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Nov 17, 2015 17:23
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KyloWinter posted:apoth is bloat Agreed. Let nuffle's will be done. VVVVVVVVVVVVVV You go through just about every game saving it in case someone important dies, its a ton of tv that you never use! There's a reason everyone takes the apo. It's actually really good if you don't like having to replace important pieces all the time. 
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Nov 17, 2015 17:33
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My 1480TV Bret team disagrees. I have used the app multiple times to save a lvl 6 Blitzer from a start injury, and now even death. However in a more balanced team I would agree with you.
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Nov 17, 2015 18:01
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Evernoob posted:My 1480TV Bret team disagrees. I have used the app multiple times to save a lvl 6 Blitzer from a start injury, and now even death. Play some skaven for a while and learn how useless the apo really is.
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Nov 19, 2015 09:38
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Just thought of something: If you keep your Bank at 150k (throw away extra cash by buying/selling staff) then you could in theory always buy an apo from inducements. Getting that 50k back from your earnings. HMMMM. Last night I turn 2 Fouled a 6Str Kroxigor with my Dirty Peasant (surrounded by 5 players) -> Injury : -1strength. HA!. I did get a red card but totally worth it! PS : It was a lvl 2 Kroxi with 6str. If your very first roll on a Big Guy was a 12, would you take +STR? I'd go for Block ...
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Nov 19, 2015 12:55
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Evernoob posted:Just thought of something: If you keep your Bank at 150k (throw away extra cash by buying/selling staff) then you could in theory always buy an apo from inducements. Getting that 50k back from your earnings. But what on earth would be the point?
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Nov 19, 2015 13:07
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That's a hard choice, i'd want to go for block ideally, but a 6str krox is going to be a massive pain by being a double/triple red die for the enemy unless he commits four/five 3str units to it. I'd probably go for strength just because I could punch the other big guy at the end of every turn for a laugh. Hell, I already give my block krox the ball every touchback. DINOBOWL
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Nov 19, 2015 17:55
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Mr. Squishy posted:But what on earth would be the point? For min/maxing your team's value so that you get matched up against weaker opponents. Yeah, I don't get it either.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:16
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So, is the implementation of Diving Tackle broken (in BB2) or did I miss a rules tidbit? Had my Saurus with it standing next to a Beastman and a Chaos Warrior. Chaos warrior tries to dodge away, I don't get asked whether or not to use DT. He fails, uses a reroll, again I don't get asked and this time he succeeds. Of course that turned out to be the blitz that allowed him to score in the same turn 
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Nov 19, 2015 23:32
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Washout posted:Play some skaven for a while and learn how useless the apo really is. Ignore multiple injuries in case important rat gets hurt. Reroll niggling injury, get death.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:39
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Perestroika posted:So, is the implementation of Diving Tackle broken (in BB2) or did I miss a rules tidbit? Had my Saurus with it standing next to a Beastman and a Chaos Warrior. Chaos warrior tries to dodge away, I don't get asked whether or not to use DT. He fails, uses a reroll, again I don't get asked and this time he succeeds. Of course that turned out to be the blitz that allowed him to score in the same turn Did your saurus end up on his rear end? Because if so then DT worked and the CW just rolled well.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:40
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Coolguye posted:Did your saurus end up on his rear end? Because if so then DT worked and the CW just rolled well. Nope, he remained just where he was, and I think the log mentioned that the dodges were just against the regular old 3+.
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Nov 19, 2015 23:55
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Tiler Kiwi posted:Ignore multiple injuries in case important rat gets hurt. But are they really injuries? I guess the line rats curious tendency to change their names after getting hit does injure your bank account...
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Nov 20, 2015 00:05
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Perestroika posted:Nope, he remained just where he was, and I think the log mentioned that the dodges were just against the regular old 3+. The game will only ask you about Diving Tackle if it's against a roll it would cause to fail. Something that would succeed anyways, like rolling a 6, doesn't proc it.
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Nov 20, 2015 00:29
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Perestroika posted:So, is the implementation of Diving Tackle broken (in BB2) or did I miss a rules tidbit? Had my Saurus with it standing next to a Beastman and a Chaos Warrior. Chaos warrior tries to dodge away, I don't get asked whether or not to use DT. He fails, uses a reroll, again I don't get asked and this time he succeeds. Of course that turned out to be the blitz that allowed him to score in the same turn I have a lot of DT on some of my teams. It works perfectly fine. It probably happened too fast for you to notice, but the first roll was probably a 1 or a roll that would have failed with out you using diving tackle, so he failed and gave you no prompt. The second dodge was probably a 5 or a 6, a roll that would have succeeded even if you did dive for him. So the game didnt give you a prompt because all DT would have done would have been to put your player on his rear end for no reason. It's different that what you might be used to in BB1, but they actually got DT perfectly right this time around. The prompt ONLY appears when it would make a difference. So any time you see the DT prompt, it's basically asking you 'do you want to cause a turnover, y/n?' and you wont see the prompt if the dodge was a natural fail, or a roll too high for DT to matter.
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Nov 20, 2015 01:47
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Unless you play against elves, where it procs and you go "HAHAHA, gently caress YOU" only for dodge to activate and he gets around you anyway.
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Nov 20, 2015 10:09
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Jade Star posted:I have a lot of DT on some of my teams. It works perfectly fine. It probably happened too fast for you to notice, but the first roll was probably a 1 or a roll that would have failed with out you using diving tackle, so he failed and gave you no prompt. The second dodge was probably a 5 or a 6, a roll that would have succeeded even if you did dive for him. So the game didnt give you a prompt because all DT would have done would have been to put your player on his rear end for no reason. Oh okay, that makes sense. I thought you'd have to choose whether to use it before the roll is actually made, not afterwards. That actually makes the skill even better than I thought. Thanks!
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Nov 20, 2015 10:12
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dogstile posted:Unless you play against elves, where it procs and you go "HAHAHA, gently caress YOU" only for dodge to activate and he gets around you anyway. I'm not 100% sure i'm remembering this perfectly, but I've diving tackled a player and caused what would have been a turn over, player kicks in a reroll and then rolls a 6 to dodge and escapes. During the rereoll rewind animation my dude stood back up and when the dodge reroll was made my dude did not dive again. No prompt was given, player stood on his feet. So DT triggered the first time and forced the team reroll and when he did reroll successfully, my guy stayed standing. Which if i recall correctly was not how it worked in BB1. If you DT'd the first dodge, you DT'd the reroll even if it wouldn't matter. Also in news of concede bowl 2: Concede harder, I got great game in today. My 1600ish chaos, vs some 1450ish orcs. He receives the kick and lines up heavy to paste my los fodder. POMB orc on the line rolls double push, rereolls to dub skulls, concedes. Victory in 4 dice.
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Nov 20, 2015 10:46
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I've seen that too, turn 1 turnovers are almost guaranteed concedes (usually happens with their Big Guy who failed his loner reroll). Easyest 10SPP and 100k credits ever. Also pretty much the only way I get SPP on my Brettonian blockers. (PS : Wrestle/Strip Ball combo is the best poo poo ever... add in Tackle and you're a monster)
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Nov 20, 2015 11:18
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Evernoob posted:I've seen that too, turn 1 turnovers are almost guaranteed concedes (usually happens with their Big Guy who failed his loner reroll). Now do that only on an AG4 player with leap and watch the fouls rain down.
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Nov 20, 2015 11:33
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Voyager I posted:Now do that only on an AG4 player with leap and watch the fouls rain down. I am usually the one fouling (usually around 3x per half whenever I can get 4 players around a prone opponent). But I don't do it out of spite or whatever, but its a core part of the strategy of my team. When my opponent complaints it is lame, I just point out that getting MB/Claw/PO or is also to have a bigger chance at injuring players.
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Nov 20, 2015 12:43
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Evernoob posted:I am usually the one fouling (usually around 3x per half whenever I can get 4 players around a prone opponent). But I don't do it out of spite or whatever, but its a core part of the strategy of my team. And if they say that fouling is different because it doesn't give spp, you can laugh at the concept of wanting peasant levels.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:30
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Peasants foul because they're dirty in both appearance AND nature!
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Nov 20, 2015 18:32
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I gangfouled an ag5 dark elf blitzer until it died. Then I gangfouled all the elves until none were left on the pitch. Scoring sometimes isn't as interesting as stomping someone's sandcastle.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:53
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Perestroika posted:So, is the implementation of Diving Tackle broken (in BB2) or did I miss a rules tidbit? Had my Saurus with it standing next to a Beastman and a Chaos Warrior. Chaos warrior tries to dodge away, I don't get asked whether or not to use DT. He fails, uses a reroll, again I don't get asked and this time he succeeds. Of course that turned out to be the blitz that allowed him to score in the same turn Are you sure that's Diving Tackle and not Break Tackle on your Saurus? But yeah as said they implemented diving tackle so it's impossible to just lie your guy down for no effect, it's real nice.
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Nov 20, 2015 19:11
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KyloWinter posted:I gangfouled an ag5 dark elf blitzer until it died. Then I gangfouled all the elves until none were left on the pitch. Scoring sometimes isn't as interesting as stomping someone's sandcastle. You're doing gods work son
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Nov 20, 2015 20:13
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EthanSteele posted:Are you sure that's Diving Tackle and not Break Tackle on your Saurus? But yeah as said they implemented diving tackle so it's impossible to just lie your guy down for no effect, it's real nice. I can think of a few scenarios where I'd want to fall down in someone's footsteps but it speeds the game up.
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Nov 20, 2015 20:48
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Evernoob posted:I am usually the one fouling (usually around 3x per half whenever I can get 4 players around a prone opponent). But I don't do it out of spite or whatever, but its a core part of the strategy of my team. When Jade Star streamed the other day, the guy he was playing with was obviously new and thought surfing was the same as fouling. Cue 10 minutes of the guy bitching about how fouling/surfing wasn't friendly and he wanted a nice friendly match before finally ragequitting after Jade actually fouled him. I think someone was gonna highlight it soon. Fake Edit: yep here it is in all its noobish glory. http://www.twitch.tv/sa_jadestar/v/26682967
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Nov 20, 2015 21:24
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Brainamp posted:When Jade Star streamed the other day, the guy he was playing with was obviously new and thought surfing was the same as fouling. Cue 10 minutes of the guy bitching about how fouling/surfing wasn't friendly and he wanted a nice friendly match before finally ragequitting after Jade actually fouled him. I think someone was gonna highlight it soon. Surfing doesn't give SPP. It removes players, potentially injuring/killing them. It is the same as fouling.
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Nov 20, 2015 21:56
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Victor Vermis posted:Surfing doesn't give SPP. But without the risk of losing a player yourself (unless you let them stand on the sideline like a buffoon). So it's fouling, but better!
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Nov 20, 2015 21:58
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TheMcD posted:But without the risk of losing a player yourself (unless you let them stand on the sideline like a buffoon). So it's fouling, but better! I mean in regards to "WAAAH you're not trying to win/farm SPP, you're just trying to kill my guys!" Admittedly I didn't watch the video but I think that was the issue.
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Nov 20, 2015 22:05
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if you dont surf and foul liberally what are you even doing
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Nov 20, 2015 22:06
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Afraid of Audio posted:if you dont surf and foul liberally what are you even doing
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Nov 20, 2015 23:22
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Victor Vermis posted:I mean in regards to "WAAAH you're not trying to win/farm SPP, you're just trying to kill my guys!" You want to take a guess at his teams armor value? I'll give you a hint, it starts with 7.
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Nov 20, 2015 23:42
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I surf when I can, but I rarely foul. Only time I've gone out of my way to foul is when I made gimmick teams full of throw-away linemen and enough for 2 bribes. I think it's a case of I'd rather have a dude on the pitch giving a punching assist than a fouling assist.
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Nov 21, 2015 02:13
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I don't like fouling because I never get good results with it and it throws my players out of the game. At least with surfing I can get a player guaranteed out for the drive and usually don't face a countersurf.
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Nov 21, 2015 02:15
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ban the ref
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Nov 21, 2015 02:16
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let me surf the ref
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Nov 21, 2015 02:18
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Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me until one day I
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Nov 21, 2015 04:50
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Welp. Thats a concede all right.
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Nov 21, 2015 05:13
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