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Latvia had plenty of colonies for what Latvia was at a time.
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Austria also briefly tried to colonize the Nicobar Islands. Also, Latvia should have a couple: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couronian_colonization  E: beaten.
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Nov 20, 2015 01:06
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Guavanaut posted:That's Austria. Slightly less comedy answer: Moravia
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Nov 20, 2015 01:34
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I, too was going to post about the absence of Latvia. Lotta Courland nerds in here.
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Nov 20, 2015 06:34
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Also Malta is missing.
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Nov 20, 2015 06:36
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There's a strong overlap between people who spend hours looking at maps and people who spend hours reading wikipedia about history, so (kalstrams at least has a good reason to know about it)
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Nov 20, 2015 06:50
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Indeed, even with general interest asides it still remains a mandatory part of history curriculum in all our schools.
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Nov 20, 2015 06:54
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I learned about the Latvian colonies today.
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Nov 20, 2015 07:00
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Who wants to hear about the time Scotland tried to become a colonial power and it cost them so much money that they had to sign the Acts of Union to avoid bankruptcy?
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Kavak posted:Who wants to hear about the time Scotland tried to become a colonial power and it cost them so much money that they had to sign the Acts of Union to avoid bankruptcy? Ship fulla combs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme "The Darien Scheme was an unsuccessful attempt by the Kingdom of Scotland to become a world trading nation by establishing a colony called "Caledonia" on the Isthmus of Panama on the Gulf of Darién in the late 1690s. The aim was for the colony to have an overland route that connected the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. From the beginning the undertaking was beset by poor planning and provisioning, divided leadership, lack of demand for trade goods, devastating epidemics of disease, and failure to anticipate the Spanish Empire's military response. It was finally abandoned in March 1700 after a siege by Spanish forces, which also blockaded the harbour.[1] As the Darien company was backed by 25–50% of all the money circulating in Scotland, its failure left the entire Lowlands almost completely ruined and was an important factor in the subsequent Act of Union (completed in 1707). The land where the Darien colony was built is virtually uninhabited today." "Agriculture proved difficult and the local Indians, though hostile to Spain, were unwilling to trade for the combs and other trinkets offered by the colonists. Most serious was the almost total failure to sell any goods to the few passing traders who put in to the bay. With the onset of summer the following year, malaria and fever led to many deaths. Eventually, the mortality rate rose to ten settlers a day.[7] Local Indians brought gifts of fruit and plantains, but these were appropriated by the leaders and sailors who mostly remained on board ships. The only luck the settlers had was in giant turtle hunting, but fewer and fewer men were fit enough for such strenuous work. The situation was exacerbated by the lack of food mainly due to a high rate of spoilage caused by improper stowing. At the same time, King William instructed the Dutch and English colonies in America not to supply the Scots' settlement so as not to incur the wrath of the Spanish Empire.[7] The only reward the council had to give was alcohol, and drunkenness became common, even though it sped the deaths of men already weakened by dysentery, fever and the rotting, worm-infested food." Wait? Combs? yes. The idiots were told that the natives living in the area were a utopia with tons of food and gold and they all had long luscious hair. Clearly a boat FILLED with fine european combs would be the best thing to trade with them. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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Nov 20, 2015 07:28
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The humid tropics were absolute deathzones for Europeans until the mid 19th century when quinine became widely available. For something potentially-politically-loaded, it's probably no coincidence that the Mason-Dixon line corresponds almost exactly to the northernmost range of P. falsiparum.
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Nov 20, 2015 09:57
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kalstrams posted:Latvia had plenty of colonies for what Latvia was at a time. I'm upset on your behalf.
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Nov 20, 2015 10:00
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Sucrose posted:The humid tropics were absolute deathzones for Europeans until the mid 19th century when quinine became widely available. how did the natives avoid dying from all the diseases that killed whites?
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Nov 20, 2015 10:02
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:I'm upset on your behalf. Hogge Wild posted:how did the natives avoid dying from all the diseases that killed whites?
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Nov 20, 2015 10:11
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Hogge Wild posted:how did the natives avoid dying from all the diseases that killed whites? Part of it was that they died in the past from malaria, and the selection pressure resulted in increased prevalence of traits like sickle cell which reduce the severity of malaria. edit: Oops, I must have opened this tab a long time ago.
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Nov 20, 2015 11:04
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Kavak posted:Who wants to hear about the time Scotland tried to become a colonial power and it cost them so much money that they had to sign the Acts of Union to avoid bankruptcy? There's a book called "How Scotland Invented the Modern World" or something like that where it goes into that and says "yeah even though they were forced into an act of union with England, all the really smart people and inventions came from Scotland".
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Nov 20, 2015 13:36
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Hogge Wild posted:how did the natives avoid dying from all the diseases that killed whites? how did whites avoid dying from all the diseases that killed native americans?
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Nov 20, 2015 15:54
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Robot Dog posted:how did whites avoid dying from all the diseases that killed native americans?
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Nov 20, 2015 15:57
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Robot Dog posted:how did whites avoid dying from all the diseases that killed native americans? They're god's chosen people, obviously.
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Nov 20, 2015 16:17
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Hogge Wild posted:how did the natives avoid dying from all the diseases that killed whites?
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Nov 20, 2015 16:45
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Lots of good stuff about malaria in 1493. When I get home tonight I'll post a map from it.
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Pakled posted:Austria also briefly tried to colonize the Nicobar Islands. I was coming to post this drat it computer parts posted:There's a book called "How Scotland Invented the Modern World" or something like that where it goes into that and says "yeah even though they were forced into an act of union with England, all the really smart people and inventions came from Scotland". Books like this are stupid. The Scotland one isn't as bad the Irish one I've seen that claimed Wellington as Irish.
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Nov 20, 2015 17:15
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sbaldrick posted:Books like this are stupid. The Scotland one isn't as bad the Irish one I've seen that claimed Wellington as Irish.  Or a cross between and  for some countries I guess.
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Nov 20, 2015 17:22
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Guavanaut posted:Every country has its share of books like this and they're all Especially since the ancient worldspanning Korean empire is the nation to which we are truly indebted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiLA6Bk_ivs
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Nov 20, 2015 17:36
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sbaldrick posted:
"If a man be born in a stable, that does not make him a horse".
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Nov 20, 2015 18:25
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khwarezm posted:"If a man be born in a stable, that does not make him a horse". Well, to be fair, he was born in Ireland into an Anglo-Irish family and spent the first 12 years of his life in Ireland. If a man is born in a stable, and is raised there for 12 years, I'd wager he would have certain horse-like tendencies. He was also generally very supportive of Catholic Emancipation once in office, showing at least some sympathies for the Irish Catholics. I think as far as outrageous claims of nationality go Wellington being Irish isn't too unreasonable.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:40
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Hogge Wild posted:how did the natives avoid dying from all the diseases that killed whites? To add to what others have said, They didn't. The arrival of malaria in the Americas with European settlers devastated native communities. Mosquito borne illnesses bring suffering to everyone where they occur. They avoided areas of disease. The distribution of mosquito borne illness can be very heterogeneous across a landscape and changes seasonally. Not all areas are effected equally or at the same time, and with experience communities can learn to minimize exposure. The Wikipedia article on the Darien expedition notes that the fever broke out in "summer," presumably meaning the Northern hemisphere summer, which coincides with the rainy season for the Caribbean Coast of Panama. Rains often bring seasonal outbreaks, and its possible the locals simply left for the drier Pacific Coast or colder, higher elevations where there were fewer mosquitoes. This leads into to my next point: They adapted. Communities at risk of vector born illness adopted life-ways that reduced risk. For example in areas with seasonal outbreaks communities adopted flexible agricultural systems that permitted migrations, rather than intensive cultivation that required more sedentary lifestyles. In Africa you see this in pastoral communities, moving herds out of areas afflicted by tsetse fly during high risk seasons. In some areas vectors need cleared gardens or agricultural plots to survive, and aren't present in dense natural forests. These places were often only inhabited by hunter-gatherers, who were protected by virtue of their low impact land-use.
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sbaldrick posted:Books like this are stupid. The Scotland one isn't as bad the Irish one I've seen that claimed Wellington as Irish. 
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Nov 20, 2015 19:26
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khwarezm posted:"If a man be born in a stable, that does not make him a horse". Was said about him not by him.
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Nov 20, 2015 19:30
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Baronjutter posted:Kinda meaningless without knowing how they're counting colonies. Would like to see one based on total colonial land area and population though. Here's the page with some explanation (although the explanation is "they're the colonies mentioned on this list of colonies on wikipedia').
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Blut posted:Well, to be fair, he was born in Ireland into an Anglo-Irish family and spent the first 12 years of his life in Ireland. If a man is born in a stable, and is raised there for 12 years, I'd wager he would have certain horse-like tendencies. He was also generally very supportive of Catholic Emancipation once in office, showing at least some sympathies for the Irish Catholics. With a similar argument one might call Kipling India's greatest author.
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Nov 20, 2015 20:30
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Riso posted:With a similar argument one might call Kipling India's greatest author. There are probably people who do.
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Riso posted:With a similar argument one might call Kipling India's greatest author. He considered himself Anglo-Indian.
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Riso posted:With a similar argument one might call Kipling India's greatest author. Kipling left India when he was 5. And wasn't born into an Anglo-Indian family who had been "in country" for generations - they had just moved to India in 1865 (the year of his birth). So the comparison isn't really exact, Kipling would have been far less Indian culturally than Wellington would have been Irish. Not to mention the fact that there was far more difference in C19th Indian vs C19th British culture than Irish vs British - even if all other factors were equal it would be a harder cultural transfer.
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The new international brigades kind of suck imo
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Nov 20, 2015 23:37
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Twenty Eighty-Four is going to be a blast.
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Nov 20, 2015 23:42
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Is the rest of the world even trying? Even most muslim countries have trouble keeping up with us! Hats off to Jordan, but to be fair, they're right next door. Hogge Wild posted:Twenty Eighty-Four is going to be a blast. Homage To Al-Raqqah Governorate
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Nov 20, 2015 23:47
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 Apparently from this show:  Has anyone watched it? Is it good?
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Disco Infiva posted:
it's based on a book, and i don't know about the series, but the book was bad 
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