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fishmech posted:They have given far more money to other people. poo poo, if an interview had worked out right my girlfriend would have been giving money to the Hillary campaign with an employer who's a major hedge fund and HFT company, instead of a video software company in a different city. Shifty Pony posted:If she were a Republican she would be run out of the party years ago for daring to suggest that anything besides government regulation (CRA!!!!!) and those that took out the mortgages (poors!!!!) were to blame for the crash. The GOP actually thinks we need to deregulate harder because anything the Wall Street firms did that was "bad" was only done in response to government forcing them to do it. Yes, I imagine they would much rather see a GOP candidate advocating eliminating capital gains taxes get elected than Hillary Clinton. This does not mean those things are good and that we should just accept them, though.
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Alligator Horse posted:Agreed. We should be lardoning them. Only an authoritarian would openly advocate for sending a pardoned bird to the fryer.
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Maarek posted:she said terrorists attacked Wall Street on 9/11 Wall St is 4 blocks away from WTC, politifact rates this as half true.
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Maarek posted:Yes, I imagine they would much rather see a GOP candidate advocating eliminating capital gains taxes get elected than Hillary Clinton. This does not mean those things are good and that we should just accept them, though. You still haven't said what specific policies she's proposed that you don't agree with and that make her markedly so different from Bernie. Outside of Glass-Stegal, which she's proposed addressing in a different way that's likely more politically possible, and also has more teeth, she's not that far removed from Elizabeth Warren or Bernie.
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CommieGIR posted:I don't think this has anything to do with emphasis on STEM, but more to do with emphasis on grades over knowledge and commitment. We've called schools out on this for decades, for emphasizing test scores over work quality and commitment. That's nonsense. What's at issue here is the high pressure to succeed and that success being measurable. What's at issue here is that these kids feel that the "acceptable" bar is set insanely high and they can't reach it. It doesn't really have to do with if that bar is set by test scores. If they're being holistically measured by their teachers and assigned holistic grades that measure their knowledge and commitment it's going to be the exact same pressure: did I get grades high enough to get into Harvard like my dad and everyone else he knows, or am I a failure.
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career minded people generally have a difficult time accepting that their kids might not be as intelligent or motivated as they are. these values can't always be drilled into someone
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evilweasel posted:If they're being holistically measured by their teachers and assigned holistic grades that measure their knowledge and commitment it's going to be the exact same pressure: did I get grades high enough to get into Harvard like my dad and everyone else he knows, or am I a failure. "Did you get straight As? If not you'll never succeed." Its the problem the Asian community has faced for decades: overemphasis on only the highest performing grade students, despite the fact that some of the most successful scientists and engineers are not straight A students, and overemphasis on students with high grades does not actually emphasize a quality student, only someone who can regurgitate learned knowledge when needed. In other news: quote:While a majority of the nation's governors have asked the Obama administration to stop the resettlement of Syrian refugees in their state, a prominent Tennessee lawmaker has gone a step further: He's suggested the National Guard round up recently arrived refugees and prevent the arrival of additional refugees.
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CommieGIR posted:"Did you get straight As? If not you'll never succeed." Yes, but you're still missing the point. The pressure does not get alleviated one bit by shifting to a more accurate measurement. Hell, it would probably get even worse because then you can't even comfort yourself as much by perhaps the measurement is wrong.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You still haven't said what specific policies she's proposed that you don't agree with and that make her markedly so different from Bernie. Outside of Glass-Stegal, which she's proposed addressing in a different way that's likely more politically possible, and also has more teeth, she's not that far removed from Elizabeth Warren or Bernie. Yes, outside of one of the few concrete policy positions she's taken on Wall Street which was abjectly terrible, her position on Wall Street is not very different than Bernie Sanders'. If this is what you want to believe and advocate in this thread, please go right ahead.
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quote:Rep. Steve Russell (R-OK) delivered a speech on the House floor Wednesday tearing into his colleagues' push to restrict Syrian refugees' ability to come to the U.S., arguing that such policies will make the U.S. like the Islamic State. well I didn't expect that out of an oklahoma republican
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evilweasel posted:Yes, but you're still missing the point. The pressure does not get alleviated one bit by shifting to a more accurate measurement. Hell, it would probably get even worse because then you can't even comfort yourself as much by perhaps the measurement is wrong. This is true, but at least the smart people who test badly (there are not a few of them) will understand the shift in metrics benefits them and in general better captures the efficacy of schooling. You're right though in that the policy change won't necessarily alleviate stress for kids and may very well--certainly in the interim years--heighten it.
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Maarek posted:Yes, outside of one of the few concrete policy positions she's taken on Wall Street which was abjectly terrible, her position on Wall Street is not very different than Bernie Sanders'. If this is what you want to believe and advocate in this thread, please go right ahead. instead of getting pissy you could maybe explain why you're pissy? i mean it's very clear you don't like clinton but you're not doing a very good job of explaining why except that she's not bernie sanders
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Maarek posted:Yes, outside of one of the few concrete policy positions she's taken on Wall Street which was abjectly terrible, her position on Wall Street is not very different than Bernie Sanders'. If this is what you want to believe and advocate in this thread, please go right ahead. i would be shocked if you actually knew what policy positions she's taken on wall street I mean, I don't either, I can just sense you don't have the faintest clue either despite confidently posting about them
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Joementum posted:MODESTO, Calif. (AP) — He strutted, he gobbled and he puffed up his feathers like his life depended on it. And it did. lmao I'm going to ask my parents to save the Modesto Bee about this, I'm sure its all the front page can talk about.
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http://wonkette.com/596182/looks-like-davhe-couch-again What is it with Vitter and youtube? All his videos have a preview image that looks absolutely ridiculous. Or is that just how he always looks?
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evilweasel posted:well I didn't expect that out of an oklahoma republican Good for him. And I mean that with 100% sincerity.
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Alligator Horse posted:Agreed. We should be lardoning them. Why do you lash out like this?
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evilweasel posted:i would be shocked if you actually knew what policy positions she's taken on wall street That's cool buddy, if you'd like to go ahead and post some of them feel free to do that.
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evilweasel posted:well I didn't expect that out of an oklahoma republican That man is going to die 
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Maarek posted:That's cool buddy, if you'd like to go ahead and post some of them feel free to do that. I don't think anyone feels like playing 20 questions to pinpoint the specific policies you are upset about.
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Maarek posted:That's cool buddy, if you'd like to go ahead and post some of them feel free to do that. Perhaps if you don't know them you shouldn't be confidently posting about them and scorning people for not agreeing with your uninformed viewpoint was the undercurrent of that post. If you do know them at all, you could post about why you think they're bad!
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"By refusing refugees we are playing right into this obvious ISIS ploy" should really be a talking point repeated more often.
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It's true that the outcomes and opportunities for students who get into very selective colleges are significantly better than for those who do not. But it's also true that an undergraduate education at non-selective schools is adequate for achieving a comfortable middle class status. What needs to be done is to lower the differential between the two such that the incentives to perversely push oneself to achieve the threshold for the limited spaces in the selective institutions aren't so great as to have negative health consequences. Fortunately, doing this by increasing the tax burden on those who benefit most from prestigious education can be used to fund an expansion of access to higher education for others. Oh, and by the way, neither STEM nor the liberal arts are the most popular field of study in college right now. There are nearly twice as many business majors as the next most popular field, which is psychology.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Good for him. Yeah, same here, I don't know anything else about the guy but at least he's right on that issue and willing to risk his house seat to do the right thing.
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Sir Tonk posted:What is it with Vitter and youtube? All his videos have a preview image that looks absolutely ridiculous. Yup.
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evilweasel posted:Perhaps if you don't know them you shouldn't be confidently posting about them and scorning people for not agreeing with your uninformed viewpoint was the undercurrent of that post. If you do know them at all, you could post about why you think they're bad! "Tell me exactly what you don't like?" "Her position Glass-Steagall, the things she says, the people who give her money." "Yeah but uh aside from that."
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Maarek posted:That's cool buddy, if you'd like to go ahead and post some of them feel free to do that. Normally when you challenge an assertion, it's on you to provide evidence backing your challenge. There's enough baseless speculation that you probably don't need to add more. Edit: Perhaps you could offer a why there too. instead of just stating you don't like her position in Glass-Stegall, maybe explain what about it you don't like. Raerlynn fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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Maarek posted:"Tell me exactly what you don't like?" the things she says and the people who give her money aren't policy positions though. it seems like clinton's greatest crime is not being bernie sanders
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Popular Thug Drink posted:the things she says and the people who give her money aren't policy positions though. it seems like clinton's greatest crime is not being bernie sanders We've established that rhetoric doesn't really matter so someone just drop a concrete policy proposal on us here and we'll dig in to it. You didn't like my answer about Glass-Steagall or my arguments about campaign finance, so let's get down to the brass tacks.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:the things she says and the people who give her money aren't policy positions though. it seems like clinton's greatest crime is not being bernie sanders Ambitious woman's greatest political crime is not being old, white male Senator. News at 11.
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Maarek posted:"Tell me exactly what you don't like?" "the things she says", what are those things? What's wrong with them? See, this is what I mean, you don't actually know anything about the issue. If she's bad on Wall Street - and she might be - you do no good just by whining that she's bad and then running and hiding when asked how, exactly. If you're going to try to act like you know more about the issue than other people, you probably should know something about it.
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Lay it on me, evilweasel. I'm a baby bird, feed me some knowledge. What policies should we talk about?
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Oh for god's sake. Maarek being a Bernout shouldn't override when he's actually saying something right. Hillary Clinton has problematic opinions on financial policy, which Maarek has given concrete examples of already. If you disagree and think he's wrong on those points, actually say so instead of pretending he's being vague.
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An Angry Bug posted:Oh for god's sake. Maarek being a Bernout shouldn't override when he's actually saying something right. Hillary Clinton has problematic opinions on financial policy, which Maarek has given concrete examples of already. If you disagree and think he's wrong on those points, actually say so instead of pretending he's being vague. Policies don't matter in campaigns; winning matters.
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Maarek posted:We've established that rhetoric doesn't really matter so someone just drop a concrete policy proposal on us here and we'll dig in to it. You didn't like my answer about Glass-Steagall or my arguments about campaign finance, so let's get down to the brass tacks. "i don't like X" isn't really an argument. we get that you don't like clinton, the odd part is that you're hesitant to really elaborate as to why. usually people have some kind of detailed critique instead of general handwaving references, if they're really passionate or informed about the thing they're critiquing maybe you feel like you're not being vague and you're being unjustly attacked by vacant rhetoric to drive you out of the thread? but i personally don't see what your issue is aside from some policies and rhetoric related to wall street that you don't seem to want to go into further detail on, so, you know, ok, thanks for sharing your opinion i guess
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An Angry Bug posted:Oh for god's sake. Maarek being a Bernout shouldn't override when he's actually saying something right. Hillary Clinton has problematic opinions on financial policy, which Maarek has given concrete examples of already. If you disagree and think he's wrong on those points, actually say so instead of pretending he's being vague. I am literally asking him to give those concrete examples and he's refusing to do it. I am being quite open that I do not know where she stands, I just want someone who thinks it's important to actually do a smidgen of work to support their claim and identify why she's bad so we can discuss that. Because that is actually useful to me in knowing if she's bad or not, while Maarek's uninformed opinion is not.
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evilweasel posted:I am literally asking him to give those concrete examples and he's refusing to do it. Maarek posted:"Tell me exactly what you don't like?" Uh-huh, sure.
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evilweasel posted:I am literally asking him to give those concrete examples and he's refusing to do it. I am being quite open that I do not know where she stands, I just want someone who thinks it's important to actually do a smidgen of work to support their claim and identify why she's bad so we can discuss that. Because that is actually useful to me in knowing if she's bad or not, while Maarek's uninformed opinion is not. Here's the fact sheet her campaign released on her fairly detailed financial plan: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/10/08/wall-street-work-for-main-street/ And here is a Vox rundown of how it measures up to Liz Warren's litmus test: http://www.vox.com/2015/10/8/9482521/hillary-clinton-financial-reform
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