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Congratulations, Lord Justice.
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Nov 19, 2015 11:37
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We did it you guys, thanks. Next up: Kony 2012
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Nov 19, 2015 11:41
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Ya'll disgust me with your non-canon pairings and hate of analysis. Somebody turn my post into an effort post.
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Nov 19, 2015 12:07
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Mordaedil posted:Ya'll disgust me with your non-canon pairings and hate of analysis. I could seriously need an effort post explaining to me why the ending of the Rebellion movie is in any way bad I mean, literally everyone except Kyuby got something out of it (are they even still magical girls? I guess Sakaya can no longer summon opera fish monster?). Hell, Homura explicitly says that the part of Madoka saving magical girls is still around doing its job, sounds like a pretty sweet deal if you can be alive at the same time. We just don't know what bad consequences this had on Madoka's Magical Afterlife Deal. I guess Homura is now all juiced up on stolen god power and everyone might be mad jelly if they found out? Oh and she might destroy the world for lulz once she's done with the ill-defined threat of the Wraiths, for uuuuuuuuh reasons? What? Huh? Huh?!!!?! The ending itself is super cool and 100% something Homura would do, kudos to the writer for that, but they could've been clearer on why this is a bad thing. Oh wait, it's cause Homura now has a creepy smile, Sakaya is just genre-savvy enough to know those fellows are always jerks
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Nov 19, 2015 13:03
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Mainly because it went against Madoka's wish and she's basically an unwilling prisoner in an unstable bubble universe with altered memories (just being slightly reminded of her old life almost destroyed it). It's a better ending than the TV series in lots of ways, just kind of dressed up as a bad one.
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Nov 19, 2015 13:52
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The narrative doesn't give us anything to go on so it seems like the intent is for the viewer to draw an empathetic conclusion, and that makes a ton of sense imo because it correlates to the series ending, and what Madoka said to Homura. We can't possibly know what will come next or how a conflict will turn out, but just seeing the girls care about each other and try so hard to protect each other... you can put your faith into that.
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Nov 19, 2015 14:12
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Sakurazuka posted:Mainly because it went against Madoka's wish and she's basically an unwilling prisoner in an unstable bubble universe with altered memories (just being slightly reminded of her old life almost destroyed it). It's just weird. I can see why Madoka would wish for what she did at the end of the series - hell, she does almost nothing in the entire series outside arriving at the conclusion what to wish for -, but it seems to me that she shouldn't be all that opposed to being, well, "ripped apart". She still got her wish, only now she doesn't remember it, and supernaturally psychotic love is responsible for the split... It's kinda hosed up, but nothing bad on principle. After all, if magical girls succumbing to despair are still saved, why would it have to be Madoka personally rather than... uuuuuuh... whatever remains that does the job now? Which makes me think there's more to it than "just" resetting the universe to something Homura likes, where it's Blackjack and hookers all day and gently caress it, everyone dead is now alive too, show some goddamn gratitude Sakaya Space Flower posted:The narrative doesn't give us anything to go on so it seems like the intent is for the viewer to draw an empathetic conclusion, and that makes a ton of sense imo because it correlates to the series ending, and what Madoka said to Homura. We can't possibly know what will come next or how a conflict will turn out, but just seeing the girls care about each other and try so hard to protect each other... you can put your faith into that. So... yeah. This. I feel like empathic conclusion is really the right word here (see what I did there  ), especially since the series kinda functions on the unexplainable power of emotions (literally) anyway, and rules exist as plotpoints first and foremost. Nothing to go on, except for vaguely feeling something's off. They gave us a really good continuation of the series, something that at first seems totally unnecessary, and now it's so open-ended it's driving me mad. Just - just, like, look Shinbo, you can do as much Monogatari as you want, but you got unfinished business here
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Nov 19, 2015 14:32
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Torquemadras posted:I could seriously need an effort post explaining to me why the ending of the Rebellion movie is in any way bad The Case Against [ . . . ] Homura doesn't believe that Madoka was free to choose her own path, and wants to set up a better world where Madoka don't have to feel forced to become something other than herself. But this goes against Madoka's desires, as someone who has low self-esteem and wants to be something amazing. And it goes against Sayaka's desires, as she's totally down with the idea of being an agent of the sisterhood of girls betrayed by fate. She gets to help people like herself, be the cool hero she's always wanted to be, and plus she's learned a lot about herself and grown as a person. But Homura has a vision of a world where Kyuubey's institutionalized emotional abuse is shot down fast and the girls get a second chance at growing up. The big players in this game are Homura, Sayaka, Madoka, and Nagisa I guess. Homura's world presents a chance for them to redefine themselves. Obviously the thing that makes everything work out in the end, ethically, is the fact that Homura can't hold up her new world forever. It almost breaks the first time Madoka feels drawn to her "ultimate" self. This cues us in to the fact that Homura is not establishing some sort of tyrannical rule, and that this state of affairs is going to be temporary. The fact that the new world isn't permanent means that at best Homura is freeing everyone from the shackles of fate; at worst she's giving everyone a vacation. So I think that if you view Rebellion's ending as a temporary state after overthrowing a previous unjust ruler, rather than as a legit dictatorship imposed by Homura, the story seems a lot less conflicted. Homura's conducting an experiment to see if a world without Kyuubey still leads to everyone accepting their previous roles. To control the variables she has to erase everyone's memories during the test, but since the "law of cycles" is going on outside it seems like those memories will return once the experiment is over. There are still ambivalent questions in the story, like "doesn't Homura need to grow up and get over her lesbian crush leaving her, isn't this sort of fixation pretty unhealthy?" and "is it okay to hold seemingly happy people against their will, even if you're doing it for their own good?" but I'm not sure if Homura's decision at the end is actually a case of freedom vs. common interest like Sayaka seems to believe.
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Nov 19, 2015 16:44
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The thing that gets me, and probably others, of Rebellion's ending is the occasional flashes of witch imagery (weird faceless figures roaming about, moon split in two, etc.) in the "real world" after Homura rips out part of Madoka. I mean, Homura fell into complete despair and went ultra-hyper-S-class witch in the crystal, and now that hopeless insanity is part of the entire universe. I know everyone gets a relatively happy ending, but the universe may well be screwed in the long term. Dunno if the normal person would want to live in a flickery bizarro weirdzone. Kyubey got what he deserved, though. gently caress that rat.
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Nov 19, 2015 16:56
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He's going to gently caress some poo poo up in the next series though. Otherwise, what was the point of lingering on his maddened eyes like that.
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Nov 19, 2015 17:12
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That wasn't anger it was fear
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Nov 19, 2015 17:25
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Jagchosis posted:I don't think Homura got along very well Sayaka. Citation: Threatening to murder her You fool 
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Nov 19, 2015 17:58
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Soon lord justice will join us and explain the ending of madoka. And then I will post "use less words" because I also learned nothing from the mod's challenge
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Nov 19, 2015 18:16
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Homura's basically a super not!witch at this point; the entire universe is her barrier and in that barrier she commands tremendous influence, partly because she's somehow stolen a part of the Cycle's power. The world she's made is pretty kickass and the problem everyone has boils down to FFT's "Reality vs Fantasy" and also the issue of consent; no one's said they wanted such a world. To be fair, though, Homura did go talk with Madoka in the field of flowers and ask if she'd ever do something like sacrifice herself and Madoka said she'd be too scared to.
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Nov 19, 2015 18:26
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Sakurazuka posted:That wasn't anger it was fear It was a bunch of squiggly lines.
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Nov 19, 2015 18:36
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PerrineClostermann posted:Homura's basically a super not!witch at this point; the entire universe is her barrier and in that barrier she commands tremendous influence, partly because she's somehow stolen a part of the Cycle's power. The world she's made is pretty kickass and the problem everyone has boils down to FFT's "Reality vs Fantasy" and also the issue of consent; no one's said they wanted such a world. To be fair, though, Homura did go talk with Madoka in the field of flowers and ask if she'd ever do something like sacrifice herself and Madoka said she'd be too scared to. The whole point of that scene was that Homura was asking a Madoka who had no idea what the stakes were so she could hear the answer she wanted. Maybe not consciously on the latter part but still Mordaedil posted:It was a bunch of squiggly lines. Aren't we all?
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Nov 19, 2015 20:55
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I'm feeling incredibly squiggly right now.
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Nov 19, 2015 21:02
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I PM'd Lord Justice and he doesn't feel welcome here
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Nov 20, 2015 02:47
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I wonder why 
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Nov 20, 2015 03:25
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Jagchosis posted:I PM'd Lord Justice and he doesn't feel welcome here
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Nov 20, 2015 03:33
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Knorth posted:I wonder why Thread lacks jouissance.
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Nov 20, 2015 03:44
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Jagchosis posted:I PM'd Lord Justice and he doesn't feel welcome here 
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Nov 20, 2015 07:10
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Lord Justice, if you post here, I will not make fun of it, because I have blocked you and can't read your posts anyways.
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Nov 20, 2015 07:39
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That's enough ragging on someone who isn't even here to defend themselves. This is the Madoka thread, post Madoka.
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Nov 20, 2015 08:51
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Bad Seafood posted:That's enough ragging on someone who isn't even here to defend themselves. 
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Nov 20, 2015 08:54
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Is Madoka not a cute girl? Was  right all along?
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Nov 20, 2015 09:02
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Nov 20, 2015 09:14
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Those two girls are mean but that simply adds to their charm.
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Nov 20, 2015 09:21
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Nobody likes girls with glasses.
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Nov 20, 2015 09:46
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Super Jay Mann posted:Nobody likes girls with glasses. Heresy.
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Nov 20, 2015 09:49
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Super Jay Mann posted:Nobody likes girls with glasses. The gently caress? EDIT: Please post Mami with glasses. SECOND EDIT: Make sure she's not mean. I don't mind mean girls but Mami should be nice and happy.
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Nov 20, 2015 09:53
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:The gently caress? 
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Nov 20, 2015 10:06
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Acceptable.
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Nov 20, 2015 10:07
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Nov 20, 2015 10:11
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDu-2h8ZDhI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7R-oGnfkiU There was also a mashup called 99 Problems But a Witch Ain't One but it's not up anymore.
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Nov 20, 2015 10:16
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  ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDu-2h8ZDhI  j/k that was very cash money of you. e: one more 
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Nov 20, 2015 10:26
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Oh, the video for 99 Witches had a creator-uploaded link for a DL. http://depositfiles.com/en/files/g89nfjrwd
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O-obama-chan?!
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