same principle as an accordion you'll notice the ejections happen as the building starts to collapse, which could be consistent with a demolition, or a collapsing building. they both look extremely similar. the problem is that controlled or uncontrolled demolitions have to be prepared ahead of time, and there is zero evidence of anyone carrying large amounts of explosives into any of the world trade center buildings before they collapsed. and if you really want to just destroy stuff, lighting a fire is way easier boner confessor fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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fishmech posted:Since carpentry was a very common trade of the time, there's no reason to think statements he was a carpenter are fake. Do remember that he didn't start doing the "I'm preaching a practically new religion" stuff til he was nearly 30. Guy's gotta eat! I'm too lazy to look it up, but within the last few years I read an article saying that the proper translation for whatever equaled "carpenter" was more like "handyman". Whatever the word was, it denoted someone who did a variety of tasks. No idea how correct that was...
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