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Protest in minneapolis still going strong
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 05:46 |
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# ? May 31, 2024 03:05 |
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This map owns
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 05:54 |
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America is in the midst of a conservative revolution; our best and brightest, our most politically astute --- read: opportunistic --- understand the way which the wind is blow'n and are making bank hitching their personal brands on the Trump, the Rubio, the Cruz wagons. Kasich? All his proposals are what Bill Clinton would say, were he running this election [and despite what folks say, he's really not]. To understand this revolution in American politics, to appreciate how the modern age of Republicanism no longer can depend upon Democratic institutions to mediate politics, is to be able to accurately predict the next policy proposals of the beltway class. Far too often have I heard --- whether its in some of America's greatest cities, rural bars, or internet communities --- that 'you need to leave that beltway mindset in DC.' Well, America, I'm here to tell ya: You're now the beltway, and the beltway is you. Embrace it and lean in. What's that mean in practical terms? It means that, when you understand the logic behind why people love America, you cab predict how candidates will embrace that love in their policy positions. Take, for instance, Kasich's most moderate of moderate proposals; rather than shut down American mosques, as a majority of the contenders polling above 5% this month in his same contest would, Kasich proposes that America institute a Department of Judeo-Christian Values. Why? Because America was founded on Judeo-Christian values, and the one common trait amongst those who would attack us is their lack thereof. Therefore, Kasich would use government intervention to promote ideals that our founding fathers would recognize. Therein lies the most moderate of moderate Republican positions: Government intervention can have impact on ideas. It is an ideal shared by the Democratic candidates [except, perhaps, Chaffee] and rejected by all the other Republican candidates because it relies upon government intervention. The question you should be asking when you considet the policy possibilities in America isn't what impact the policy will have upon individuals; that 'mezzo/micro' interaction doesn't matter for Republicans any more. What you should be asking is what the 'macro/mezzo' interaction of policy will be. Translation: is it a question of government intervention, or one of individualism? You can see this play out with other candidates: Trump doesn't wish to send muslim americans to concentration camps; that would be a 'mezzo/micro' interaction. Trump wants a 'macro/mezzo' interaction when he proposes that mosques in America be shut down; he would use macro policy to impact the mezzo-level institutions of community, thus ignoring the question of government intervention in the mind of the American electorate. You see, the American electorate still has trust is 'macro/mezzo' interactions; what they don't trust is the 'macro/micro' nor the 'mezzo/micro' interactions, the ones which take the form of Obamacare (macro/micro) and nonprofit resettling of refugees (mezzo/micro). With those basic parameters in mind, I encourage you to explore any potential American policy you can think of, all while asking what sort of interaction it is, and who's primary it would pass muster in.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 05:57 |
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Protest in minneapolis still going strong Police/protestors, and especislly police/minorities is, for the most part, a mezzo/micro interaction; therefore, Americans by and large don't give a poo poo. Sometimes, the protesters brand it as a macro/micro conflict, one of the institution of institutions itself versus the individual experience, in which case #CopLivesMatter and #AllLivesMatter are the result from the silent majority. This is a failed implementation of activism and is required to be clarified upon by activists if they wish to win over the silent majority.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:00 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:How do my expressed views differ from the American mainstream? How about you stop being difficult and start following the law.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:07 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:This is a failed implementation of activism and is required to be clarified upon by activists if they wish to win over the silent majority. The silent majority does not exist, and probably never existed.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:07 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:America is in the midst of a conservative revolution; our best and brightest, our most politically astute --- read: opportunistic --- understand the way which the wind is blow'n and are making bank hitching their personal brands on the Trump, the Rubio, the Cruz wagons. Kasich? All his proposals are what Bill Clinton would say, were he running this election [and despite what folks say, he's really not]. I just wanted to thank you for my gig in Chicago, it's the best job I've ever had
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:09 |
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lol at trying to apply logic to american politics. This is a country that polls Kynect at 57% and Obamacare at 33%
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:12 |
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America tried to implement a Department of Judeo-Christian Values but its mission changed after its headquarters were occupied by some refugees of sorts who did not share its values.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:13 |
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nachos posted:lol at trying to apply logic to american politics. This is a country that polls Kynect at 57% and Obamacare at 33% Like I said, Obamacare is felt as macro-level policy implemented at the micro-level, aka your life being micromanaged by bureaucrats. Nobody gives a poo poo about mezzo/micro interactions less they perceive them as macro/micro interactions, ie minorities w/r/t American policing policy GalacticAcid posted:America tried to implement a Department of Judeo-Christian Values but its mission changed after its headquarters were occupied by some refugees of sorts who did not share its values. FYI, this ain't the loving 70's, fuckwit. We don't got no Nixon to implement EPA around.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:14 |
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More detail on potential refugee legislation in Congress:quote:WASHINGTON — The White House on Wednesday threatened a presidential veto of House Republican legislation aimed at increasing screenings for Syrian and Iraqi refugees before they enter the United States, calling new requirements in the bill "untenable." I like how this is their reasonable compromise bill. The heads of DHS, NIC, and FBI have to approve each one. But Heritage says even that gives too much power to Obama appointees. And of course, some fools are issuing shutdown threats.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:22 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:America is in the midst of a conservative revolution; our best and brightest, our most politically astute --- read: opportunistic --- understand the way which the wind is blow'n and are making bank hitching their personal brands on the Trump, the Rubio, the Cruz wagons. Kasich? All his proposals are what Bill Clinton would say, were he running this election [and despite what folks say, he's really not]. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's MIGF who doesn't deserve a response, but I just want to figure out if I can successfully interpret this meaningless bullshit. Let's give it a shot, shall we? quote:America is becoming more conservative.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:23 |
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's MIGF who doesn't deserve a response, but I just want to figure out if I can successfully interpret this meaningless bullshit. Let's give it a shot, shall we? Not entirely true; folks like how the government changes how some communities interact with people, while they tend to hate when those same actions are carried out by government directly to people. Otherwise a pretty decent summation, I think?
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:34 |
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Pook Good Mook posted:TV stations could do it on their own without government direction no problem because they aren't state actors, private parties can't violate other party's rights. I'll be stunned if tv stations willingly turn down that sweet, sweet tv ad money
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:38 |
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What really gets to me is the sheer number of people pouring out of the woodwork to insist that we can't help refugees because of but homeless veterans or but they'd be so much better off in a Muslim country!
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:44 |
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William Bear posted:More detail on potential refugee legislation in Congress: It takes a lot to push through my defensive walls of despair and apathy these days, but stuff like this pretty much does it. How is it a "compromise" not to question the religion of refugees and potentially deny them entry into the country on that basis? How is it anything less than a complete outrage that there are serious national figures suggesting that? This past week is making me more nervous about the future than the immediate aftermath of 9/11 ever did.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:45 |
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MPD has started using tear gas. It's probably going to end poorly now.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:46 |
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Silver Nitrate posted:MPD has started using tear gas. It's probably going to end poorly now. Right after the media started leaving, surprise!
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:48 |
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Silver Nitrate posted:MPD has started using tear gas. It's probably going to end poorly now. It's been a few years since they've been able to put on riot gear and go to town: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Republican_National_Convention#Protests quote:Before the convention began, search warrants were executed by Ramsey County Sheriff Bob Fletcher[49] in coordination with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.[50] Six persons who were a part of the organizing group, the RNC Welcoming Committee, were arrested when police executed search warrants on a handful of homes in Minneapolis and Saint Paul during the weekend preceding the convention.[51]
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:50 |
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I think that the RNC riot is a big part of why they haven't cracked down hardcore yet.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:52 |
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The police are just doing their job
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 06:53 |
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Meg From Family Guy posted:The police are just doing their job He's not wrong.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 07:01 |
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Freedom of assembly comes to mind, had the crowd done anything illegal that would warrant being gassed? Did a video of the shooting ever come out?
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 07:02 |
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Epic High Five posted:Freedom of assembly comes to mind, had the crowd done anything illegal that would warrant being gassed? They've been blockading the police station all day. Nothing violent (sans a few rocks thrown at unoccupied, parked police cars) though. The whole reason for the protest is to have the video released. From what the authorities say, it isn't conclusive. Also, the investigators are trying to figure out if he was cuffed or if the handcuffs on the ground fell out of someone's pocket. It's kind of a cluster gently caress. Edit: It seems to have calmed down for the night, thankfully. There were a few really tense moments.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 07:07 |
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William Bear posted:More detail on potential refugee legislation in Congress: its just a way to slow the processes down to a trickle but look moderate enough that it will the layman mad when obama vetos it.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 07:18 |
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Fried Chicken posted:Last year the value of all civil asset forfeiture was greater than the value of all burglaries in the US Organized crime being responsible for more losses than random smalltime operators is neither surprising nor new. Edit: This still works when you take into account that 2/3s of it was extorting a profit share from bankers and Toyota. Harik fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Nov 19, 2015 |
# ? Nov 19, 2015 07:25 |
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In Syria news, Madeleine Albright continues to be cool, good.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 08:58 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its just a way to slow the processes down to a trickle but look moderate enough that it will the layman mad when obama vetos it. Also impeachment proceedings and lawsuits for any Obama appointee who's signed off on a Syrian refugee who gets caught driving drunk or whatever.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 09:20 |
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Hey look, Republicans appealed to 'Common Sense' again, as if they had any sense to begin with. I really hate that phrase.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 12:41 |
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Apologies if this has been posted already but this is just disgusting quote:Rhode Island state Sen. Elaine Morgan (R) said in an email Tuesday that she opposes resettling Syrian refugees because "[t]he Muslim religion and philosophy is to murder, rape, and decapitate anyone is a non Muslim." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/state-senator-syrian-refugee-camps_564ca10fe4b08cda348ba78a
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 13:09 |
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So, Obama is going to call Cruz scared to his face right? I see very little downside at this point.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 13:10 |
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Mitt Romney posted:They should hire some guy dressed in a diaper to follow Vitter around. Hell, we could do that.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 13:17 |
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I just don't see how Obama can, in good conscious, ignore the overwhelming will of American opinion against accepting Syrian refugees. Obama says to trust him, that all the migrants will be vetted --- how can you trust an aparatus unable to solve the root of the problem?
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 13:21 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:I just don't see how Obama can, in good conscious, ignore the overwhelming will of American opinion against accepting Syrian refugees. Obama says to trust him, that all the migrants will be vetted --- how can you trust an aparatus unable to solve the root of the problem? I'm pretty sure it's not overwhelming so much as it is some people are loudly making GBS threads their pants. EDIT Oh, right. Didn't see who I was talking to. I lurk too much.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 13:33 |
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He's right. Lowtax needs to step down.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 13:34 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:Is that a yes, or a no? Why is the federal government forcing state governors to resettle potentially thousands of antisemites? Truly, I am at a loss for explanation. How many of the Syrian refugees that Obama seeks to resettle have ever attended even one synagogue service to understand another faith's traditions? Are Syrian refugees being screened for antisemitism? These are the difficult, yet surprisingly simple, questions that the Obama administration refuses to answer, likely because knowing would make them look bad. I hope they're all anti-semitic on the off-chance that one of them terrorisms you.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 13:39 |
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MIGF isn't actually Jewish. Might not even be American, for that matter.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 13:47 |
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The Larch posted:MIGF isn't actually Jewish. Might not even be American, for that matter. Are you questioning his loyalty to the great Semitic Republic of the USA?
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 13:54 |
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Dr. Tough posted:lol at everyone in this thread losing their poo poo over all this. Have you guys been under a rock for the last few decades? This is minor league stuff for the GOP I don't know. Granted, I wasn't around for segregation and whatnot--but I feel like the naked aggression and pants-making GBS threads xenophobia has ratcheted to a fever pitch on the right to an amplitude that feels groundswell-y. Unapologetic racism and exclusionary politics...and these people aren't being admonished--they're tolerated. When we have politicians openly advocating internment camps and vetting refugees based on religious.... Am I wrong for being concerned? This safety obsession was bad enough after 9/11, but the chicken-little, boot-quaking fear espoused by the GOP is really scary stuff. We have already given up an incredible amount of privacy.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 14:13 |
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the_paradigm_shift posted:So, Obama is going to call Cruz scared to his face right? I see very little downside at this point. Watch him do it at the SOTU if this is going on at that time.
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# ? Nov 19, 2015 14:19 |