|
radical meme posted:This went right over my head. Is it a reference to the Democrats that wanted to vote for the bills? Did they really believe Obama was going to cover their rear end after what he said at the G20? Is there a news story on it; specifically about the 15 referenced by Jomentum? I found a Vox article but it I'd be interested in knowing more. Here's a Roll Call piece that mentions the 15 Blue Dogs. zoux posted:Veto override is 2/3s of the total membership, not 2/3s of present voting members? Present voting.
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 20:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 20:13 |
|
|
Joementum posted:
That's not correct. To override a veto you need 2/3 of the entire body.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 20:42
|
|
|
Should I be hunkering down for WWIII or what
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 20:42
|
|
|
It's WW IV now get it right.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 20:44
|
|
|
Pook Good Mook posted:That's not correct. To override a veto you need 2/3 of the entire body. According to the Congressional Research Service it's two thirds of the members voting, a quorum being present.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 20:44
|
|
|
Meanwhile, someone decided a good thing to do at Harvard would be to put black tape over the faces of portraits of black professors outside a lecture hall.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 20:44
|
|
|
euphronius posted:It's WW IV now get it right. But Einstein assured me that war would be fought with rocks and sticks!
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 20:44
|
|
|
Luigi Thirty posted:Meanwhile, someone decided a good thing to do at Harvard would be to put black tape over the faces of portraits of black professors outside a lecture hall. BLM should stop harassing law students, and maybe those law students, who stand to become some of the wealthiest Americans, wouldn't have to be so racist!
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 20:47
|
|
|
The Senate has concluded all pre-Thanksgiving voting. The last recorded vote was on Peter William Bodde to become Ambassador to Libya, which was 95-0. He was nominated for the position 135 days ago.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 20:50
|
|
|
Joementum posted:According to the Congressional Research Service it's two thirds of the members voting, a quorum being present. Well I'll be damned. Today I learned something.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 20:51
|
|
|
Joementum posted:The Senate has concluded all pre-Thanksgiving voting. The last recorded vote was on Peter William Bodde to become Ambassador to Libya, which was 95-0. He was nominated for the position 135 days ago. (Actually that's a silly question, they've "passed a bill that tightens restrictions on the resettlement of Syrian and Iraqi refugees, amid security concerns.")
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 20:52
|
|
|
Grouchio posted:Is the House starting to crack at the seams under Ryan's tenure juuust yet? Well, today's vote had no debate, didn't go through committee, both of which were things Ryan promised to change from the Boehner days. I doubt even the process loonies in the HFC care on this issue, but it's a sign that Ryan's willing to go around regular order when it suits him and they'll start to care very quickly once appropriations get in the mix.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 20:54
|
|
|
Speaking of Ryan http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/19/paul-ryan-tells-sean-hannity-will-not-support-cuts-muslim-immigration-thats-not/ Also Breitbart is now referring to any refugee conversation as "Muslim Immigration" Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Nov 19, 2015 |
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 20:54
|
|
|
Wait did Congress actually pass a bill that can't be vetoed by Obama? What's in it?
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:00
|
|
|
No.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:00
|
|
|
Nonsense posted:BLM should stop harassing law students, and maybe those law students, who stand to become some of the wealthiest Americans, wouldn't have to be so racist! Uh when is the last time you looked into the legal industry.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:00
|
|
|
I think I've stumbled upon an argument that makes the refugee panickers think twice if nothing else. The "America is a nation of immigrants argument." Specifically, the "we have seen all of this before and we will see it again" strain. "This is a country where the Irish were denigrated as drunkards and feared for their secret loyalty to the Pope, where the Chinese were hated for stealing good honest jobs, where the Japanese were loathed and kept in internment camps. Now these people are productive parts of American society. The Syrian refugees would be no different. The American melting pot is undefeated."
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:01
|
|
|
gently caress these gutless fear mongers. quote:“Frankly, my sense is more and more of my colleagues feel the same way,” he said, adding there was a “lack of a compelling reason to vote ‘no.'” It's just so haaaaarrrd to explain to voters; so I'm just gonna do the easy thing. But realistically, it's probably an issue that will be forgotten by January 1. radical meme fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Nov 19, 2015 |
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:03
|
|
|
JT Jag posted:I think I've stumbled upon an argument that makes the refugee panickers think twice if nothing else. "Nice try, but they weren't bloodthirsty religious fanatics bent on destroying our way of life" - terrified racists.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:04
|
|
|
SpiderHyphenMan posted:Wait did Congress actually pass a bill that can't be vetoed by Obama? The House did (barely). The Senate won't. quote:What's in it? A bunch of stuff.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:04
|
|
|
Hulk Krogan posted:"Nice try, but they weren't bloodthirsty religious fanatics bent on destroying our way of life" - terrified racists.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:06
|
|
|
JT Jag posted:Your simulacrum of a terrified racist said nice try, which I consider points in my favor. Plus the Irish and Italians were dirty papists intent on destroying our Protestant way of life. So... ya. Edit: poo poo you already mentioned that. My bad.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:15
|
|
|
alpha_destroy posted:Plus the Irish and Italians were dirty papists intent on destroying our Protestant way of life. So... ya. And the Chinese and Japanese got caricatured as murderous oriental degenerates who couldn't wait to get their yellowing fingernails on all the white women.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:20
|
|
|
Basically my argument to people freaking the gently caress out is "Hey, have you played Bioshock Infinite? That was some real poo poo. This ain't new. Take a breath, America is bigger than this."
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:22
|
|
|
Captain_Maclaine posted:But Einstein assured me that war would be fought with rocks and sticks! Well, I mean, at least one side will be using rocks and sticks.  Refugees will be that side
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:26
|
|
|
JT Jag posted:Basically my argument to people freaking the gently caress out is "Hey, have you played Bioshock Infinite? That was some real poo poo. This ain't new. Take a breath, America is bigger than this." I would just keep quoting the "Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses" quote from the Statue of Liberty over and over.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:28
|
|
|
WampaLord posted:I would just keep quoting the "Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses" quote from the Statue of Liberty over and over. Uh sorry that poem is by some Zionist Jew and doesn't represent True American Values.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:31
|
|
|
SpiderHyphenMan posted:Wait did Congress actually pass a bill that can't be vetoed by Obama? Not at all, if it gets vetod, the dems will pull support.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:32
|
|
|
WampaLord posted:I would just keep quoting the "Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses" quote from the Statue of Liberty over and over.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:33
|
|
|
I've tried a lot of approaches at this point and most of them end with the other person falling back on "well I just don't want terrorists coming in here and killing us, that's all." At that point I'll talk about how the refugee process is way slower, more expensive, and more heavily scrutinized than say, trying to get a tourist visa, and that the only people we're really hurting by denying refugees are the victims of ISIS. I don't know if that convinces anyone but they usually stop responding after that point.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:34
|
|
|
WampaLord posted:I would just keep quoting the "Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses" quote from the Statue of Liberty over and over. "That sentiment only counted during the 19th century when we had a frontier to expandand most immigrants were white or closer to it, these days we don't have room enough for them all even if they weren't a security threat!" - a paraphrase of an actual argument I've heard here in D&D.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:34
|
|
|
Here; I made a nice chart for anybody who finds somebody complaining about Syrian refugees. Based off of the statistics found here: http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/stretching-facts-on-syrian-refugees/ 
FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Nov 19, 2015 |
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:36
|
|
|
Kit Walker posted:I've tried a lot of approaches at this point and most of them end with the other person falling back on "well I just don't want terrorists coming in here and killing us, that's all." At that point I'll talk about how the refugee process is way slower, more expensive, and more heavily scrutinized than say, trying to get a tourist visa, and that the only people we're really hurting by denying refugees are the victims of ISIS. I don't know if that convinces anyone but they usually stop responding after that point.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:37
|
|
|
 USPol November: Hey America, I can see your isolationism showing!
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:37
|
|
|
I need to stop reading about politics while at work, I don't usually want a drink this early in the day...
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:39
|
|
|
BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Personally, I think he should call them out on it. Tbf it was really hard for FDR to stand for anything, much less as a bulwark to tyranny
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:39
|
|
|
JT Jag posted:Basically my argument to people freaking the gently caress out is "Hey, have you played Bioshock Infinite? That was some real poo poo. This ain't new. Take a breath, America is bigger than this." I remember a few years ago (like early-mid 2012) people were getting weirdly nervous about "i-i-is American society tearing itself apart?????" and I took gleeful delight in telling them about how the real gold standard for civil unrest in this country is when the Secret Service flies the President to Camp David because D.C.'s just a little too hot.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:39
|
|
|
Greatbacon posted:I need to stop reading about politics while at work, I don't usually want a drink this early in the day... This last week has been murder on my productivity.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:42
|
|
|
The Jaguars winning last week is probably the only thing that kept me from going into a massive depressive spiral. Hopefully the fascade can continue tonight!
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:46
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 20:13 |
|
|
ratbert90 posted:Here; I made a nice chart for anybody who finds somebody complaining about Syrian refugees. That's a dead link. Also I don't think that the number of Syrian refugees is a strong argument, it only takes one person to commit an act of terror that kills dozens or more. I think the stronger argument is one of American (espoused) values and the warnings of history. Besides I think every one knows the REAL reason libtards care about this poo poo: 
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2015 21:47
|
|
