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Fried Chicken posted:1) that isn't strange at all since his focus is on international macroeconomics, not domestic distribution Hell, we used Krugman's textbook in my International Econ course in college.
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Joementum posted:I can't see it happening. I think his legacy will be a lot like Coolidge's: dragged up positively by ideologues (neocons in Bush's case, libertarians in Coolidge's) in Slate-pitchy revisionist histories, but widely regarded as a failure. His failures in Iraq and the economy can't be painted over like Reagan's were and, unlike Reagan's revolution, W. led a reformation effort in the party, so he'll always be regarded skeptically by the base. I imagine a large part of the upswing in public opinion has to do with the 30-50 year old crowd from the bush years getting a little older and having to deal with the Obama years. "While Bush was president I had a good job and a car and things were great, except for 9/11. Under Obama I was worried about my job and my healthcare costs went up and then that ISIS thing happened." Long term though the people who will write the history books for his term will be people in the 10-30 year old crowd from that time, which means a lot more "I watched my friends die and be maimed in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts to no resolution, he completely hosed the education system for my children and we had to spend a couple decades unfucking it, oh and he utterly tanked the economy just as I was graduating from high school/college, which meant I had to work at starbucks for six years before I could find a decent paying job under Obama. Oh and during Obama's time gas got back down to under $2 a gallon and gently caress me if I ever thought that would happen."
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Joementum posted:This week's Congressional Hits and Misses features Frankenfish and John McCain popping off and causing mischief. Haha, now this is a post a big idiot like me can understand!!
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Back when those Congressman made their letter to the Ayatollah telling him the USA cannot negotiate in good faith I wrote a brief letter to Senator Booker supporting the Nuclear Deal and recommending that the US should re-evaluate its relaionship with the Israeli nuclear program. A couple days ago I get a very long form response talking about technical details of the deal and why Cory is reluctantly supporting it. Then he starts talking about the Holocaust and how we must 'stand against evil'Senator Booker posted:To be clear: when Iranians chant death to America or pledge themselves to the destruction of Israel, I take them at their word. My Jewish friends and others I have talked with are correct: Iran is an existential threat to the State of Israel and to the Jewish people. 
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greatn posted:Bernie doesn't have hate in his heart like Hillary does. Bernie dislikes the Republicans and strongly disagrees with them. Hillary loving hates them and wants to burn them. Hillary is my candidate  Dehumanize yourself and face to etc.ikanreed posted:I'm still not exactly sure what the difference between cable news and ESPN is to be honest. Cable news political coverage is at ESPN levels and is rapidly approaching televised professional wrestling or at least Don King promotional speeches for boxing events
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Monkey Fracas posted:Cable news political coverage is at ESPN levels and is rapidly approaching televised professional wrestling or at least Don King promotional speeches for boxing events Well we're pretty close http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wzz2n9xC8ps
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greatn posted:Bernie doesn't have hate in his heart like Hillary does. Bernie dislikes the Republicans and strongly disagrees with them. Hillary loving hates them and wants to burn them. Which is why she has my vote. No policy is getting passed with congress and the courts as they are, so spite will serve Edit: there are a few things that would get me to go "pox in both your houses" and the Syrian refugee thing is one of them but so far she hasn't joined with the bigots so I'm good Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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If Hillary doesn't pull the heart out of some bush league congressman's heart and eat it raw on inauguration day I'm going to consider that breaking a campaign promise. 
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Nov 20, 2015 19:15
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evilweasel posted:well I didn't expect that out of an oklahoma republican 
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Maarek posted:Joementum you are the closest thing to an oracle D&D has.
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It's true, Joe is more of the Calculator.
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I think it's important to note that there's a lack of polling data on whether spoons exist.
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JT Jag posted:Many people seem to be of the understanding that it's really easy to get here as a refugee, perhaps easier than most other methods, and that's why it would be desirable for ISIS. While wrong, I think it might be best to deflect that talking point. America is stronger than any extremist ideology. The refugees will come and in time become normal Americans, as all immigrants have in the past. The imaginary scenario of sneaky refugees easily coming in to the U.S. is something akin to plague bearers sneaking in under a pile of fruit in a tarp covered wagon at a border checkpoint in the medieval ages. This has nothing to do with 'facts' or 'reality', but it suits people just as well.
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Joementum posted:I think it's important to note that there's a lack of polling data on whether spoons exist. There's also a lack of polling data on whether individuals favor a national tax on lighted letters larger than 36 feet. That don't mean Trump ain't already taken a stand against.
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Fried Chicken posted:Which is why she has my vote. No policy is getting passed with congress and the courts as they are, so spite will serve Go one step further and just pull the R lever. At least things will get done for once! Or vote Hillary and watch her not follow through on campaign promises and pass one piece of legislation that will be deemed amazing by neoliberals that fixes some small social problem while placing more of a financial burden on the poor.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:The imaginary scenario of sneaky refugees easily coming in to the U.S. is something akin to plague bearers sneaking in under a pile of fruit in a tarp covered wagon at a border checkpoint in the medieval ages. This has nothing to do with 'facts' or 'reality', but it suits people just as well. Except....ISIL terrorists did go with illegal immigrants in order to infiltrate Europe?
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Maarek posted:Joementum you are the closest thing to an oracle D&D has. Do you think that George W. Bush is going to be remembered fondly by history once time has passed? I know they did a poll a few years ago and approval for his presidency was creeping up. Is he going to somehow grope his way into becoming an elder statesman to Serious People or is this just the crazies being crazy? depends. I don't think they will magically clean up his legacy. at best they will say he wasnt a bad guy and he was led astray by shitheads in the private sector and in his cabinet. another thing is he will probaly be viewed as the beginning of the end of the GOP as a rational party.
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McDowell posted:Back when those Congressman made their letter to the Ayatollah telling him the USA cannot negotiate in good faith I wrote a brief letter to Senator Booker supporting the Nuclear Deal and recommending that the US should re-evaluate its relaionship with the Israeli nuclear program. A couple days ago I get a very long form response talking about technical details of the deal and why Cory is reluctantly supporting it. Then he starts talking about the Holocaust and how we must 'stand against evil' Your congressman never saw your letter. The response was almost certainly a template assembled weeks in advance, using the Congressman's public statements, and sent out by an unpaid intern, who made sure that there were no obvious copy issues. EDIT: Googling that quote brings up an op-ed by Brooker from September. They probably sent you a copy of it. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:depends. I don't think they will magically clean up his legacy. at best they will say he wasnt a bad guy and he was led astray by shitheads in the private sector and in his cabinet. another thing is he will probaly be viewed as the beginning of the end of the GOP as a rational party. That's what is remembered about Grant, but nobody thinks he was a good President. He's remembered as a pretty terrible President, but that he was a good general makes up for it somewhat. Everyone remembers General Grant and we politely skip over his presidency in history class.
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evilweasel posted:That's what is remembered about Grant, but nobody thinks he was a good President. He's remembered as a pretty terrible President, but that he was a good general makes up for it somewhat. Everyone remembers General Grant and we politely skip over his presidency in history class. Only, Grant by all accounts was a decent president that was plagued with having horrible people in his cabinet that kept getting into scandals. Most of the historical bashing of his presidency was done in the 20s by the klan/south and it's stuck ever since then.
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evilweasel posted:That's what is remembered about Grant, but nobody thinks he was a good President. He's remembered as a pretty terrible President, but that he was a good general makes up for it somewhat. Everyone remembers General Grant and we politely skip over his presidency in history class. Leading the nation to victory in the worst war it's ever been in does tend to buy one a lot of leeway afterward, even if his cabinet was staggering corrupt.
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The refugee hysteria is not the result of legitimate concerns about terrorism. Pretty sure we weren't closing borders to whites and Christians after OKC. Just like we weren't putting all the white teens with Confederate Flag fetishes into a database after Charleston. We have much more to fear from white Americans than from refugees from the Middle East.
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QuoProQuid posted:Your congressman never saw your letter. The response was almost certainly a template assembled weeks in advance, using the Congressman's public statements, and sent out by an unpaid intern, who made sure that there were no obvious copy issues. I didn't think it was personal - just expressing my annoyance with Booker and his boilerplate 'I <3 Israel' stance. But I never supported him and this just solidifies that.
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greatn posted:Bernie doesn't have hate in his heart like Hillary does. Bernie dislikes the Republicans and strongly disagrees with them. Hillary loving hates them and wants to burn them. This will be an explicit appeal made by the Hillary camp if Bernie gets any kind of surge going in the actual primaries.
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Could we skip over the chat about unelectable people and go back to more talking about Donald Trump?
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amanasleep posted:This will be an explicit appeal made by the Hillary camp if Bernie gets any kind of surge going in the actual primaries. What's this "will be" poo poo? In the first debate she flat out said that republicans are her enemy.
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A Winner is Jew posted:What's this "will be" poo poo? Also that Bernie's political future has anything but defeat ahead.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Only, Grant by all accounts was a decent president that was plagued with having horrible people in his cabinet that kept getting into scandals. Most of the historical bashing of his presidency was done in the 20s by the klan/south and it's stuck ever since then. What I remember from history class is that Grant utterly failed to protect black citizens from Redeemers, and despite his Klan crackdown, similar groups terrorized blacks with impunity. Grant was more than willing to send Federal troops to bust up labor strikes, but he wouldn't send them to protect black voters. There's plenty more. Grant was basically the George W. Bush of the 19th century, except that he wasn't a chickenhawk, and cars didn't exist so he couldn't get DWIs.
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I'll be happy to vote for Hillary despite my distrust of Wall Street because I don't view the financial sector as the biggest threat to to the country right now That title belongs to the GOP - or more specifically the fringe that I they lost control of - and she's the only candidate that I think would be able to put the screws to them I would've loved Bernie in gentler times, but anybody who doesn't come out headhunting is going to get poo poo all done
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Epic High Five posted:I would've loved Bernie in gentler times, but anybody who doesn't come out headhunting is going to get poo poo all done Hillary will not get anything done either. We will get 8 years of gridlock and the right continuing the crazy train. The last two will be the "best" because of Clintroll. Edit: or Hiltroll Edit: Trollary
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Mr Hootington posted:Hillary will not get anything done either. We will get 8 years of gridlock and the right continuing the crazy train. The last two will be the "best" because of Clintroll. Hillary, by being President and able to appoint Supreme Court justices, can roll back some of the incredibly damaging rulings they've made in the past decade as well as avoid the possibility of RBG or Breyer being replaced by a Republican.
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A Winner is Jew posted:What's this "will be" poo poo? Hillary 2016: She will go RodHAM on the GOP.
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evilweasel posted:Hillary, by being President and able to appoint Supreme Court justices, can roll back some of the incredibly damaging rulings they've made in the past decade as well as avoid the possibility of RBG or Breyer being replaced by a Republican. She can also and has said she would, continue to use executive actions where we can't get congress to get off it's rear end.
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evilweasel posted:Hillary, by being President and able to appoint Supreme Court justices, can roll back some of the incredibly damaging rulings they've made in the past decade as well as avoid the possibility of RBG or Breyer being replaced by a Republican. This alone really should be enough to get people off their asses to vote but I imagine most voters barely know what the Supreme Court or the ramifications of its decisions even are. And yes I hope Hillary lays the smackdown on the GOP from the very start. None of this "Oh hi I'm Obama and I trust you are arguing in good faith for 5 whole years GOP!" crap.
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:What I remember from history class is that Grant utterly failed to protect black citizens from Redeemers, and despite his Klan crackdown, similar groups terrorized blacks with impunity. Grant was more than willing to send Federal troops to bust up labor strikes, but he wouldn't send them to protect black voters. Grant's Reconstruction legacy is a bit more complicated than, and you're handwaving just how much he did drop the hammer on the klan considering it didn't recover from his assault on it until the 1920s. Also you're wrong about him not sending federal troops to intervene on the behalf of the freemen: He did so in Virginia during the 1976 election when white southerners tried to block their ballot access, as he had shortly after taking office in 1869 when he sent the troops in once more to restore elected black legislators who'd been expelled from the Georgia state government. I mean yeah the dude was uneven and far less consistent in his defense of black citizens then he should have been, but W hardly. He also didn't sit on his rear end and watch New Orleans wash out to sea, so there's that.
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evilweasel posted:Hillary, by being President and able to appoint Supreme Court justices, can roll back some of the incredibly damaging rulings they've made in the past decade as well as avoid the possibility of RBG or Breyer being replaced by a Republican. Sure after the senate confirms them. If the dems do not take the Senate it won't matter. Recess appointments would be great but I see the future 5-4 (or 5-3 if the justice can not serve of a lawsuit is filed against the appointment) voiding those.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Grant's Reconstruction legacy is a bit more complicated than, and you're handwaving just how much he did drop the hammer on the klan considering it didn't recover from his assault on it until the 1920s. Also you're wrong about him not sending federal troops to intervene on the behalf of the freemen: He did so in Virginia during the 1976 election when white southerners tried to block their ballot access, as he had shortly after taking office in 1869 when he sent the troops in once more to restore elected black legislators who'd been expelled from the Georgia state government. also a major force behind getting the 15th amendment through also important to remember that he was the first president to give even the slightest of a poo poo about native americans
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