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I'm pretty new to this whole politicking thing but it looks like historically, the GOP has kept the ship together through funding and fundraising and access to the party purse. Now with CU and Trump being a grajillionaire willing and able to self-fund through 2032, what tools does Reince (or anybody, really) have to reign things in and end up with somebody who stands a chance in the general? The only real solution may be getting a boatload of billionaires behind an anti-Trump superpac, but has Jeb! given them all cold feet?
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Epic High Five posted:I'm pretty new to this whole politicking thing but it looks like historically, the GOP has kept the ship together through funding and fundraising and access to the party purse. Now with CU and Trump being a grajillionaire willing and able to self-fund through 2032, what tools does Reince (or anybody, really) have to reign things in and end up with somebody who stands a chance in the general? The only real solution may be getting a boatload of billionaires behind an anti-Trump superpac, but has Jeb! given them all cold feet? Nobody wants to be the one to go after Trump because Trump will hit back. Since there's still several viable not-Trumps, each one hopes someone else does it, knocks out Trump, and gets damaged in return.
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Nov 20, 2015 01:09
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evilweasel posted:Nobody wants to be the one to go after Trump because Trump will hit back. Since there's still several viable not-Trumps, each one hopes someone else does it, knocks out Trump, and gets damaged in return. Plus nobody wants to waste money on a kamikaze candidate for the good of the party.
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Nov 20, 2015 01:14
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Would Huey Long not gotten farther up had he not been assassinated? He did serve both as Governor and as Senator, and declared an intention to run just before his death. Possibly but I think he would've gotten roundly trounced by Roosevelt in the end. He was also a lot further left wing and there are other differences. Basically though there's historically been room for "party outsider" candidates especially ones that use populist rhetoric. They don't win elections but they win primaries.
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The other thing that gives me pause about Trump is that it's not like he hasn't left openings to attack him, it's that the other candidates didn't go after him when he gave those openeings. When Trump said some anti-Vaxx poo poo at one of the debates, I was expecting him to get slammed hard for it by the other candidates, but Carson and Paul just sort of equivocated and let it go by. That was a perfect opening to hit Trump when he over-extended, and yet everyone else up there just let him get out of his blunder intact. If nobody's going to actually attack Trump, then you're relying on Trump self-destructing (looking much less likely) or the base/voters getting bored with him (we're four months in, and they're not bored yet, and Iowa grows closer by the day).
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fade5 posted:The other thing that gives me pause about Trump is that it's not like he hasn't left openings to attack him, it's that the other candidates didn't go after him when he gave those openeings. They didn't let it go by Carson shook his hand, and if Rand comes out as pro-vaccine then he loses like 80% of his base
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Epic High Five posted:and if Rand comes out as pro-vaccine then he loses like 80% of his base Both Larry and Phil?! 
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It's amazing how desperately some of you are grasping for straws that Trump couldn't possibly win.
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fade5 posted:The other thing that gives me pause about Trump is that it's not like he hasn't left openings to attack him, it's that the other candidates didn't go after him when he gave those openeings. It's sort of like the GOP not going after Obama for things that he should be legitimately criticized for: they won't because they agree with him. Trump didn't get attacked for the anti-vaxx poo poo because they turned it into a partisan issue and took the anti-vaxx stance because of the link between vaccinations and the government, even though anti-vaxx crosses over to nuts on both sides of the political spectrum. They can't take that back anymore because it'd make them look like they were agreeing with the Democrats.
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People are savaging Obama for slamming the national hysteria calling him a 'condescending fucker' for talking down to constituents he's supposed to represent. Sports isn't going to make this go away is it 
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fade5 posted:The other thing that gives me pause about Trump is that it's not like he hasn't left openings to attack him, it's that the other candidates didn't go after him when he gave those openeings. What he said re: vaccinations is in line with the views of most americans actually. Maybe not the autism part (I have no idea what the general view on that is) but the "too much too quickly" is a pretty common complaint. Also, as has been mentioned, anti-vacc stuff is probably even more prevalent on the left than the right (see the leftist areas of the west coast for a prime example of this). Attacking him on that issue would have accomplished jack loving poo poo. Nonsense posted:People are savaging Obama for slamming the national hysteria calling him a 'condescending fucker' for talking down to constituents he's supposed to represent. Sports isn't going to make this go away is it Not really a surprise, for me at least. If they push the issue and he vetos the bill and something happens it's the rights election to lose. Also calling people's legitimate fears about terrorism "hysteria" is exactly part of this problem and what is alienating the moderates. evilweasel posted:Nobody wants to be the one to go after Trump because Trump will hit back. Since there's still several viable not-Trumps, each one hopes someone else does it, knocks out Trump, and gets damaged in return. Viable alternatives are dwindling- Cruz sure, but Rubio is dead in the water at this point. tsa fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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fade5 posted:The other thing that gives me pause about Trump is that it's not like he hasn't left openings to attack him, it's that the other candidates didn't go after him when he gave those openeings. they cant attack trump because all the stuff he goes to far on is conservative and the base eats that poo poo up. if JEB! hits him on immigration or something like that, he will just be labeled a leftist. trump will be in for shittyer ride if he makes it to general because going far right wont fly to moderates/blue dogs/ liberals/lefties.
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Joementum posted:I'm sure we can argue back-and-forth about how much they're like Trump, but among early primary poll leaders who were never going to win the nomination there's Robertson, Giuliani, and Gingrich. Granted, Trump really is different than those guys in some ways, but not in his polling. You are putting an incredible amount of trust in numbers. Similar polling numbers don't tell the story at all with Trump or the mood of the base. I get that it's wishy washy poo poo and sounds too much like some pundit going with his gut but I just don't buy the comparison that Trump is like those actual elected politicians that fell apart later.
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Joementum posted:Agreed. USPOL Nov: PppryfpppdygpdydygdyjddjdyjydyyyjdyddddydyyajtTtTttTtyttTte
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tsa posted:What he said re: vaccinations is in line with the views of most americans actually. Maybe not the autism part (I have no idea what the general view on that is) but the "too much too quickly" is a pretty common complaint. Also, as has been mentioned, anti-vacc stuff is probably even more prevalent on the left than the right (see the leftist areas of the west coast for a prime example of this). Attacking him on that issue would have accomplished jack loving poo poo. I meant to also put national hysteria in quotes, as the news article about the issue did. Were the prospects for the Senate positive for the Dems before this?
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nachos posted:You are putting an incredible amount of trust in numbers. Similar polling numbers don't tell the story at all with Trump or the mood of the base. I get that it's wishy washy poo poo and sounds too much like some pundit going with his gut but I just don't buy the comparison that Trump is like those actual elected politicians that fell apart later. You're saying the polls....are skewed?
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Joementum posted:Agreed. Sounds like Webb's announcing his intent to primary Ed Markey.
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quote:Colorado Republican Rep. Ken Buck on Thursday blamed the President's handling of the 2011 terrorist attack in Benghazi for Americans' distrust of Syrian refugees today. i...just...
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This is the greatest thread title. Probably the best. I've seen other thread titles, I'm friends with them, but let's face it, they're a total disaster.
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tsa posted:Not really a surprise, for me at least. If they push the issue and he vetos the bill and something happens it's the rights election to lose. Also calling people's legitimate fears about terrorism "hysteria" is exactly part of this problem and what is alienating the moderates. I take issue with the notion that fears of terrorism are legitimate. How many acts of terror have been committed on US soil by first-generation immigrants, including 9-11? (I can think of two offhand -- 9-11 and the Boston Marathon bombings.) We as a country have decided to accept things that kill/injure far more Americans than terrorism. We already vet refugees trying to enter the US legally (obviously can't screen the ones entering illegally). Why is this system suddenly insufficient because terrorists with false passports managed to infiltrate another country and radicalize citizens there?
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You know who else called on public figures and cititzens....
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Joementum posted:This is the greatest thread title. Probably the best. I've seen other thread titles, I'm friends with them, but let's face it, they're a total disaster. bqhatevwr?
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Joementum posted:This is the greatest thread title. Probably the best. I've seen other thread titles, I'm friends with them, but let's face it, they're a total disaster. Other thread titles, they're not fighters. They're afraid of breaking tables. Not this thread title. This is the thread title that can make America great again.
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Does Donald Trump even do anything other than play golf and wear suits to different places?
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I'm still failing to really integrate the fact that Trump said, in an interview, that he wants to do "unthinkable things" in the name of intelligence gathering and refuses to rule out mandatory religious identification for American citizens. Meanwhile, a Democrat elected to office is using the Japanese internment as a positive example....
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SedanChair posted:Does Donald Trump even do anything other than play golf and wear suits to different places? He builds. And his buildings are the best. So great.
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Joementum posted:You know who else called on public figures and cititzens....
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Joementum posted:He builds. And his buildings are the best. So great. He delegates and franchises.
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Yeah but I mean does he wear t-shirts and play ping-pong or whatever?
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SedanChair posted:Does Donald Trump even do anything other than play golf and wear suits to different places? He yells and sweats a lot.
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Sometimes he goes on pro wrestling to create the impression that Vince McMahon is a respectable businessman and not an old carny. Of course, the trick is that Trump is a carny too.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:He yells and sweats a lot. He's a well-rounded executive.
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Cabbit posted:Sometimes he goes on pro wrestling to create the impression that Vince McMahon is a respectable businessman and not an old carny. Of course, the trick is that Trump is a carny too. He went on pro wrestling in a suit though!! You see what I mean?
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SedanChair posted:He went on pro wrestling in a suit though!! You see what I mean? That's just pro wrestling. Either you're in a suit or you're in your underwear. Any time somebody tries to do something in-between you end up with this:  This is from TYOOL 2015.
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I will admit to being completely wrong on the whole " It's going to be Bush/Walker" ticket. Seriously, what the loving hell. How many here predicted that? If Trump keeps his numbers till mid January the party is hosed. Ben Carson is obviously self destructing and so are the other candidate. Jeb Bush is going to run out of money for his main campaign and only have his super pac. I  for Trump winning the nomination.
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